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0:00:11.4 Mike Vacanti: Hello, Jordan.


0:00:12.4 Jordan Syatt: What’s up Michael?


0:00:13.4 Mike Vacanti: You’re sleepy today.


0:00:15.3 Jordan Syatt: Bro, Sleepy. J. Sleepy J… ordan.


0:00:18.4 Mike Vacanti: Sleepy Jordan. [laughter] Why are you sleepy? Do you wanna tell everyone?


0:00:24.3 Jordan Syatt: Sleepy Jordan.


0:00:25.4 Mike Vacanti: Do you wanna tell everyone why you’re sleepy?


0:00:27.5 Jordan Syatt: Just a crazy week, man. We went on Mind Pump podcast on Tuesday, so on your birthday, on your birthday, 37 years young.


0:00:39.3 Mike Vacanti: Bro.


0:00:39.5 Jordan Syatt: Went out to Mind Pump.


0:00:40.5 Mike Vacanti: Can I tell you that I was, I don’t know what my expectations were, but those guys are awesome.


0:00:51.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. They’re the best. They’re even like cooler in person.


0:00:54.5 Mike Vacanti: They’re cooler in person, which is not…


0:00:58.4 Jordan Syatt: Pretty.


0:00:58.5 Mike Vacanti: The norm for, like, you get very excited when you see someone who you only know online and then they’re the same thing in person. It’s like, oh, that’s awesome. I’m glad they weren’t a dick in real life and like have this fake online thing. But they were somehow better in person. Like very kind, very generous, very cool. All four of them, like the whole team too. It was awesome.


0:01:18.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, everybody. Everybody was great. And it’s crazy, ’cause like they’re cool online and they’re even cooler in person. Just really nice, genuine dudes. Everyone is great, so.


0:01:29.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yeah, that was really fun.


0:01:30.4 Jordan Syatt: If you don’t listen to Mind Pump, definitely listen to Mind Pump. I mean, you probably know who they are ’cause they’re literally the biggest fitness podcast in the world, but literally it’s not hyperbole. But yeah.


0:01:40.5 Mike Vacanti: That was, I had forgotten, and you reminded me when we were out there that when we started our podcast, I was like, we can’t just talk about fitness and business every single week. Like it needs to be, I don’t know what my exact words were, more fun, more just off the cuff more. And they’re using the first half of the episode to talk about whatever they’re interested in, which is what those guys do, was the model for our podcast.


0:02:09.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yeah. You were like, you know how they do that? Like, that’s what I wanna do. And yeah, they’re just awesome. So it was very also very cool full circle to go on as guests and get to hang with those guys. And if you listen to the episode we did with them, you’ll see like, they were unbelievably generous and like, just focused on us, like really good hosts. Just, yeah. And I think they’re just really focused on giving back to the industry, trying to elevate the industry. Really nice, selfless, great, smart dudes. So it was fun. So I’m exhausted because of that. Went there. And then the next day I flew to LA and I was on another podcast in LA and then I took a red eye back last night. So then we just had a mentorship Q&A right before this. So, yeah, bro. I’m sleepy Jordan.


0:03:00.3 Mike Vacanti: Those were great questions. You’re really leaning into that joke. I’m not gonna give you any more bait on, you just thought of that on the spot too. I saw that. You were pretty, pretty proud of yourself for that one.


0:03:10.2 Jordan Syatt: Well, you just kept calling me sleepy over and over and over again. I had a lot of time to think about it.


0:03:14.5 Mike Vacanti: You kept saying I’m, or you said I’m tired. You kept saying, I’m tired.


0:03:18.4 Jordan Syatt: I didn’t say, I would never say I’m sleepy. I said, I’m tired. And you’re like, you’re pretty sleepy. And I was like, don’t call me sleepy.


0:03:24.4 Mike Vacanti: I thought those were synonyms. I’m fine with calling you tired if you prefer to be called tired. Jordan’s very particular about what people call him, tired. I apologize.


0:03:35.4 Jordan Syatt: Bro. It was so funny this morning where, my daughter is like, more connections are being made like, seemingly like every hour. Like she’s saying new things and she is understanding new things. So this morning she was eating carrots and I said, I was like, carrots are good for your eyes. And so she took the carrots and she like put them on her eyes. Like, she’s like eating them. But it was funny. It was like, it was just like a very literal thing that I didn’t, it never would’ve popped up in my head to think like, oh, I say they’re good for your eyes. So she thinks, oh, if I put them on my eye, it’ll help my eye. Like she was eating them. I was like, yeah, carrots are good for your eyes. Then she puts them on her eye. I lost it. I was like, that was adorable.


0:04:24.5 Mike Vacanti: Very literal and shows you that she might be understanding more than you even knew she was understanding.


0:04:30.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. She absolutely is. For sure.


0:04:32.2 Mike Vacanti: That’s cool.


0:04:33.5 Jordan Syatt: What’s up with you, bro? How are you doing? You’ve been home a couple days. Do you celebrate 37?


0:04:38.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. You know. Yeah. We’re doing family…


0:04:41.3 Jordan Syatt: No, I don’t.


0:04:42.5 Mike Vacanti: Well, I don’t know. Do you, do men over a certain age celebrate their… Yeah.


0:04:46.4 Jordan Syatt: I don’t know. Yeah, you’re going out to dinner this week?


0:04:50.4 Mike Vacanti: We’ll go to my parents’ house tomorrow and my grandparents are in town. And do a little dinner over there.


0:04:56.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Nice. That’ll be good.


0:04:58.2 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, man.


0:05:00.4 Jordan Syatt: Is your mom making like a favorite dessert or something?


0:05:02.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, she, whoever’s birthday gets to pick the meal, so.


0:05:06.2 Jordan Syatt: What’s the meal?


0:05:07.4 Mike Vacanti: We’re doing steak from our cow that we went in on.


0:05:11.3 Jordan Syatt: Oh, yeah. You guys got a cow?


0:05:13.6 Mike Vacanti: Steak and twice baked potatoes with an ice cream cake is my pick.


0:05:19.4 Jordan Syatt: Ooh. Is it ice cream? Like ice cream cake with Oreos on it?


0:05:21.4 Mike Vacanti: Like, probably like a Dairy Queen ice cream cake.


0:05:24.3 Jordan Syatt: Are there Oreos on it?


0:05:25.4 Mike Vacanti: I think there’s the thin layer of Oreos.


0:05:27.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. That’s the best kind of ice cream cake. Like vanilla base with some chocolate in there.


0:05:32.4 Mike Vacanti: Vanilla, chocolate, oreos, little caramel.


0:05:36.2 Jordan Syatt: Nice, dude.


0:05:37.4 Mike Vacanti: Jordan, I cracked the code.


0:05:38.3 Jordan Syatt: Tell me more.


0:05:39.5 Mike Vacanti: I was telling you before the mentorship Q&A, but I literally cracked the code. We need to get flip phones and we need to spend minimum four hours a day outside. Ideally six hours a day in the outdoors.


0:05:55.5 Jordan Syatt: Dude, I’m in. Let’s do it. Should we podcast outdoors from now on?


0:06:00.3 Mike Vacanti: I would love that. I would love that. Yeah.


0:06:02.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Just sounds of nature in the background.


0:06:05.4 Mike Vacanti: I don’t know how that would work. I don’t know if David would be thrilled on tech side.


0:06:08.5 Jordan Syatt: Definitely. Yeah, that’s against like all audio podcasting. Yeah. Yeah. You get a quiet room. No air conditioning. That’s like the worst part with like, when I go to these like intense places, like it’s freaking hot inside because they don’t want the sound, the background noise. So we should just do the opposite. Just go outside, hear the wind and the birds and the animals. Like yeah, I think that’d be good.


0:06:31.5 Mike Vacanti: It would be cool for an episode. I’m okay with because we podcast for one hour a week, so it’s a very small percentage of the week. But for the time that I’m not working, spending way more time outside. Makes sense. And just avoiding consuming short form algorithms at all costs.


