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0:00:11.9 Mike Vacanti: Hello, Jordan.


0:00:12.7 Jordan Syatt: I just spilled an entire glass of pomegranate juice all over my carpet.


0:00:17.1 Mike Vacanti: No way.


0:00:17.7 Jordan Syatt: Yep.


0:00:18.4 Mike Vacanti: What color is your carpet?


0:00:19.9 Jordan Syatt: I don’t know. White?


0:00:21.5 Mike Vacanti: That’s not ideal.


0:00:22.4 Jordan Syatt: Not ideal, brother. But I’m on this podcast because…


0:00:25.5 Mike Vacanti: Every week.


0:00:26.4 Jordan Syatt: That’s what we do every week. And we just got off the mentorship call, and I was like, all right, I’m gonna go make some tea. Got some hot tea. And I also had a big, nice, fresh glass of pomegranate juice. I was getting ready. I pushed my laptop screen back so I could see, and then I just heard… And my fucking glass went all over the carpet. So now what I figured to would be best is let’s just let the pomegranate juice seep into the fibers of the carpet while I do this podcast so that by the time I’m done, I can try and it’ll make it better. It’ll make it harder, a little bit, back workout…


0:01:04.7 Mike Vacanti: Not easier.


0:01:05.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.


0:01:05.9 Mike Vacanti: I’m almost certain that what you want to do in this situation is get it out immediately. But it’s not my area of expertise. It’s like the…


0:01:13.7 Jordan Syatt: You know what my priority is? My priority is this podcast. My priority is the mentorship.


0:01:18.1 Mike Vacanti: I love that.


0:01:18.9 Jordan Syatt: My priority is getting… Is disseminating phenomenal information with my best friend, Michael Vacanti. And if that means that my carpet takes a little bit of pomegranate juice, so be it.


0:01:31.7 Mike Vacanti: Does anyone know? Your wife? Does anyone know that, or is it just you and me and the listeners that know that there’s pomegranate juice on the carpet?


0:01:39.2 Jordan Syatt: You and I and the listeners are the only ones that know. By the time the listeners hear this, my wife will have known before they know. But as of this moment…


0:01:48.8 Mike Vacanti: As of right now, it’s just us.


0:01:50.7 Jordan Syatt: Just us.


0:01:51.6 Mike Vacanti: Nice.


0:01:52.2 Jordan Syatt: Yep, that’s it.


0:01:53.3 Mike Vacanti: Did you pour yourself a new glass of pomegranate juice?


0:01:55.8 Jordan Syatt: No, because I quickly wanted to get on this podcast. You had texted me saying, where you at? [laughter] And I knew that my time was limited, so I said, you know what? Then I’ll just, I’ll hop on without the pom.


0:02:11.3 Mike Vacanti: With love. After the mentorship, Q&A, I was like… You said, I need a little time. I said, cool, five minutes. You said, seven minutes. I said, great. And then nine minutes had gone by, and I saw something weird happening on the screen where I thought you were trying to join, but you weren’t in, so I just threw you a little, where you at?


0:02:28.1 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, because I had clicked join…


0:02:32.2 Mike Vacanti: And then spilled the pomegranate juice.


0:02:32.3 Jordan Syatt: And then I spilled the pomegranate juice.


0:02:33.9 Mike Vacanti: Such is life sometimes, but I’m very happy with where your priorities lie. We just got off of an absolute banger of a mentorship Q&A.


0:02:42.8 Jordan Syatt: Oh yeah.


0:02:42.9 Mike Vacanti: Answering some phenomenal questions, and now here we are to podcast on a Thursday afternoon.


0:02:49.5 Jordan Syatt: Dude, how are you doing?


0:02:51.2 Mike Vacanti: I’m good. I feel much better. I feel much better now.


0:02:53.4 Jordan Syatt: You have so much schadenfreude for me. You’re like, if I have something bad, you’re like, you take joy in my grief. [laughter]


0:03:02.0 Mike Vacanti: Do you really think that?


0:03:04.8 Jordan Syatt: I know that.


0:03:07.2 Mike Vacanti: And by the way, are we calling spilling juice grief? Is that where you’re at over there?


0:03:12.5 Jordan Syatt: Well, that’s what’s great about it, is it’s not a real major problem. It’s just enough of a grievance to where, like, you can find joy in it. It’s not like if I got cancer, you wouldn’t be happy about it, but, like…


0:03:24.5 Mike Vacanti: Correct.


0:03:25.2 Jordan Syatt: If I spill…


0:03:25.4 Mike Vacanti: I think that’s obvious, I don’t even know that it needs to be stated.


0:03:30.3 Jordan Syatt: [laughter] If I spill juice, it’s enough of a grievance to where you can be like…


0:03:36.3 Mike Vacanti: I don’t think I…


0:03:36.4 Jordan Syatt: I’m in a great mood. [laughter]


0:03:39.8 Mike Vacanti: No. Nope, you’re wrong. You’re wrong. I don’t take any joy in that. None. In fact, I’m actually a little bummed that you’re not currently drinking pomegranate juice, because if you made the decision to go get pomegranate juice, I assumed that was optimal for what you’re trying to accomplish, and now you’re just not drinking it for almost no reason. So, in my mind, I’m like, if you wanted to drink that, you should be drinking it, so you should go get another glass. So I’m actually a little upset about your grief. I’m actually more upset than you are about your grief. So let’s hit pause and go get yourself some pomegranate juice.


0:04:11.0 Jordan Syatt: You want me to go get it?


0:04:11.8 Mike Vacanti: Yes.