0:06:50.3 Jordan Syatt: What do you want to do outside? Just like lie in the grass, walk, exercise. Just, what do you want to do?


0:06:55.4 Mike Vacanti: It doesn’t matter. Probably not lie in the grass, but I haven’t thought this far ahead. I just know that being under fluorescent lights, indoors and air conditioning and comfortable temperatures is suboptimal for my, and probably all humans’ existence.


0:07:12.4 Jordan Syatt: I feel like the more I’m disliking the social media algorithm and the more I’m disliking it and hating it, the more addicted I’m getting to it at the same time. It’s a really bad combination right now.


0:07:29.4 Mike Vacanti: Dude. Same. My screen time is way up, which is why I’m…


0:07:33.5 Jordan Syatt: It’s terrible.


0:07:33.7 Mike Vacanti: Which is why I’m pushing us towards this.


0:07:35.4 Jordan Syatt: And I hate it. Like, I open it and I’m like, oh, stop. Don’t do this. But I just keep scrolling and I’m like, it’s just terrible.


0:07:41.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Cross platform for me at least. Twitter being the worst right now.


0:07:47.4 Jordan Syatt: Oh, yeah. And me is just Instagram. Yeah. It’s bad. Twitter’s terrible.


0:07:51.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. It all is. Unless you’re seeking something out, like these algorithms are not built with our best interest in mind. They’re built to keep us on the platform.


0:08:02.3 Jordan Syatt: Correct.


0:08:02.5 Mike Vacanti: Regardless of what that means for learning or neurotransmitters or how it affects our use of free time or our ability to build habits. Like I don’t even need the science or whatever to tell me that this, and because it’s coming out that that researcher Professor Jonathan Haidt talks about this a lot with kids and smartphones and the negative effects that social media’s directly having on children. I don’t even need the science to know intuitively in my gut, at least n equals one, how bad consuming social media is for me.


0:08:43.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, for everybody.


0:08:43.3 Mike Vacanti: And I know that I have continued to say this. I think for everybody, but I know for a fact, for me. And I continue to say this and then I continue to go back to my phone. So I’m just, I don’t know.


0:08:53.3 Jordan Syatt: It’s the worst.


0:08:53.5 Mike Vacanti: Maybe I’m out of my mind. I’m not really sure, but I’m just, I’m trying to create where there’s smoke, there’s fire of like, all right, get this thing away from me.


0:09:01.4 Jordan Syatt: No, it’s a behavioral addiction.


0:09:04.2 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Correct.


0:09:05.4 Jordan Syatt: 100%. So it’s like, I don’t wanna do this. I don’t wanna be doing, oh, I’m doing it. Oh, I’m doing it. It’s just so easy ’cause it’s always there.


0:09:11.3 Mike Vacanti: That’s why I wanna get rid of it. And I can do a lot on my computer. I can, [laughter] I was gonna say, I can check DMs, like checking DMs is something that I do online.


0:09:22.5 Jordan Syatt: Mike’s always in the DMs. Mike’s always checking his DMs. [laughter] Inbox zero.


0:09:28.5 Mike Vacanti: But, if you want jump on social, you can go to YouTube, you can go to X, you can go to any of these places. All of my work I do on my computer, not on my phone. Like, you maybe can’t because of the level that you’re creating at and creating versus consuming are different and engaging with your audience versus just consuming are different things. So obviously, it’s an incredibly beneficial tool for building a business, but, for maintaining, for main gaining. I don’t think it’s the play. And even you can build a business without being like website focused, email list focused, podcast focused, you can do it without being on social all the time. Or you can just be an absolute unit and somehow create and engage with your audience, but then get out of there and not consume at all. I don’t know anyone who does that, but I would imagine that it’s in the realm of human possibility.


0:10:24.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I don’t know anyone does Gary… I feel like Gary’s good about that. I feel like Gary is good about that.


0:10:28.3 Mike Vacanti: Gary is host.


0:10:29.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. And he just doesn’t consume at all. He just like, get on there, post, he’ll engage and then he’s off, ’cause he’s got so much other shit to do.


0:10:37.3 Mike Vacanti: That’s a great example. Yes, he does. And if he ever does consume, it’s intentional around like market research for what’s happening in the algorithms for someone consuming content.


0:10:50.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Gary’s not like getting stuck in the algorithm and then like looking all this…


0:10:55.3 Mike Vacanti: Searching for three hours.


0:10:55.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Like today I was looking at this account. You ever see the account @kidsgettinghurt?


0:11:00.3 Mike Vacanti: Nope. That’s not…


0:11:02.3 Jordan Syatt: It’s just, it’s funny.


0:11:02.4 Mike Vacanti: Not up my alley.


0:11:02.4 Jordan Syatt: Like all these videos of like kids like getting caught on the Ring camera, like falling or doing something stupid and like, man, I just spent like 15 minutes just watching videos of kids getting hurt and they’re all like fine.


0:11:17.3 Mike Vacanti: Oh, no.


0:11:17.5 Jordan Syatt: It’s not like real life major life changing injuries, but it’s just funny.


0:11:23.5 Mike Vacanti: Man, you’re terrible and horribly unproductive. 15 minutes you spent on there. Like, that’s awful. That’s awful, Jordan.


0:11:28.4 Jordan Syatt: 15 minutes, minutes, you have to take context. 15 minutes of just straight watching kids getting hurt. That’s a lot of kids getting hurt in 15 minutes.


0:11:37.2 Mike Vacanti: That’s true.


0:11:37.6 Jordan Syatt: And it’s just a lot. It was like, oh, okay. I’ve seen enough now. So I wanted kid to get the wind knocked out of him. I was like, all right, that’s enough [laughter]


0:11:46.3 Mike Vacanti: That’s not fun.


0:11:47.4 Jordan Syatt: And the worst part is the comments. There’s one guy who was like, looked like the kid was just trying to get attention and I was like, have you never had the wind knocked out if you? Like it takes a second before you have to do a factory reset and you get the wind knocked out of you. Like you look around for a moment and then all of a sudden you’re like, Ooh, [laughter] like it takes a second before your body catches up. And…


0:12:09.3 Mike Vacanti: Wait, did you reply to the guy?


0:12:11.4 Jordan Syatt: No, no, no, no. I was just like, I didn’t wanna get into debate on that.


0:12:15.4 Mike Vacanti: That would actually be a better use. That would be like dollar 80 strategy of, [laughter] but maybe not the most optimal.


0:12:23.4 Jordan Syatt: No, I don’t. I’ve been good.


0:12:24.3 Mike Vacanti: Instead of going to fitness posts and commenting, Jordan’s arguing about this kid getting the wind knocked up. [laughter] Can you imagine?


0:12:30.4 Jordan Syatt: You fucking idiot. [laughter] No, I’ve been really good with that recently. I haven’t been getting into debates. Like I have been dollar aiding a lot, in terms of whether it’s political posts or even like Gary’s posts. I’ve been on Gary’s posts, just putting in my thoughts and opinions on like current events and topics and it’s been actually great. And when people disagree with me, I don’t go back and forth with them. I just like leave my thought and then piece out. It’s actually been, it’s been my nice doing that.


0:12:58.2 Mike Vacanti: Fun.


0:13:00.5 Jordan Syatt: Fun. That sounds like something that you would not be fun for you. [laughter]


0:13:03.5 Mike Vacanti: No, no. But I know it’s fun for you.


0:13:06.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. [laughter]


0:13:07.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. And it’s way better than just consuming.


0:13:11.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, but consuming. I’ve also been doing that. And you’ve been in your DMs.


0:13:17.4 Mike Vacanti: I went in my DMS briefly last week. You.


0:13:20.5 Jordan Syatt: You zeroed it out.


0:13:21.5 Mike Vacanti: No, I didn’t zero it out. Oh. I scrolled all the way down. And I saw that the last time I replied to any DMs was 85 weeks ago.




0:13:32.3 Mike Vacanti: And then, there’s too much. I poked around a little bit, but no, I didn’t, I’m a very all or nothing mindset around that too. It’s like, okay, if I’m gonna be in here then I need to goose egg and it’s not, wasn’t happening.


0:13:48.4 Jordan Syatt: Goose egg means zeroed out for anyone who doesn’t know what that means.


0:13:51.3 Mike Vacanti: Oh, they know.


0:13:52.5 Jordan Syatt: Okay. Well now they know.


0:13:53.4 Mike Vacanti: Goose egg, zero.


0:13:55.3 Jordan Syatt: Zero.


0:13:55.5 Mike Vacanti: Jordan and I used to goose egg our inboxes.


0:13:57.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Pull all-nighters.


0:13:57.8 Mike Vacanti: I still do.




0:14:03.4 Mike Vacanti: Those were the good old days.


0:14:06.4 Jordan Syatt: That’s how we brought in 2017. Remember we were in a hotel in Florida and we were just like, we’re bringing in New Year.


0:14:15.3 Mike Vacanti: Working.


0:14:15.4 Jordan Syatt: Answering emails. [laughter]


0:14:17.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, working. With a real badge of honor about it too. Like our competitors are out drinking, they’re watching the ball drop there. We really had that Michael Jordan…


0:14:28.3 Jordan Syatt: Anger.


0:14:28.5 Mike Vacanti: And like anger mentality around, it works. But.


0:14:31.5 Jordan Syatt: We kept talking about it too. We were like, no one else is doing this. No one’s working right now.


0:14:36.4 Mike Vacanti: Yes, yes, we did.


0:14:37.4 Jordan Syatt: In between emails. Bro, this is so sick. No one is close, sitting in like, we both have a queen bed to ourselves, bro. No one is doing this right now. We’re grinding. [laughter]


0:14:46.4 Mike Vacanti: Yes. That’s exactly right. And and guess what? I wouldn’t change it for the world. Like I have very fond memories, but not anymore.


0:14:58.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Just hyping each other up. No one’s doing this, man. [laughter]


0:15:07.5 Mike Vacanti: I have noticed a trend in clients who want to lose body fat. But have a real desire for whatever reason to play. Whether it’s like they’re really into a sport that they like to play or like to do. Like I’m not thinking of the kind of person who wants to do extra cardio because they think that it’s gonna help them lose fat and then they end up eating more as a result. Like it’s not that, it’s much more athletics related, but then they’re being, them not seeing the fat loss progress they want to see. And whether it’s like a psychological, well, I did all this activity playing the sport, so I feel like I could eat more, but they’re not, they’re eating more calories than the extra calorie expenditure from the sport. Or in some cases if they’re really, football, basketball, like there are some sports that can take so much out of you that then you’re prioritizing that over your strength training sessions.


0:16:19.5 Mike Vacanti: And so you might be missing more workouts in favor of playing the sport or you’re still going to the gym to workout, but you’re just kind of going through the motions because you’re beat up from playing the sport. Obviously, this isn’t me saying, oh, you can’t do the thing that you love, but there definitely is a level of sacrifice in terms of speed of progress and amount of progress around body comp and fat loss specifically in these instances. And I would say this even applies to like the F45 classes and like the high intensity workout style classes as well, which is an interesting trend.


0:17:03.4 Jordan Syatt: Why would I… I couldn’t agree with that more. I think it makes sense and I think it’s also a good thing, especially like if you’re doing, whether it’s F45 or basketball or playing a sport for a lot of hours. Like it makes sense, even from just a biological, physiological perspective. Like if you’re exerting a lot of energy, you’re gonna end up eating a lot. And I think if you’re getting super, super, super lean, anyone who’s been really, really, really lean knows that your energy is gonna be down and you’re not gonna be able to, if you’re really into that sport, basketball or F45 or whatever, you don’t wanna be tired, like you’re not gonna perform as well. So like, it makes total sense that like even subconsciously they’re going to be eating more in order to fuel their sport.


0:17:49.3 Jordan Syatt: ‘Cause getting too low of a body fat is not gonna benefit them in that activity. And there might be this like, I think especially for the people who are doing the F45 stuff or an exercise class that they really enjoy, they might get frustrated because, well, I’m working so hard, why aren’t I losing fat? Not realizing that they’re eating extra that’s actually fueling their performance in the class, but they’re not making the fat loss progress they want. Whereas the person who’s playing basketball or soccer recreationally or whatever it is, they might be a little bit less focused on the fat loss just because they’re having so much fun playing their sport and like they’re playing super well and like the extra carbs or whatever they’re eating are fueling that extra energy. So, I’m more concerned with why you think I would disagree with something that’s just so blatantly obvious.


0:18:38.6 Mike Vacanti: No, no, no.


0:18:39.3 Jordan Syatt: Like why?


0:18:40.5 Mike Vacanti: I didn’t…


0:18:40.6 Jordan Syatt: Why would I disagree?


0:18:43.9 Mike Vacanti: I didn’t think you would disagree with the physiological concept. I thought you might disagree with the prioritization of fat loss as a primary goal above having fun in those activities.


0:18:56.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, I mean, I think it just depends on the person. Like if their priority is fat loss, then they’re probably gonna have to deal with a little bit of, not as high level performance. And if their priority is fun, then you’re probably not gonna have the best fat loss results. And just makes sense. Again, like, why the fuck would I disagree with that?


0:19:22.3 Mike Vacanti: Jordan’s sleepy. Jordan’s…


0:19:24.4 Jordan Syatt: I’m sleepy and angry.


0:19:26.6 Mike Vacanti: All right, let’s fire up a little Q&A action.


0:19:30.7 Jordan Syatt: All right, here’s a one that you might like. Let’s see. Do you have any tips to pick up heavy dumbbells, 50 pounds plus for flat incline bench press?


0:19:39.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, I sure do.


0:19:41.9 Jordan Syatt: Do it all the time.


0:19:47.3 Mike Vacanti: I would imagine this means how to get them in position on the lift. So this is awkward at first when you’re first figuring it out. With practice it becomes much easier. The way to do this is to grab the dumbbells from the rack. Walk over, sit down at your bench, with the dumbbells in your hands, one dumbbell in each hand. And…


0:20:17.9 Jordan Syatt: Here, do this so people can like, watch on YouTube.


0:20:21.0 Mike Vacanti: Video pods.


0:20:22.6 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. So if you’re not watching on YouTube, go watch on YouTube so you can really show them how to do it. Do you have your bowflex? You have your adjustable DBs?


0:20:30.3 Mike Vacanti: I’m not…


0:20:30.3 Jordan Syatt: You wanna go get them.


0:20:30.3 Mike Vacanti: Here’s my imaginary dumbbells right here, right? So they’re resting on your thighs. And…


0:20:37.3 Jordan Syatt: Here, turn the microphone towards you a little bit, or no?


0:20:40.4 Mike Vacanti: Oh, you can’t hear me?


0:20:41.0 Jordan Syatt: No. There you go. That’s better. David’s gonna hate this. Sorry. Yeah, it’s all good.


0:20:45.5 Mike Vacanti: So I’m holding my dumbbells here. I actually personally do a incline dumbbell press differently than I do a shoulder press, because with a shoulder press, what, you wanna do is you want to use a little bit of, almost like a calf raise momentum to kick the dumbbell up, with a shoulder press I’m doing one arm at a time. Boom, boom.


0:21:05.9 Jordan Syatt: Yep, yep.


0:21:06.2 Mike Vacanti: Right. So you’re using almost like a…


0:21:08.7 Jordan Syatt: Boom, boom.


0:21:09.0 Mike Vacanti: Like a, you’re exploding your leg with a little calf raise to get momentum.


0:21:13.0 Jordan Syatt: Explosive calf raise.