0:04:12.4 Jordan Syatt: Okay. All right. I’ll be right back.


0:04:15.9 Mike Vacanti: Let’s see that juice.


0:04:16.8 Jordan Syatt: Dude. I’m back.


0:04:18.6 Mike Vacanti: Beautiful, beautiful. It’s a heart health move you’re making there, right?


0:04:22.7 Jordan Syatt: Yes, sir. Oh, it is delicious, too. Nice and tart. Real good. Thank you for that. Thank you for all this. I guess, you know, the amazing David podcast editor just cut that out. Made it seem like I just did that in the flash of an eye. But…


0:04:38.0 Mike Vacanti: No, but in all seriousness, I’m very happy that you have your pomegranate juice.


0:04:42.6 Jordan Syatt: Dude. Thank you. I appreciate that.


0:04:44.2 Mike Vacanti: The only reason why I’m in a good mood which apparently isn’t allowed these days in communist Texas, is that… Where Jordan resides. Is because when we started the mentorship Q&A, I was ill. I was ill.


0:05:04.6 Jordan Syatt: I forgot about that. I forgot that you were sick.


0:05:06.1 Mike Vacanti: I had a very intense morning. By the way, I’m completely fine. I just. I was way over. I just blew this out of proportion. But basically, I only had 52 minutes to get my leg day in, and it was five lower body exercises and four ab exercises, and I got, like, 90 minutes of volume in, in 52 minutes, and then came straight here for the mentorship Q&A and I thought there was a solid 50-50 chance I was going to throw up during the Q&A.


0:05:34.9 Jordan Syatt: And you didn’t.


0:05:36.2 Mike Vacanti: And now I feel much better.


0:05:37.5 Jordan Syatt: I’m glad. Did you have anything to settle yourself or was it just time, you just needed that time?


0:05:41.7 Mike Vacanti: I think just time. I mean, I did have a Muscle Milk and a Clif bar post workout, kind of into the beginning of the Q&A, but time and water.


0:05:51.6 Jordan Syatt: What were the four ab exercises?


0:05:55.3 Mike Vacanti: I don’t even remember, man. Little activation, a little long lever hollow body to start. Superset it in with…


0:06:03.4 Jordan Syatt: Some calisthenics.


0:06:04.5 Mike Vacanti: Walking lunges. I did a reverse crunch with five second eccentric. Yeah.


0:06:13.5 Jordan Syatt: That’s a tough one.


0:06:14.0 Mike Vacanti: A Russian twist, and then a long lever plank with my arms way out there.


0:06:20.7 Jordan Syatt: Dude, you got some static isometric holds. You’ve got some flexion, you’ve got some transverse plane rotation. You’ve got it all in there. That’s some high quality programming.


0:06:32.2 Mike Vacanti: That’s how I like to program the abdominals, you know, hit them from all angles.


0:06:35.5 Jordan Syatt: No wonder you’re just… You have zero body fat on your abs. You hold zero body fat there.


0:06:41.2 Mike Vacanti: I have just spot reduced it over the years. In fact, that’s one of our primary philosophies, is spot reduction is possible.


0:06:49.5 Jordan Syatt: So funny. Every now and then, there will be someone on social media. I’d say, like, a couple times a year, someone will try and come back and really make a big stink about how, like, well, spot reduction actually does work. And they’ll, like, cite this new study, or it’s like, it’s… And these are… It’s smart people, but it’s like you’re just trying to make content. You’re just trying to make content that people are going to find…


0:07:11.3 Mike Vacanti: Be contrarian.


0:07:12.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. You’re trying to be contrarian. So shut the fuck up.


0:07:14.5 Mike Vacanti: But by the way, I just, I was kidding. I know we didn’t laugh, but I was joking when I said that we’re in favor of spot fat reduction.


0:07:23.2 Jordan Syatt: When did you say that?


0:07:24.3 Mike Vacanti: I don’t know, 30 seconds ago.


0:07:25.5 Jordan Syatt: Oh, yeah, but I thought everyone knew that. Hopefully they know it was a joke.


0:07:28.4 Mike Vacanti: Most people do, but I feel like it’s good to clarify. Just, I want to let everyone in on the joke. Maybe some noobs just stumbled across the How to Become a Personal Trainer podcast. They weren’t aware of that phenomenon and maybe they didn’t know that you need to simply be in a caloric deficit rather than train high volume of a body part to lose body fat that is near the muscle that you are training.


0:07:49.9 Jordan Syatt: HTBPT pod, welcome to the newbies. Welcome back to everyone who’s been listening for a while. We appreciate it.


0:07:56.6 Mike Vacanti: Yes, we do.


0:07:57.1 Jordan Syatt: We appreciate it more than you know.


0:08:00.4 Mike Vacanti: Where should we take this?


0:08:00.6 Jordan Syatt: I’ll let you run the show.


0:08:02.2 Mike Vacanti: I don’t have a lot of preparation, unfortunately, or fortunately.


0:08:06.7 Jordan Syatt: Oh, how about ChatGPT 4.0?


0:08:10.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.


0:08:10.8 Jordan Syatt: How crazy is that? You sent me this video. Explain the video that you sent me. Which, by the way, ever since you sent it to me, I’ve gotten my own videos on it and I was, because I use ChatGPT almost every day, they just messaged me, or messaged me. They just put up a notification when I logged in yesterday, like, hey, do you want to start using ChatGPT 4.0? It’s very cool.


0:08:36.1 Mike Vacanti: You think the new functionality is very cool?