0:21:14.0 Mike Vacanti: As as you curl it up, and to get it in position, with an incline dumbbell press. I’m doing both at the same time. Kind of lean forward a little bit, start to lean back, pop them both up with the explosive calf raise, and then you end up in the bottom of your incline bench, press them up, and then you wanna get your shoulder blades depressed, get them feeling good, get them in position here, get set, take your deep breath, and then you do your first rep. And then getting them out of position is the same thing. So you finish, you’re here and then, well, I actually will bring my legs up and, I’ll bring my legs up and go dumbbells to legs here.


0:21:58.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that.


0:22:00.1 Mike Vacanti: Some people will come to the bottom position and if you’re going very heavy and there’s no one around you, so there’s no risk of like hurting someone else, then you can finish at the bottom of the move and kind of drop them to the side. But if you can, it’s much better etiquette to, you know, get them back to your legs and then you can stand up and rack them. Or you can just set them down on the ground if you’re gonna use them again.


0:22:23.3 Jordan Syatt: That’s the big pet peeve of mine in a busy gym when someone just like throws the dumbbells downs to the side.


0:22:28.3 Mike Vacanti: Same.


0:22:29.4 Jordan Syatt: It’s like, are you stupid? Like, it’s gonna roll and hurt someone. Or like, I’ve seen people do it, with someone literally right next to them. I’m like, you’re an idiot.


0:22:36.6 Mike Vacanti: It could land on someone.


0:22:38.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Easy. Easily. Yeah. So that was good. If you’re not watching the pods on YouTube and you didn’t know how to do that, Mike just gave a great demo. And, do you do the same flat and incline? It’s like the same thing. Pop, pop, simultaneously.


0:22:52.2 Mike Vacanti: There’s so much muscle memory that now I’m trying to think if it’s different on…


0:23:00.0 Jordan Syatt: Flat.


0:23:00.1 Mike Vacanti: Like a 45 degree incline versus a 20 degree incline versus flat. I know for a fact that on my last rep of a flat, I’ll bring my knees up and then I’ll sit up and go dumbbells to legs at the same time. I’m trying to think if I do that on a high incline and if like a 12 rep weight is different than, you know, I can’t really think of any instances where you would be incline dumbbell pressing for less than four reps or five reps. Right?


0:23:35.6 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. You’re not doing like a dumbbell. Right.


0:23:35.7 Mike Vacanti: But just because the ratio of difficulty to get the equipment into position compared to the move, like a barbell incline makes much more sense. If you’re doing a double or triple or flat barbell bench, makes more sense than flat dumbbell bench.


0:23:49.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. If it’s like a, an eight plus repetition range dumbbell is, I’m not as serious about the setup, but if it’s like a four to six rep range, like super heavy, that’s when I’m, I get a little bit more serious, more controlled. And my goal is to try and bring the dumbbells up to the top as quickly as possible. Like once I’m down and flat up, dumbbells have to come up and I don’t count that as my first rep.


0:24:13.6 Mike Vacanti: Correct.


0:24:14.2 Jordan Syatt: That’s just like the starting point is the top. Start, So like that for me is like my ultimate goal. Whether I do one leg at a time, whatever it is, I like get to my back and immediately use momentum to get the dumbbells up to the top and then I initiate that first rep from the top. Whereas if it’s a like a 8, 10, 12 rep plus thing, it’s not as heavy. So it’s not as as serious.


0:24:37.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Good question. Good explanation.


0:24:41.9 Jordan Syatt: Someone always seems to ask me this and it’s not always even the same person, I think, would you rather fight one horse-sized duck or a hundred duck-sized horses? I feel like this should be a no-brainer.


0:24:53.1 Mike Vacanti: I don’t think it’s a no-brainer. This is a very, common question.


0:24:55.5 Jordan Syatt: It’s very common, no brainer.


0:24:57.1 Mike Vacanti: It wouldn’t be this common of a question if it was a no-brainer, unfortunately.


0:25:01.3 Jordan Syatt: Unfortunately, I think a lot of people have no brains.


0:25:04.6 Mike Vacanti: How big does a duck get? No weapons?


0:25:13.1 Jordan Syatt: No weapons. Hand to hand combat, hand to beak, hand to hoof.


0:25:19.1 Mike Vacanti: I would fight the giant duck.


0:25:22.9 Jordan Syatt: Correct. That’s the right answer. That is the no-brainer answer.


0:25:26.3 Mike Vacanti: I don’t think it’s a no-brainer.


0:25:26.3 Jordan Syatt: A hundred duck sized horses. Are you like, that’s just, it’s too many. You’ll be overwhelmed. They can kick you with their hooves, hoofs. It’s just, that’s a no brainer. You can do a one horse size duck. I mean, the duck is relatively uncoordinated. There’s like, you get behind it, it can’t really do anything. It can’t, like you’re good with one horse-sized duck. It might be a little bit challenging, but it’s way more challenging to have a hundred duck sized horses. That’s a lot of fuck, And people like, you’re, most people don’t have the conditioning for a hundred duck sized horses.


0:26:02.0 Mike Vacanti: That’s true. That’s true.


0:26:03.2 Jordan Syatt: Good luck outrunning them.


0:26:03.7 Mike Vacanti: ‘Cause how are you taking them out? Yeah.


0:26:06.9 Jordan Syatt: Like those little buggers are fast. Yeah. Good luck.


0:26:12.5 Mike Vacanti: You just get on that giant duck and choke it out.


0:26:15.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, A hundred percent.


0:26:16.3 Mike Vacanti: This actually, this is wild because I had a dream last night that I was wrestling a panda bear and it was unbelievably strong.


0:26:21.5 Jordan Syatt: Stop.


0:26:22.9 Mike Vacanti: I’m dead serious.


0:26:24.1 Jordan Syatt: You had a dream that you were wrestling a panda bear?


0:26:27.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.


0:26:27.8 Jordan Syatt: How in the hell, I would love to know like, let me google this. What does that mean?


0:26:31.7 Mike Vacanti: Google that.


0:26:35.2 Jordan Syatt: What does it mean if I had a dream that I was wrestling a panda bear? Let’s see what the sages teach us. Dreams have a way of using symbol… Hold on. What do pandas represent in dreams? A panda in your dream represents peace, harmony, and balance. So maybe you are fighting.


0:26:54.6 Mike Vacanti: For peace, harmony and balance.


0:26:55.4 Jordan Syatt: Or maybe you’re fighting against it.


0:27:00.7 Mike Vacanti: Trust me, I’m fighting for it. I’m literally about to throw my cell phone in the garbage and buy a Nokia block and live outside.


0:27:07.6 Jordan Syatt: To dream of being attacked by a bear is an expression of rage or anger. Your anger. This anger is usually associated with a sense of victimization or personal violation by another.


0:27:19.4 Mike Vacanti: That’s not it.


0:27:19.4 Jordan Syatt: Perhaps you’re trapped in an abusive relationship, Michael.


0:27:24.0 Mike Vacanti: That’s not it. Funny, but no.


0:27:29.0 Jordan Syatt: No. And the reason I’m laughing is because it’s just so not accurate at all to you, in the least.


0:27:35.8 Mike Vacanti: No.


0:27:35.9 Jordan Syatt: In your dreams.


0:27:37.8 Mike Vacanti: The original definition makes sense.


0:27:38.0 Jordan Syatt: If you dream of killing a panda, this suggests that your fiercest enemy will experience a loss. You’ll have a good time with family. If you dream of chasing a panda, it means you are a strong and courageous.


0:27:48.2 Mike Vacanti: No, I was in guard and I was holding the panda’s arms so that it couldn’t swing on me. And I was like, man, this thing is strong.


0:28:00.7 Jordan Syatt: Okay, well, good. I love that.


0:28:04.0 Mike Vacanti: I was more trying to neutralize the panda than hurt the panda.


0:28:05.8 Jordan Syatt: Like, do you know how this came about? Did you just drop into a dream in which you were automatically wrestling a panda? Like how did the, like what happened?