0:08:38.7 Jordan Syatt: Well, it’s funny, it gave me more ideas and like, I started getting tutored in Hebrew on it and it has all different levels, so I go to a little bit of a higher level and it’s just straight up tutoring me very well in Hebrew. I’m like, this is wonderful.


0:08:55.6 Mike Vacanti: The tutoring video was cool. The other video I sent you was of the guy who made the two AIs talk to each other.


0:09:04.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, yeah, yeah.


0:09:05.6 Mike Vacanti: Just, and the… So the AI’s can pick up on video, they can communicate on audio, they can communicate with each other, they can see what’s going on in the room and describe it perfectly and accurately and in detail, and just the speed of the jump, meaning from the last ChatGPT update or OpenAI update to this current one, it feels very fast.


0:09:31.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.


0:09:31.7 Mike Vacanti: In terms of being much more advanced in a very short period of time, coupled with the fact that… Have you listened to Sam Altman talk much?


0:09:44.2 Jordan Syatt: No. You don’t like him?


0:09:45.4 Mike Vacanti: I don’t know him, but he definitely puts me on high alert.


0:09:50.5 Jordan Syatt: Oh, jeez.


0:09:51.0 Mike Vacanti: Listening to some of the stuff he says, and the fact that the company started OpenAI and was a nonprofit originally, and Elon invested like 50 million or something, or donated, not invested. And then they made it. They switched the org structure to a corporation. And so there’s like, then the algorithms weren’t open, they were closed, which they are now. Right? They’re not public information. Just I don’t like such powerful technology being in the hands of very few people, no matter who those people are. Right? And so for that, my, it wasn’t that long ago we were talking about Mike’s one fear of AI robot overlords, but really, that just stems from fear of death. And so if you get past fear of death, then really, you shouldn’t be afraid of anything. But I don’t like the speed and direction of AI, and I know that there are going to be many, many, many positive, good things that come from this technology. I’m just weary about the asymmetric downside, or said differently, the magnitude of potential risks associated with it.


0:11:13.6 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, yeah. Makes total sense. It was pretty crazy that the video where the AI’s are talking to each other and one of them is like, hey, can you describe the room to me? And this AI is just describing. Yeah. So the lighting is like this. There’s a window over here. They’re wearing this colored shirt, and then the other one’s like, well, is it natural lighting? Is it like, what is it? Not from an, and the way they have a full-on conversation and can explain what’s going on in the room is, it’s really crazy. The other thing that I think is among the most crazy of it all, they sound like real humans. They talk like, real, it’s not like this. They don’t talk like this like we would see in the movies. It’s not perfect speech. They do have fumbling over words. They do say things like, um or ah, which is obviously how they’re programmed, but they literally talk and they laugh. Like, she was like, the AI was like, haha, that’s so interesting.


0:12:12.3 Jordan Syatt: That’s funny that you say that. Like, that’s, what a crazy thing to say. I’m like, you sound like a real woman. This is insane. It’s really nuts. And then did you see there was recently someone in a school, I forget, there was some guy who worked at a school who tried to frame the principal of the school for saying racist stuff, but it was AI generated voice. And so this guy tried to get the principal fired for saying something racist, when in reality the guy had never said it. He just generated his voice to say this stuff, and they somehow were able to catch him for making it up, but it’s crazy. Deepfakes are gonna be insane.


0:12:51.2 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. I don’t know what the defense technology against them is or will be, but yes, that’s definitely gonna be a problem that needs to be solved. I deleted Twitter off my phone, like, 25 minutes after I sent you those videos. I started going deeper on it I was like, I don’t wanna know about this. This is making my life substantially worse.


0:13:11.3 Jordan Syatt: What’s gonna be really cool? Someone at some point listening to our podcast will be able to put together a stream of you saying, I deleted Twitter off my phone. I deleted Twitter off my phone. I deleted… Just like over the years.


0:13:24.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. They already can.


0:13:26.7 Jordan Syatt: From all the times that you said it. [laughter]


0:13:30.3 Mike Vacanti: 100%. 100%. I would love to have everyone publicly state the number of times they tried to quit their vices, because I think we all do it. I think I’m just more transparent about it.


0:13:42.4 Jordan Syatt: Dude, you’re super transparent about it.


0:13:44.7 Mike Vacanti: Think about cigarette smokers and the number of times that they try and quit cigarettes.


0:13:48.4 Jordan Syatt: Dude, it’s impossible.


0:13:49.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, that’s perfect timing. Only if you’re on YouTube did you see what Jordan just did there. A little Easter egg. A little Easter egg. Wow. That was fake, by the way. Jordan doesn’t use those.


0:14:00.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, I don’t smoke real cigarettes.


0:14:02.6 Mike Vacanti: Do you guys have door-to-door salespeople in Texas?


0:14:06.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I get them all the time. Someone literally came to our door yesterday and tried to sell us something. And it makes having a Ring camera so nice, because I don’t have to go to the door and I can just talk through the ring camera and say, hey, how’s it going? And the guy was like, “hey, I was just looking at your lawn and…” And I was just like, “no, we’re good. Thanks.” It’s also really nice because if my wife is home alone and someone comes to the door, I can speak through the Ring camera and essentially make them think that I’m home. And so it creates another barrier and a layer of security for my wife if she’s here alone with the baby.


0:14:44.5 Mike Vacanti: That’s a great point. I have a Ring here, but I don’t use it. I don’t have it on my phone. I should get it on my phone.


0:14:50.4 Jordan Syatt: You don’t have it on your phone?


0:14:51.3 Mike Vacanti: No.


0:14:52.1 Jordan Syatt: What do you have it on?


0:14:53.3 Mike Vacanti: I don’t check the Ring. I’m old school, Jordan.


0:14:55.2 Jordan Syatt: You don’t check your… You’re not…


0:14:57.4 Mike Vacanti: I’m a ’90s kid, Jordan. I’m deleting Twitter every other week. I remember like, playing outside from dawn till dusk. I don’t… I’m not a tech guy.


0:15:05.0 Jordan Syatt: I was born in ’91. I’m a ’90s kid. You’re an ’80s kid.


0:15:08.4 Mike Vacanti: Dude, you… It’s debatable, but I would argue that you don’t actually remember the first several years of your life. I know you…


0:15:16.3 Jordan Syatt: I remember.




0:15:22.3 Mike Vacanti: But all right, we’re both ’90s kids. Yeah, I just, I should use it. That’s a technology that would be valuable, especially because these door-to-door salesmen usually like younger kids. That’s what they are. I was gonna say sales boys. I haven’t had any sales boys. That’s good. Yeah, you’re in the middle of something. I’m deep designing client programs. The doorbell rings. I just need to check the Ring. That’s about a mine, because I’m like, “oh, who’s here?” Run upstairs, go answer the door. Like, I don’t know what this is. And then it’s, “oh, hey, how’s it going?” Like, “I’m good.” “How are you?” “Good, good. Where’d you get that… bush?” Like, “I don’t know. It was here when we moved in. What can I help you with, man?” The guy just wanted to… “We wanted to do a little assessment of the amount of energy that you’re da da da da da.” And I was like, “no, no, no, we’re not interested.” He’s like, “oh, I’m not selling anything.” I go, “okay.”


0:16:27.5 Jordan Syatt: Still not interested.


0:16:28.2 Mike Vacanti: I go, no. I was like, “continue.” He’s like, “we want to do a little… We want to research how much energy this is using, because then instead of paying the city, you could just get…” It says solar energy on his shirt. He’s like, “instead of paying the city, you could have these and you could save money and da da da da da.” And I was like, “what would we get?” He’s like, “well, you could get solar panels, and that would allow you to save money, so then you wouldn’t have to pay them, and you’d be saving money.” He kept saying, saving money. I was like, “okay, so where would I get the solar panels?” And he kind of looked at me, I was like, “oh, so you are actually trying to sell me something.” He’s like, “okay, have a good day. See ya.” But just the frequency of solicitors, it’s just wild that they…


0:17:08.2 Jordan Syatt: Dude.


0:17:09.8 Mike Vacanti: It’s like we get annoyed at cold DMing.


0:17:13.6 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.


0:17:13.9 Mike Vacanti: It’s cold DMing on steroids. And what I dislike most about it, other than the intrusiveness, is how ineffective it is as a business strategy.


0:17:26.8 Jordan Syatt: Agreed.


0:17:28.0 Mike Vacanti: Make content about solar panels and your customers will come to you. Don’t go knock on every random door you can on every neighborhood you can find and try to hard sell the person. Unless you’re a 16-year-old boy who’s terrified of talking to girls, and you take the job for three months so you can conquer a social fear and develop that way, that might be the one upside of a job like that. Otherwise, just don’t do it.


0:17:53.6 Jordan Syatt: Dude I was… It’s so funny that you say that. I can’t believe I didn’t tell you this story. I was out in my, I was in my garage working out last week, and I see this tall, lanky boy walking up my driveway, and he goes, “hey, man, I’m really sorry. He’s like, no one will let me use their bathroom, and I really need to use the bathroom,” and I’m not going to say no. So I’m like, “yeah, let’s go in.” So I bring him inside and…


0:18:24.9 Mike Vacanti: Hang on.


0:18:25.0 Jordan Syatt: My wife…


0:18:26.2 Mike Vacanti: If you… Because you knew you could take him, but if you felt like…


0:18:30.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, of course.


0:18:30.2 Mike Vacanti: If you felt like you couldn’t take him, would you have let him?


0:18:32.5 Jordan Syatt: I wouldn’t have let him in. No, absolutely not.


0:18:34.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.


0:18:34.9 Jordan Syatt: And I told my wife, we had a whole conversation around it. I was like, if I’m not home, I don’t care who it is. You don’t let anyone in. Like if they say they need to use the bathroom, absolutely not. The only reason I’m doing this is because I’m here and like, and I’m confident in my ability if something happened. But I walked him inside…


0:18:51.0 Mike Vacanti: Was he in baggy clothes? Like were you thinking…


0:18:54.1 Jordan Syatt: No, he was in like khakis and a button down shirt.


0:18:58.0 Mike Vacanti: Okay. But you were like, there’s… It’s very low probability he has any weapons on him.


0:19:02.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I mean, I looked at him. I looked to see if he was printing. Printing is you can see if their gun is pressing up against their… And his shirt was tucked in. So he couldn’t have had anything in his waistband. He looked like he was a young boy who had like a summer internship type thing.


0:19:18.0 Mike Vacanti: Okay.


0:19:20.4 Jordan Syatt: And I let him in and I walk him in and I like escort him to the bathroom and I stand outside of the bathroom. And I like hear him dropping the most violent diarrhea…




0:19:32.7 Jordan Syatt: You could ever imagine. And I’m like, okay, this kid, this poor kid really needed to use the bathroom. And he went to house to house to house and everyone was saying no. So then he comes out and I walk him back to the doorway. And as we’re in the doorway, he was like… Then he immediately goes, “Hey, so, who’s your internet provider?” And I was… [laughter] He starts trying to sell me on the internet. And I was like, “Man, I’m not interested.” He’s like, “Okay. Okay.” And I walk him back out, lock the door. And I start walking back to the garage. He’s like, “What are you doing in the gym?” I was like, “I’m working on muscle ups.” He was like, “Can I watch?” I was like, “No, man.”