0:28:13.2 Mike Vacanti: Dreams are so weird that when I hear other people talk about their dreams, I just want them to stop and talk about something else. So I feel like that’s the same thing that’s going on here, but I’ll appease you for like 30 seconds of this. There was, I got out of the car in my dream and went over to the passenger side and then a panda was trying to get in the driver’s side and like take the car. So I ran around to, like get the panda out of there. And then we were grappling. And then next thing I know, I’m in guard and I’m like holding its limbs, its arms and just thinking, man, this panda’s strong.


0:28:48.0 Jordan Syatt: Dude, this is better. It just gets better and better. You were getting carjacked by a panda.


0:28:54.4 Mike Vacanti: I Don’t think he was gonna steal it. I think he just needed a place to.


0:28:57.4 Jordan Syatt: He just wanted to get in.


0:28:58.8 Mike Vacanti: I think he just wanted to hang out.


0:29:01.2 Jordan Syatt: Hey, hey, get out of the car. And then you’re just in guard.


0:29:03.4 Mike Vacanti: No.


0:29:03.6 Jordan Syatt: Trying to…


0:29:04.5 Mike Vacanti: No, he didn’t tell me to get out. I got out ’cause I had to do something.


0:29:07.1 Jordan Syatt: No, you’re telling him.


0:29:07.2 Mike Vacanti: And he just… Well, yeah, I was wasn’t just gonna let this panda sit in the driver’s seat of a running car.


0:29:13.6 Jordan Syatt: Was anybody else in the car?


0:29:15.5 Mike Vacanti: I feel like my wife was around. Yeah.


0:29:23.4 Jordan Syatt: Were you near your house?


0:29:23.6 Mike Vacanti: I don’t know. And that’s enough. We can move on now.


0:29:26.4 Jordan Syatt: Man, that’s gotta be the title of this podcast. Mike got carjacked by a Panda.


0:29:32.0 Mike Vacanti: I Don’t think that’s the title.


0:29:35.4 Jordan Syatt: I think that you’d be surprised at how interested people would be in this content.


0:29:37.6 Mike Vacanti: Oh, I got something very random that somewhat relates to nutrition. So people hate on Starbucks coffee ’cause it doesn’t taste that good.


0:29:47.3 Jordan Syatt: They do? Okay.


0:29:49.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. They’re like, Starbucks coffee isn’t good coffee. They burn their coffee, which I don’t know that I necessarily love the taste of any coffee I drink it for Its benefit. But for some reason I really don’t like Dunkin’ Donuts. Like haven’t had great experience with Dunkin’ Coffee. And I know it’s an unpopular opinion. I know people really like it and I’ve gotten their iced coffee a couple of times and it never tastes that good. I don’t know if Starbucks just has better syrups and I like the syrups there. Anyway, coming back from San Jose, early morning flight and Dunkin’ was the only place open. So I go there, order an iced coffee and you know, it’s literally 5:00 o’clock in the morning. I don’t want to be eating anything. I don’t want any calories. So I say, do you have sugar free vanilla syrup? Guy’s like, yeah. Yeah, we do. It’s like amazing. Could I do a medium iced coffee with sugar free vanilla syrup and one Splenda please. And it’s like, great. Thank you. Take it. Start walking. Take a sip. Unbelievably sweet.


0:30:48.3 Jordan Syatt: You can tell I didn’t use.


0:30:51.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, I could tell it wasn’t sugar free. Which, you know, they’re busy. It’s a mistake, whatever. But I think this has happened all three times I’ve ever gotten coffee from Dunkin’. So, I don’t know. There’s a reason I don’t color and I look and it says Splenda and then underneath it it says vanilla bean. But there was no SF, there was no sugar free. So I assume it was just regular. There’s no real point to this other than I had a few sips of it and then just got coffee from the flight attendant once I was on my plane and drank that because I didn’t wanna drink seven milligrams of sugar and yeah, with nothing else at 5:00 o’clock in the morning. Like, I don’t know, curious how other people handle those situations. I don’t know if I’m more neurotic than most. I’m sure a lot of people would just drink it anyway.


0:31:35.6 Jordan Syatt: I would’ve went back and be like, Hey bro, like did you do sugar free? ‘Cause you wrote vanilla bean on this.


0:31:41.0 Mike Vacanti: Well.


0:31:41.3 Jordan Syatt: I would’ve been nice about it. I wouldn’t be a dick. I’d be like, Hey, excuse me. Like.


0:31:42.0 Mike Vacanti: Hey, bro.


0:31:46.7 Jordan Syatt: Just, hey, hey bro. Remember when I asked for sugar free? No. But like, I’d be like, Hey man, just outta curiosity, did you happen to use sugar free? ‘Cause it tastes super sweet and it says vanilla bean, and he would be like, oh fuck, I’m sorry. Let me redo that over for you.


0:31:56.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. So as soon as I grabbed the coffee, Gary called and so I was coaching Gary virtually as I was walking to my gate and it Was.


0:32:06.4 Jordan Syatt: And I wouldn’t do that. I wouldn’t do, I wouldn’t interrupt the Gary call for that. Excuse me. But.


0:32:12.8 Mike Vacanti: But it is a, it’s not even like a level of, oh, I don’t want these 200 or 250 calories. It’s, I wasn’t planning on having any food until 10:00 AM and I know how this is gonna make me feel differently than 200 milligrams of caffeine with no sugar with it. Or 200 milligrams of caffeine with 60 grams of sugar with it. Just like, I don’t want that difference in my body.


0:32:39.4 Jordan Syatt: In my body also, I feel like the, there’s a strong nocebo that’ll happen with that where it’s just like, as soon as I taste how sweet that is, I’m just like, this is fucking dessert. Like I have to be in the right mindset to have dessert and like, I don’t want dessert at early in the morning.


0:32:57.0 Mike Vacanti: 5:00 AM.


0:32:58.5 Jordan Syatt: It’s just like, I’m gonna, it’s gonna ruin my day. It’s just like, I don’t want that, like when I have dessert, I wanna actively choose to have dessert and not at 5:00 in the fucking morning and definitely not a coffee. Like that’s not my choice of dessert. I will say, I think it’s actually more of an unpopular opinion to really like Dunkin’ Donuts coffee and I preferred Dunkin’ Donuts coffee over Starbucks and I think it’s just, ’cause that’s what I was brought up with, growing up in Boston, Like Dunkin’ Donuts is everywhere and like that’s what I was brought up with and I had a, it’s funny, I had a Dunkin’ Donuts iced coffee last night before my flight and I hadn’t had a Dunkin’ Donuts iced coffee in dude, I think maybe years. And I was just like, ah, this is so good. Like, I love just like, and I got like the hazelnut iced coffee. It’s what I used to get in high school every day after wrestling practice. It was just like, just real nostalgia. Super good. Yeah.


0:33:52.3 Mike Vacanti: Nostalgia’s powerful.


0:33:55.1 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, it is, super powerful.


0:33:56.1 Mike Vacanti: The thing about Starbucks is they’re unbelievably consistent. Like you can order a head on the app and, I can’t remember the last time that they made a mistake with a drink order. And that level of consistency is appreciated.


0:34:10.2 Jordan Syatt: Starbucks food is legit. The egg white bites that they have at Starbucks are awesome. And by the way, I didn’t know they had it, but now they have egg white bites at Dunkin’. I don’t know which one came first. I think Dunkin’ probably copied, but like I got the egg white bites yesterday at the airport as well. And like, bro, they were legit. They were very good. But Starbucks egg white bites are amazing. Their feta wrap is the spinach feta is so good. And also like the reduced fat turkey bacon sandwiches, like those three are like amazing.


0:34:42.7 Mike Vacanti: They’re all tasty with solid macros. They’re all good on the go fat loss food options or even just like on the go food options if you’re trying to eat something reasonable.


0:34:52.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yeah. They’re super good. It’s funny, we, my daughter loves the Starbucks egg bites and so now like whenever we go buy a Starbucks, she knows the Starbucks logo. As soon as we go buy it, she starts going egg, egg, ’cause that’s where we get the egg bites and like it’s so you can’t see a Starbucks logo without her like pointing, going egg, egg and she immediately wants to go get it.


0:35:14.9 Mike Vacanti: That’s awesome.


0:35:15.9 Jordan Syatt: They’re so good.


0:35:18.4 Mike Vacanti: You know who else loves Dunkin’?


0:35:20.4 Jordan Syatt: Your wife?


0:35:21.2 Mike Vacanti: Nope. You know who absolutely loves Dunkin’ Donuts?


0:35:25.8 Jordan Syatt: Hmm. Gary?


0:35:27.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Gary does like Dunkin’ but no, like, it’s their thing.


0:35:31.6 Jordan Syatt: Dunkin’ is their thing. Do I know this person?


0:35:35.4 Mike Vacanti: Uh-huh.


0:35:35.4 Jordan Syatt: Shoot. Am I gonna be like, oh, I should should’ve known that as soon as you said it.


0:35:41.1 Mike Vacanti: No, no.


0:35:41.8 Jordan Syatt: Ty?


0:35:41.8 Mike Vacanti: You’re gonna be like, I don’t like Dunkin’ anymore.


0:35:46.8 Jordan Syatt: Oh, no. Are you gonna say their name on the pod or no?


0:35:50.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, we’ll bleep it out.


0:35:50.8 Jordan Syatt: Oh, we’ll bleep it out.


0:35:51.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. I’m not gonna.


0:35:52.9 Jordan Syatt: Oh, no, I know.


0:35:55.3 Mike Vacanti: Say it.


0:35:57.5 Jordan Syatt: I know.


0:35:57.9 Mike Vacanti: Say it.


0:35:58.9 Jordan Syatt: Well, you say it ’cause I don’t want to have an accident where it’s not actually bleeped out.


0:36:00.9 Mike Vacanti: It’s bleeped, just, there’s not gonna be an accident.


0:36:03.1 Jordan Syatt: All right, you say it.


0:36:04.0 Mike Vacanti: Say the name.


0:36:05.2 Jordan Syatt: All right, Hold on. Is the first letter of the name [REDACTED]?


0:36:09.4 Mike Vacanti: No.


0:36:09.4 Jordan Syatt: Oh, okay. Bleep that letter out.


0:36:12.6 Mike Vacanti: Wait, who is that? No, [REDACTED].


0:36:21.0 Jordan Syatt: Oh really? That’s his thing?


0:36:22.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.


0:36:23.5 Jordan Syatt: I mean that just makes sense ’cause it’s so good, but yeah. Yeah. That. Interesting. I didn’t realize that was his thing. David, you gotta make sure you bleep all that out.


0:36:35.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Any names right there.


0:36:38.0 Jordan Syatt: Also blur the mouth. People are crazy nowadays.


0:36:39.4 Mike Vacanti: Oh, David knows.


0:36:40.6 Jordan Syatt: They’re like, oh, okay cool.


0:36:42.7 Mike Vacanti: David’s a professional.


0:36:44.3 Jordan Syatt: Man. Interesting. So he talks about that a lot.


0:36:46.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. But people might actually be figuring this out because it’s his thing and he’s blown up. Like there’s investigators right now who, Oh, no…


0:36:56.1 Jordan Syatt: They’re like all we’ve been talking about Dunkin’ a lot.


0:37:00.0 Mike Vacanti: I didn’t know Jordan and bleep had a feud.


0:37:06.3 Jordan Syatt: I think the feud is only known one way because he’s spoken about me recently as though we’re fucking friends, in his content he spoke about me I’m like, dude, why would you say that you acted like we’ve been friends for years, and we haven’t.


0:37:21.5 Mike Vacanti: You have more of like the Michael Jordan like stubbornness to you than I think you know that you have.


0:37:32.6 Jordan Syatt: I believe it. I just didn’t like that he brought me up in a positive light you when we have never had a positive interaction, ever.


0:37:41.9 Mike Vacanti: But I think he thinks you had a, I can’t believe this is all on the podcast. This is completely insane. I don’t know if we should be cutting some of this, but I think he thinks that you guys had a positive interaction and you maybe had like one experience at one time when you were like, screw that guy.


0:38:00.3 Jordan Syatt: No, I think that he saw an opportunity to use my name in that one situation to potentially bolster his image. When we did have interactions I didn’t have like he didn’t see any value in me because I didn’t have an audience at that time, so he felt okay being a dick to me, but now because there’s a potential opportunity for him to fucking like be associated with that name, he like makes it up and we can keep this on the podcast, it’s fine, but we’ll bleep his name out. I don’t want to call him out like that, but.


0:38:32.8 Mike Vacanti: I think that you have a better understanding of the situation than I do.


0:38:38.4 Jordan Syatt: I just don’t like when people treat someone differently because they have an audience versus not, you know, and that’s clearly what was going on there.


0:38:45.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, that’s not a good look in general.


0:38:47.4 Jordan Syatt: But he’s got good taste in Dunkin’. So respect on that front.


0:38:55.9 Mike Vacanti: Are you fully committed to this lifestyle?


0:38:57.9 Jordan Syatt: Dude, I’m fully committed. I’m in. So it has to be four to six hours a day outside.


0:39:04.2 Mike Vacanti: I just feel so much better being outside more. I sleep better at night. Like everything about me is better.


0:39:15.8 Jordan Syatt: What do you do when you’re out there?


0:39:16.7 Mike Vacanti: That’s a great question.


0:39:17.9 Jordan Syatt: Like you specifically, you personally, what have you been doing? I mean.


0:39:21.6 Mike Vacanti: But I don’t… Go, I don’t, I don’t go outside enough. That’s why I want to do this. It’s just at times when it happens, at times when it happens, I feel so good.


0:39:29.7 Jordan Syatt: Are you going to start doing hill sprints on that huge hill that you sent me a picture of?


0:39:33.0 Mike Vacanti: Well, that, I found this amazing nature trail, not too far from my house that I’m ecstatic about. Kind of goes along a river. So I’m definitely going to spend some time there, but I don’t know. You almost have to, I almost want to build an outdoor gym in my backyard and work out out there, but you can only do that for half the year. It still might be worth it, though.


0:39:56.3 Jordan Syatt: Dude, you should absolutely do that, but you could also build like a… You can build an outdoor gym but have it. Have a cover on top. Or you want to be outside Venice Beach type like gym, where there’s no cover, no nothing?


0:40:12.9 Mike Vacanti: I mean, you could put stuff underneath the deck, like there’d be… I would have to do something to protect against the elements, and it wouldn’t be outside year-round, but… I’m speaking more on hypotheticals here and not practical, and maybe I should be speaking more practically, because I don’t know, there are only so many things to do, but I just know that in times I end up outside and whether that means playing basketball outside, playing football outside, as a kid, playing outside, even going to the Minnesota State Fair, you end up walking around taking 15,000 steps, being outside for six, seven, eight hours. There’s something about how you feel at the end of the day when you had a sun on your skin, you got movement and you are breathing more fresh air, you weren’t looking at screens, you weren’t under fluorescent lights, you weren’t like the average distance of what you were looking at wasn’t like one foot to eight feet away from your face, but rather 20, 30, 50 feet away, all of these things make you feel better.


0:41:23.8 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, I think it’s that many combinations, but being outside, walking around moving, you’re also not head down stuck in doomscrolling and that combination is just super powerful, for sure.


0:41:37.2 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, but then even there’s levels, right, so let’s say you’re not doing any doomscrolling, but you’re just inside all day, even if you’re moving around inside, you still feel worse than if you were to same things, but outside.


0:41:50.1 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, for sure.


0:41:51.3 Mike Vacanti: But the way that you need to make money, you need to work, you need to… So there’s a balance. There’s a balance between these things.


0:42:04.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, dude, you’re preaching. I think that you should build outdoor gym.