0:20:17.7 Mike Vacanti: No, man.


0:20:18.2 Jordan Syatt: No, man. No, keep going. Then he went to the next house and he kept going. That was his sale… He was on his sales route.


0:20:23.4 Mike Vacanti: Of course. Why else.


0:20:24.0 Jordan Syatt: But he legit had to use the bathroom.


0:20:25.9 Mike Vacanti: Why else would he be in the middle of a suburban neighborhood with no way of using a bathroom? That’s because he was doing door-to-door sales.


0:20:35.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was… And then, yeah. Not good. I felt really bad for him, but I just couldn’t believe the audacity of him trying to sell me after just desecrating my bathroom. [laughter]


0:20:46.5 Mike Vacanti: Why did you feel bad?


0:20:48.6 Jordan Syatt: You know, he’s a young kid. He’s out there in the heat working. He has to use the bathroom super bad and he can’t find a bathroom. He’s worried about shitting his pants. I felt bad for him.


0:21:00.4 Mike Vacanti: I think you’re a nicer person than I am.


0:21:01.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, probably. [laughter]


0:21:03.4 Mike Vacanti: He should have gotten a job at Chick-fil-A. That’s what he should have been doing. Instead of doing door-to-door sales, bothering people, he could have been providing the greatest customer service of all time.


0:21:12.3 Jordan Syatt: High quality.


0:21:14.9 Mike Vacanti: High quality macros and high quality customer service.


0:21:18.1 Jordan Syatt: Dude, I agree. He probably didn’t get the job at Chick-fil-A.


0:21:20.8 Mike Vacanti: I doubt it.


0:21:22.2 Jordan Syatt: He probably applied and they said, “No, you’d be better at door-to-door sales.”


0:21:26.6 Mike Vacanti: It is… Though like not wanting to leave is such an interesting tactic. Well, it reminds me of the six cold email followups. On like their sixth followup, they’re like, it seems like you might not be interested. This is gonna be the last email I’ve sent. It’s like, what makes you think I’m not interested? The fact that you sent me five emails and I didn’t reply and now this is the sixth one?




0:21:44.4 Mike Vacanti: Like, yeah, I’m not interested at all.


0:21:47.0 Jordan Syatt: Why would you think about it just like that?


0:21:51.6 Mike Vacanti: But when they don’t leave. Because this kid also, when it was time and I was closing the door, he tried to spark a new conversation. He’s like, when did you guys move in? The conversation already ended. Now you’re restarting a new conversation.




0:22:05.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, dude, it’s so funny. Now that I’m thinking about it, all these other things are popping in my head. This guy showed up at my door, I don’t know, maybe three weeks ago, four weeks ago. And he literally starts… He’s got a van and it’s like a van covered in pictures of meat, just like different cuts of like steaks. And he’s like, “Hey, when did you move in?” And I was like, “We’ve been here a while.” He’s like, “Really?” Which we haven’t. We’ve only been here a few months. So I was like, “Yeah, we’ve been here a long time.” He’s like, “Oh, interesting. Okay.” He’s like, “Well, I sell meat.” And like, something to the effect of like, “We’re running a huge sale right now. Give you like 30% off if you buy like these steaks right now.” And I was like, “No, man.” And he got the hint pretty quickly.


0:22:51.2 Jordan Syatt: But it is crazy. I didn’t even realize that you don’t get that when you live in an apartment building. You don’t get solicitors coming to your door. Now I understand why all… It’s so funny, because we do walks around my neighborhood. There are a bunch of yard that have signs in it that say no soliciting. And I’m always like, “Why did people put that sign up?” I don’t know. It just, it doesn’t look nice but now I get it. I’m like, “Don’t come to my… ” I might get a sign that says no soliciting now. Might be the way to go.


0:23:18.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, I agree. My perception when I see that sign is, “Oh, that’s weird. That doesn’t look that nice.” That’s…


0:23:24.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.


0:23:25.1 Mike Vacanti: They must be a real angry person. Then in the background I’m like, “I want that sign.”


0:23:28.4 Jordan Syatt: I need that sign.


0:23:29.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yeah.


0:23:32.3 Jordan Syatt: I wish they had a way to do that on Instagram DMs, like, no soliciting. It’s like before you DM me like you come up with this sign, this person has a no soliciting. So if this is soliciting, and then they report you as soliciting, it’s not gonna be good for your account. There’s a way to like to mark someone if they’re soliciting when you don’t want to be solicited.


0:23:50.3 Mike Vacanti: They should. Let’s go, Zuck. Let’s get that product feature up. I had an… Well, actually, no, this wasn’t my thought at all. You had an interesting thought.




0:24:04.4 Jordan Syatt: I had a super… Hold on. What?


0:24:06.8 Mike Vacanti: I had a great idea. No, that was your idea.


0:24:09.6 Jordan Syatt: What was it?


0:24:09.6 Mike Vacanti: But you… Well, so here’s where the conversation… I’m actually gonna change the framing a little bit here. Basically, there’s a lot of discussion in the fitness industry around having a healthy versus an unhealthy relationship with food or exercise.


0:24:34.0 Jordan Syatt: Okay.


0:24:34.0 Mike Vacanti: Which are really good and important conversations.


0:24:38.1 Jordan Syatt: Mm-hmm.


0:24:39.7 Mike Vacanti: And there’s a lot of good content around this and a lot of good ideas being shared.


0:24:43.6 Jordan Syatt: Oh, I know where you’re going with this.


0:24:46.4 Mike Vacanti: And I’m very for it. Something I’ve noticed is the conversation seems to be disproportionately focused on a group that is a minority that leans in one direction versus a group that is a majority that leans in the other direction. And what I mean by that is so much of conversation about having a bad relationship with food is around people who over-restrict food or someone who has a bad relationship with exercise being someone who over-exercises, who never wants to miss a day in the gym, who, even if you’re sick, you still get a two hour workout in, which again, they’re valid and really good points, but they apply to a smaller percentage of the population.


0:25:38.6 Jordan Syatt: Mm-hmm.


0:25:39.7 Mike Vacanti: Whereas, and this is what you brought up about having an unhealthy relationship with exercise. And the first thing that came to your mind, which I thought was amazing was you said, “Oh, someone who never exercises.” Which is brilliant because when… People who work in the fitness industry don’t think of that first and foremost 99% of the time. They think of people who over-exercise. They think of people who over-restrict calories. But really the most unhealthy relationship with exercise is to never… Is to be completely sedentary. Just like the most unhealthy relationship with food is to constantly eat in excess or one of the most unhealthy relationships, forms of an unhealthy relationship with food. It’s interesting. It’s food for thought. And maybe it’s just so obvious that that’s why it doesn’t get discussed, but interesting nonetheless.


0:26:36.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, it is. I think it is obvious. I think one of the reasons probably people talk about it in the fitness industry is because the fitness industry is filled with many people who are that population, who are like… Who are that tiny segment of the population that actually do have that unhealthy relationship with exercise. So they’re often just talking to themselves.


0:27:00.6 Mike Vacanti: Mm-hmm.


0:27:00.8 Jordan Syatt: It is funny. A lot of people on social media, they’ll be like, when a lot of people go on rants, they’re like, “You know what? You need to do more of this.” What they’re really saying is, “I need to do more of this.”


0:27:11.5 Mike Vacanti: Mm-hmm.


0:27:11.8 Jordan Syatt: And like, “You need… ” They’re really just talking to themselves. They’re pepping themselves up. It’s a lot of people giving themselves advice and other people watching.


0:27:19.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, yep. Which is great in that people who are like them can really benefit from that advice. I’ve definitely done that. I mean, I think it’s almost somewhat easy to do because you know yourself so well that you can give yourself good advice and give people like you good advice. But interesting nonetheless that the other side of the unhealthy relationship is under-discussed.


0:27:48.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, agree.


0:27:50.0 Mike Vacanti: Wanna answer some questions?


0:27:50.7 Jordan Syatt: Oh, dude, you’re building a home gym. You want to talk about that?


0:27:54.4 Mike Vacanti: It’s not… It’s unofficial. I’m considering…


0:27:56.7 Jordan Syatt: Oh, it’s official.


0:27:57.9 Mike Vacanti: Well, in some capacity, it’s official. I’m considering just being completely ridiculous and tearing up all of the carpet in my very nice finished like basement where I’m sitting right now and making the entire thing into a home gym.


0:28:14.1 Jordan Syatt: Dude, rip it up. It will be even nicer once it’s ripped up and you have a sick gym in there.


0:28:21.1 Mike Vacanti: It will be for me. That’s for certain.


0:28:23.6 Jordan Syatt: And everyone who uses it.


0:28:25.3 Mike Vacanti: Correct, correct. But maybe not everyone who would ever want to be in this house.


0:28:30.2 Jordan Syatt: Anyone who is ever blessed enough to be in that house would be…


0:28:33.5 Mike Vacanti: I mean, if we sell the… If we sell the house, I mean.


0:28:36.5 Jordan Syatt: Dude, do you know when people look at a house and they see there’s a home gym in it, it immediately raises the value of the house. Immediately.


0:28:45.6 Mike Vacanti: Jordan’s completely making things up right now. But that being said, I actually don’t care about money on the margins like that. This is a little bit of Die With Zero, Bill Perkins approach to, okay, so you can sell your house for a little bit more versus allocate the amount of value and enjoyment you would get over a five or a seven or a 10 or a 12-year window by doing something completely ridiculous like taking an entire floor of your house, removing all of the furniture, ripping up all of the carpet, putting down rubber, and just having a rack and dumbbells up to 120s and a thousand dollars, super fat, low bench to barbell bench on and double cable pulleys and sweet mirrors and sick pump lighting, and yeah. Yeah, it’d be awesome.


0:29:36.8 Jordan Syatt: Doesn’t sound ridiculous at all to me. Sounds like what any rational human being would do in that situation.


0:29:43.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. For us bros, it would be very cool. I like being in a gym setting, so I’m not as motivated to do it, but…


0:29:52.2 Jordan Syatt: You mean like a public gym setting.


0:29:53.7 Mike Vacanti: Yes. Yep.


0:29:55.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.


0:29:55.6 Mike Vacanti: So I’m not as motivated to do it because I enjoy training in the gym. But it would be really cool and a fun project, I think.


0:30:04.2 Jordan Syatt: You know what you don’t like about the public gym setting though, is you don’t like when shit is on the TV that you don’t wanna see.


0:30:13.2 Mike Vacanti: I don’t wanna see anything on the TV.


0:30:15.0 Jordan Syatt: That’s what I’m saying.


0:30:15.6 Mike Vacanti: We’re there to train. We’re not there to get educated about Rachel Maddow’s latest take on whatever.