0:42:07.8 Mike Vacanti: I might have to build an outdoor gym. I’m really not…


0:42:08.5 Jordan Syatt: Get a squat rack, and just keep it outside. And even if it’s raining, just like get the barbell out there. You know, do you know who Ross Enamait is?


0:42:18.7 Mike Vacanti: I don’t know if I know that name.


0:42:23.9 Jordan Syatt: Man, I follow this guy back, I’m like maybe 2014, 2015, and I think he just recently started posting again, after years off.


0:42:26.1 Mike Vacanti: What a legend.


0:42:27.8 Jordan Syatt: Let me check really quick… Dude, this guy, Ross, I think @rosstraining, @rosstraining on Instagram, man, this guy posted… I think he just recently started posting it after many, after years off. This guy is an absolute savage, and he has videos of himself, he goes in the woods and works out in the woods, but it’s not just on a nice weather day, he goes out in the woods in the, like, here, look, he has a chin-up bar in between two trees when it’s snowing outside and he’s just doing chin-ups in the snow, and he gets down, he started doing push-ups. Like this guy is…


0:43:11.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, this guy is living, right. This guy figured it out.


0:43:12.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I just… If you scroll down on his page, he’s doing all the right stuff. This is what I’m imagining you doing, and even like this, he’s out here and he’s doing super heavy carries outside, I don’t know if you can see that.


0:43:33.2 Mike Vacanti: I can.


0:43:34.8 Jordan Syatt: But yeah, this is just like… He has all of these videos doing this stuff, and I absolutely love it, and I feel like this is what you should do, yeah, look, here’s like a picture himself picking up a huge tree stump out in the snow, he just… I don’t know, that makes me think of what you’re talking about, and I completely agree.


0:43:50.2 Mike Vacanti: That’s a great example. I’m following this guy.


0:43:55.3 Jordan Syatt: Really cool dude.


0:43:58.1 Mike Vacanti: So that I can doomscroll and look at his content while I sit inside.


0:44:00.7 Jordan Syatt: Let’s do it, let’s get… Let’s get… Do you have two trees close enough together, you could put a chin-up bar on it, just drill it in there?


0:44:06.4 Mike Vacanti: No, not on my property.


0:44:10.5 Jordan Syatt: Do you have any trees with branches on it that you could do chin-ups on?


0:44:12.6 Mike Vacanti: I’ll have to do an assessment after this.


0:44:15.3 Jordan Syatt: Or a porch like Susan would do? Susan used to do chin-ups on her porch outside when we first started training.


0:44:20.3 Mike Vacanti: I love that. That’s very smart, Susan.


0:44:22.7 Jordan Syatt: In the snow actually, she did it during a snow storm in outside like a blizzard, that’s like Susan.


0:44:28.9 Mike Vacanti: I got a lot of respect for that kind of action.


0:44:35.9 Jordan Syatt: Dude, what’s that? Someone goes, I just saw a video that oatmeal is not good for you from a cardiologist, what are your thoughts? And it’s just fucking infuriating, these social media doctors putting out stupid content like that for likes and clicks.


0:44:49.6 Mike Vacanti: It’s funny. I always wanna give the person the benefit of the doubt and be like, They can’t actually be saying this, this has to be being twisted in some way.


0:45:00.8 Jordan Syatt: Unfortunately, they do it.


0:45:00.9 Mike Vacanti: Unfortunately, there’s actually a cardiologist who thinks that under no circumstances should you be eating oatmeal because oatmeal in and of itself is bad for you. Oh, that’s the reason it’s bad for you?


0:45:12.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, that’s usually what they’re saying.


0:45:14.7 Mike Vacanti: So they think you shouldn’t eat any carbs?


0:45:16.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, it’s funny, like a lot of these doctors who have never been trained in nutrition are being duped by people on social media who are being very reductionist in their views and saying, Oh well, look, here’s this one singular physiological response, which must mean that it’s bad, and so doctors are not trained in nutrition, it’s not, so they’re just as easily duped, maybe even more easily duped, because they have a science background, so they see someone else talking as though they understand the science and they just automatically trust them. It’s funny, doctors who are not trained in nutrition might be more easily doped than someone who has no knowledge whatsoever, because it’s easy to convince them they have a science background.


0:46:04.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, but… Oh, just because of this appeal to authority, like… They see the other person referencing science.


0:46:06.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, they will be like, look, if they see the other person referencing blood sugar and glucose and they think they have it.


0:46:12.5 Mike Vacanti: But you went to that many years of med school, wouldn’t you at least be like, Okay, okay. They’re science backing it. What kind of science? Are there human outcomes? Is this one random mechanistic study, what is the science…


0:46:29.0 Jordan Syatt: You’d hope they would say that.


0:46:32.4 Mike Vacanti: You would hope.


0:46:33.2 Jordan Syatt: You would also hope they would use common sense to say, well…


0:46:34.7 Mike Vacanti: Which makes me think, is this like a one-off of this person being disingenuous, or not even disingenuous, being unethical to get more attention, to make money, or is this like someone who went to a lot of school and is actually kind of an idiot?


0:46:52.6 Jordan Syatt: I think it’s probably more of the latter.


0:46:54.7 Mike Vacanti: Really?


0:46:56.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, ’cause I’ve seen it numerous times from numerous doctors.


0:47:00.4 Jordan Syatt: And there are other doctors who called them out on it and say, You’re an idiot, like, Why are you doing this? You don’t understand this, but I think that these doctors are just getting duped and believing shit that they’re seeing on social media.


0:47:12.8 Mike Vacanti: So, would you argue that that might be more common for people with smaller audiences, but when I see… Maybe the doctors that I see are the ones with bigger… The doctors with horrendously dangerous positions, I would call it, are the ones with bigger audiences, the ones that I’m seeing at least like a… We can bleep this out or not, that [REDACTED] guy. That guy clearly doesn’t believe what he’s saying.


0:47:36.3 Jordan Syatt: You don’t think so?


0:47:37.5 Mike Vacanti: No, I don’t think so. I don’t think so.


0:47:38.5 Jordan Syatt: I don’t know what I hope actually, I don’t know if I hope that he doesn’t believe it, or I guess I hope that he doesn’t believe it, because at least then he would be doing it with good intent, whereas if he actually doesn’t believe it, then that’s just real evil, right? If he truly doesn’t believe it, and he’s still saying the shit that he’s saying, just from either a reputation perspective, money perspective, that’s real evil, whereas if he truly believes it, then at least it’s coming from a place of good intent, but if he also truly believes it then it’s also just stupid, so I don’t know what would be better at this point. Yeah, I just don’t know. I don’t know anyone who’s gotten unhealthy from eating oatmeal or an apple.


0:48:25.8 Mike Vacanti: Like some of the things that people say are, this is the kind of stuff that makes me not want to be on the Internet.


0:48:30.7 Jordan Syatt: Correct, it’s just… Yeah, it’s awful.


0:48:33.2 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, and then there’s like, Well, then, is there a duty to combat this bad information, and there probably is to some degree, but what level of sacrifice do you make in doing that?


0:48:50.6 Jordan Syatt: Like for your own health?


0:48:52.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, do you spend every week, do you dig into the depths of your pain and anger and spend all of your time combating bad science on the Internet at the expense of your own well-being?


0:49:01.0 Jordan Syatt: I feel like that’s like, Layne Norton is making that sacrifice. Layne Norton is just digging into the depths and just fucking battling for the world.


0:49:15.8 Mike Vacanti: Just going to war constantly.


0:49:17.3 Jordan Syatt: Every day.


0:49:17.6 Mike Vacanti: And there’s nobility in that. Absolutely.


0:49:21.3 Jordan Syatt: Correct. Yeah, yeah, Layne is just really bearing the load for all of us right now. That’s one of the reasons…


0:49:26.9 Mike Vacanti: Maybe that’s the right thing to do. Maybe I shouldn’t be… Maybe I shouldn’t be doing pull-ups outside like that Ross guy, maybe I should be making content.


0:49:36.0 Jordan Syatt: I don’t know.