0:30:24.1 Mike Vacanti: We’re not there to listen to Bill O’Reilly rant about whatever. I don’t know if he’s still on the air. We’re not even there to catch up on who won the game on SportsCenter. We’re there to train.


0:30:40.2 Jordan Syatt: Dude, so at your own place, you’re never even gonna need to worry about that.


0:30:44.5 Mike Vacanti: That’s true. I could just be… Yeah, that’s true.


0:30:46.8 Jordan Syatt: Just in the dungeon. That’s what you could call it. You could call it the dungeon.


0:30:49.7 Mike Vacanti: We’ll see. It’s a big project.


0:30:53.4 Jordan Syatt: Dude.


0:30:53.9 Mike Vacanti: But could be a lot of life enjoyment and gains in ROI.


0:30:58.4 Jordan Syatt: Olympia 2027.


0:31:00.3 Mike Vacanti: I’m never gonna be…


0:31:01.0 Jordan Syatt: Michael Vacanti…


0:31:01.4 Mike Vacanti: I’m never…


0:31:01.8 Jordan Syatt: Graces the stage.


0:31:03.3 Mike Vacanti: I’m never gonna… That’s not actually gonna happen, unfortunately. I’m not willing to use anabolics and I’m not… I just… Even if I… I’m saying that as if that’s the reason that I wouldn’t win. I’m just not that good. I don’t have interest in competitive bodybuilding. I have interest in lifting for strength and a little bit of size and leanness and health without the back end of getting contest ready and being judged by strangers on stage. Like that part of…


0:31:38.4 Jordan Syatt: Wearing a thong.


0:31:39.8 Mike Vacanti: Wearing a thong. That part of it, I’m just not…


0:31:41.7 Jordan Syatt: Would you have done that in your prime? Would you have put a thong on in your prime? In 2016?


0:31:47.4 Mike Vacanti: It wouldn’t have been my first choice of things to do in life. Like I… Yeah, it wouldn’t have been my first choice. Mostly, not because of the thong, but mostly because I don’t want to be 5% body fat. Like that’s…


0:32:01.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.


0:32:02.6 Mike Vacanti: That’s miserable. It really takes a toll on your body.


0:32:05.5 Jordan Syatt: You walk around at 6% body fat, so it wouldn’t be that big of a difference.


0:32:08.6 Mike Vacanti: Just a lie. Just a bold-faced lie and you know it. You know it’s not true. I’m a solid 13 right now.


0:32:15.8 Jordan Syatt: No, you’re not.


0:32:16.7 Mike Vacanti: I am.


0:32:17.3 Jordan Syatt: You are not a solid… No, there’s no way.


0:32:19.3 Mike Vacanti: Twelve. I’ve been…


0:32:21.5 Jordan Syatt: Maybe nine.


0:32:23.0 Mike Vacanti: I’ve been… I’m absolutely not nine. I’ve been eating intentionally and getting 35 hundo in.


0:32:29.7 Jordan Syatt: Good. And you’re lifting heavy, building muscle.


0:32:32.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, right now.


0:32:34.9 Jordan Syatt: All right. Here’s a question.


0:32:35.5 Mike Vacanti: Let’s go.


0:32:36.1 Jordan Syatt: @Al351a, “my partner and I are on two very different fitness levels. How do we train together?”


0:32:45.8 Mike Vacanti: You’re in the same space doing different things.


0:32:49.2 Jordan Syatt: Bingo. You don’t have to do the same thing.


0:32:51.9 Mike Vacanti: And I love that question. I love that you guys want to train together. Al, big Al35.


0:32:58.7 Jordan Syatt: I don’t know.


0:33:00.3 Mike Vacanti: Not big Al. Why did I say big Al?




0:33:04.0 Mike Vacanti: When he said very different training levels, I just pictured Al…


0:33:06.7 Jordan Syatt: Well, I don’t know if it’s a guy. I don’t know if it’s a man or a woman.


0:33:08.8 Mike Vacanti: Oh, it’s like Allison?


0:33:10.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.


0:33:11.4 Mike Vacanti: Okay.


0:33:12.6 Jordan Syatt: I think it’s actually a woman.


0:33:13.5 Mike Vacanti: Oh, I’m sorry. When you said Al, and then he… I pictured a guy named Al, and then he said we’re on very different levels. I was like, oh, Al’s like 268% and pulling like 700, and maybe his partner is just getting started and he wants to… Ali/Allison, I’m sorry. Yeah. You do your own workouts in the same space.


0:33:41.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.


0:33:42.9 Mike Vacanti: You could be doing some super heavy Bulgarian split squats and at the bench over, your partner is doing lighter weight inclined dumbbell bench press.


0:33:56.7 Jordan Syatt: Yep.


0:33:57.4 Mike Vacanti: You can be there to support each other. You can have conversation. Yeah, and bond through that, but you don’t have to be doing the same workouts.


0:34:07.6 Jordan Syatt: Also, there’s something we said for… Like it depends on the couple, right? Some couples, they love to do everything together and it makes their life better and everything they do together. Other couples, they need more space and they need some time apart.


0:34:23.2 Mike Vacanti: Mm-hmm.


0:34:24.9 Jordan Syatt: And just because one of you, whether it’s you or your partner might be a very high fitness level, doesn’t mean that you need to coach them, especially if you don’t want to, right? If that’s just going to… ‘Cause there’s a reason why doctors don’t operate on their family. It’s like your emotions get too… It comes into play too much. It’s like there have been many times where I’ve had… When my wife got pregnant the first time, she used a coach for like in the first couple of trimesters who specializes in that. And also because it not only was it outside of my expertise, but also I think it just made sense for her to work with a woman who had been through this before, and never mind the extra knowledge, I think it just made sense.