0:49:36.9 Mike Vacanti: Pontificating here on how to become a personal trainer podcast. Here’s what we do know. If you can eat oatmeal and you can eat apples and you’re not gonna die as a result.


0:49:46.0 Jordan Syatt: Not only you’re not gonna die, you’re probably gonna get healthier for eating, eating it, especially relative to what else you could be eating.


0:49:52.4 Mike Vacanti: I just hate the discussion around single foods making you healthier or less healthy, it’s like it’s completely unproductive, it’s so top line, you can do so much click bait with it, but it’s so… It doesn’t actually inform you to what’s going on. It’s like, Okay, Is oatmeal good or bad, I don’t know, what else are you eating, how much oatmeal are you eating, what are you putting in your oatmeal, what does your day-to-day looks like?


0:50:18.9 Jordan Syatt: How fat are you right now?


0:50:19.2 Mike Vacanti: Exactly. How much are you sleeping? How stressed are you? Like there’s so many factors to just be like, X food is bad, fructose.


0:50:27.6 Jordan Syatt: Actually just a new story. And it’s sad, and I wanna be very clear, I’m not happy about this, but I said years ago that the Health at Every Size movement and the body positivity movement, at the extreme end of it, where they’re glorifying obesity and saying that there is nothing wrong with it, that it was gonna lead to real negative effects and people getting sick and potentially dying, and for people now who are at the extreme end of the Health at Every Size movement who are also severely overweight have recently died at a very, very young age, which is super sad.


0:51:01.7 Jordan Syatt: And a huge tragedy. And I think already we’re starting to see the negative effects of that movement of people who are duped and to think, who are being told on social media that there’s nothing wrong with excess levels of adiposity and… Yeah, it’s just easy for people to get duped nowadays, and it’s infuriating.


0:51:27.8 Mike Vacanti: It’s very, very sad for those individuals and their families.


0:51:33.5 Jordan Syatt: And this is I think what we’re gonna see with carnivore.


0:51:35.7 Mike Vacanti: And I wanna disconnect what I’m saying from the story you just told, because I don’t want it to come off as insensitive, but you said it’s easy to get duped. I don’t know that people are duped, like when someone says that you can weigh 500 pounds or you can weigh 170 pounds and there’s no difference on your health, and you choose to believe that you can wait 500 pounds and there’s no difference in your health. I don’t know if you’re getting duped or if you’re doing yourself.


0:52:07.9 Jordan Syatt: It’s a mixture of both. And yeah, there’s a lack of personal responsibility, but there’s also… I don’t think that they would have as easily… They probably wouldn’t have thought that if someone didn’t confirm it for them and someone didn’t say like, Hey, this is okay, and then they bring up studies and they bring up research and they manipulate stuff and they lie about it to make them further dive in and believe and justify their lack of behavior change, I think it’s definitely a little bit of both.


0:52:33.4 Mike Vacanti: And here’s good news, similar to the loud majority or the loud minority that spends time on the internet, I don’t know that I’ve ever met anyone in person in my entire life that genuinely believes what the Health at Every Size movement says. It’s like a…


0:52:47.3 Jordan Syatt: Fringe.


0:52:51.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, very, very fringe.


0:52:52.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, I think they’re spending most of their time inside not actually getting out and speaking with real people.


0:53:01.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, yeah, highly likely.


0:53:05.1 Jordan Syatt: You wanna tell them about the sale coming up?


0:53:05.2 Mike Vacanti: Dude, we have a sale coming up. Why don’t you tell them about the sale coming up.


0:53:08.2 Jordan Syatt: Yes, we do, bro. All right, I’ll tell them about. We got a sale coming up. All right.


0:53:10.8 Mike Vacanti: I can’t sell. All right?


0:53:13.4 Jordan Syatt: Oh yes, you can.


0:53:14.0 Mike Vacanti: I can’t.


0:53:14.9 Jordan Syatt: Yes, you can, give it a shot. Let them know, let them hear it, you tell them about it.


0:53:19.1 Mike Vacanti: We have a sale coming up for the Fitness Business Mentorship, we don’t do sales very often, the last time we did a sale was nine months ago, there’s gonna be… We haven’t fully confirmed, but there’s gonna be a large discount, hundreds of dollars.


0:53:39.8 Mike Vacanti: If you are interested in starting an online fitness business, growing your online fitness business, having a community to help you support this, Having Jordan and I lead the way in telling you what you should do to build your online fitness business because you wanna help more people, because you wanna reach more people, because you want to work a more fulfilling job, then consider signing up for the Fitness Business Mentorship when the sale launches, don’t sign up quite yet; well, you can. But in the next couple of weeks, we’ll be announcing the sale, we are gonna email the list, so if you’re not on our email list, you can sign up in the show notes right now, and we’ll be announcing it here on the podcast, and so if you’re interested in joining the Fitness Business Mentorship, sale coming up soon, and we will let you know exactly when that’s happening.


0:54:32.7 Jordan Syatt: Dude, that was an unbelievable pitch. That was incredible.


0:54:35.8 Mike Vacanti: All right, Dale. All right, don’t Dale me, Dale. All right, Dale.


0:54:37.9 Jordan Syatt: That was incredible. But listen, it’s funny…


0:54:42.1 Mike Vacanti: That was incredible, but I’m actually gonna give my own now.


0:54:46.2 Jordan Syatt: No I just like reiterate ’cause it’s just funny, I just feel like that’s been so long since we’ve done a sale, ’cause we’re just really enjoying where the mentorship is right now, and we’re seeing people make incredible progress and coaches just doing amazing things, working with people from all over the world, building their businesses, and really enjoying the process of becoming a better coach, which is very fun. I think one of the best parts about where the mentorship is right now, we don’t have people in there who are like, I’m a high ticket coach, and no one’s doing shady bullshit, it’s about actually becoming a great coach, being part of a great community of coaches who truly wanna help their clients and be better people and also provide for their family and set themselves up financially in a comfortable and enjoyable way as well, so… I didn’t realize we hadn’t done a sale in so long. And this happens every time, every time, whether I do a sale, we do it for the mentorship or inner circle, people are like, Oh yeah, I’ll wait, I’ll wait, I’ll wait, and then when the sale is over, they’re like, Oh wait.


0:55:43.8 Jordan Syatt: Did I miss the sale? Listen, the sale, we don’t do sales very often, and so listen, we’ve almost not done one for almost a year now, so I don’t know when the next one is gonna be, and by the time you do the next one, just you know the price will be raised again, so if you wanna join then what you can join for now, you won’t be able to join for it the next time you do a sale, so this will be the lowest you could probably ever join for this sale. Make sure you get on the email list, if you want, what do you think if they apply, ’cause if they go to the website now they can apply, but then should we say, We’ll just send out an email when the sale goes, so they can wait to join or should we just wait to apply until the sale goes live? What do you think?


0:56:22.7 Mike Vacanti: I would wait to apply until the sale goes live.


0:56:24.9 Jordan Syatt: Okay, so just wait until the sale goes live, get on the email list so you know when it happens and seriously, don’t be the person who’s like, Oh, they wait and wait and wait and wait. And then the sale is over, and then you miss out. When the sale goes live, just do it immediately, and what I would do when I was younger and I was trying to get in on courses and stuff, as I would set my calendar. I put in my calendar, so it goes live on this day at this time, ’cause they gave me notice and I would join immediately, I wouldn’t wait for the last day and then miss out on it, put it in your date and calendar and get on the email list so you know when it’s time to sign up. This is gonna be the lowest you can never join the mentorship for, and we say that literally every single sale, because after every single sale, we raise the price, so just make sure you know that’s what’s going on. Don’t wait out on it, if you join, we’ll be very happy to have you. To everyone who’s already in the mentorship, we fucking love you, you make our lives infinitely better and yeah, we hope to see you in there.


0:57:19.4 Mike Vacanti: Have a great week. Let’s get after it. We’ll back next Tuesday, see you soon.

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