0:35:11.7 Jordan Syatt: So if you want to work out together and have the… Coach one another, great. But you can also do it separately and that’s okay too. That for me, especially when I was really young, when I was really young like teenager, and maybe even very early 20s, you have this idea of what relationships are supposed to be like. And I think often people believe, “Yeah, you do everything together. Everything at all the time.” It’s like you don’t have to be together all the time. Right? You can have your own time and own things as well. And if you do want to work out together, awesome. But it doesn’t… You don’t have to do everything together. You can have time to yourself.


0:35:55.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. That’s a great point.


0:35:57.1 Jordan Syatt: Big Al. If you could have one superpower, what would it be?


0:36:03.4 Mike Vacanti: I’d probably time travel.


0:36:05.5 Jordan Syatt: Now, the follow-up question in time travel is, are you there as an observer without having any impact on what happens? Or if you time travel back, are you interacting with the people back then and is it impacting the subsequent future?


0:36:21.8 Mike Vacanti: I don’t know.


0:36:22.8 Jordan Syatt: Well, you got to pick one ’cause it’s pretty… It’s consequential. If you go back and you can interact with people and you can affect the future, that’s a real commitment.


0:36:34.0 Mike Vacanti: Usually with time travel, you can’t interact with the people back then for that exact reason.


0:36:40.7 Jordan Syatt: What do you mean usually? Just like in movies…


0:36:42.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.


0:36:42.9 Jordan Syatt: Or in works of fiction?




0:36:47.0 Mike Vacanti: It also just… It gets too… It gets too confusing for me because then I don’t understand. There’s like multiple versions of reality.


0:36:56.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Which there are parallel universes where just a slightly different decision was made and everything changed as a result of it.


0:37:08.0 Mike Vacanti: Some argue that or there are fictional parallel universes or…


0:37:11.1 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, that’s what I mean.


0:37:12.5 Mike Vacanti: Oh yes, yes. Yeah.


0:37:14.5 Jordan Syatt: I’m not saying definitively there are a few but… [laughter]


0:37:17.7 Mike Vacanti: The way you said… You go, well, as if you were to say like well, you do need to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight. You were like, well there are parallel universes. I was like, oh.


0:37:27.1 Jordan Syatt: Sort of how you were like, well, generally when you time travel. [laughter] You can’t. [laughter] Yeah. Okay.


0:37:37.5 Mike Vacanti: What superpower would you want, Jordan?


0:37:39.3 Jordan Syatt: Wait, wait. One more thing about time travel. Where would be the first time/place that you go?


0:37:44.1 Mike Vacanti: I don’t know.


0:37:45.9 Jordan Syatt: Future or past?


0:37:47.0 Mike Vacanti: Past.


0:37:47.5 Jordan Syatt: Cool.


0:37:48.8 Mike Vacanti: What superpower would you want?


0:37:51.5 Jordan Syatt: Oh man, it’s really tough.


0:37:54.5 Mike Vacanti: You know what? I don’t think I’d want any superpower, but you go ahead.


0:37:56.8 Jordan Syatt: Oh, come on. That’s not the question. You don’t have to… [laughter] You can’t go, I don’t want one. I just want to be me. [laughter] But I get it. Time travel. I think if I could choose one, I would be able to speak any language at any point in time. I just… Any language I could speak it…


0:38:16.0 Mike Vacanti: Dude, we’re there. We’re there.


0:38:18.0 Jordan Syatt: No, we’re not there and I can’t do that.


0:38:20.5 Mike Vacanti: But we’re there.


0:38:23.7 Jordan Syatt: What does that mean we’re there?


0:38:24.4 Mike Vacanti: Didn’t I send you the new ChatGPT 4.0 whatever does that.


0:38:26.5 Jordan Syatt: No, but I don’t want ChatGPT to do it. I want me to do it.


0:38:32.3 Mike Vacanti: Well ChatGPT is saying, sorry, human, I’m gonna do this and you’re not. You don’t get superpowers.


0:38:40.5 Jordan Syatt: The question is about if you could have a superpower.


0:38:43.6 Mike Vacanti: Cool. You can speak any language.


0:38:45.9 Jordan Syatt: Any language.


0:38:46.0 Mike Vacanti: Cool.


0:38:47.7 Jordan Syatt: Any language. Could you just imagine me coming out and just like speaking Punjabi or Mandarin, just like perfectly.


0:38:53.4 Mike Vacanti: I can. I can imagine that.


0:38:56.8 Jordan Syatt: Man, I would love that.


0:39:00.7 Mike Vacanti: There was this translation software is so wild. You speak, you say, “Hey, ChatGPT bot. [laughter] If I’m gonna speak in English and this person is gonna speak in Spanish, please translate anything you hear in Spanish to English, anything you hear in English to Spanish.” And it does it perfectly.


0:39:18.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. It’s crazy. But I wanna be able to do that on my own. Or flight. I’d like to fly.


0:39:24.0 Mike Vacanti: Flight’s cool too.


0:39:25.0 Jordan Syatt: Either one of those. Flight would be super cool. Just at any point be like, you know what? I’m out. Just fly away, see ya.


0:39:31.8 Mike Vacanti: At a very fast… Fly at like 800 miles an hour.


0:39:36.7 Jordan Syatt: I’d like to be able to control it. Like if I wanted to go a nice 30, I could, but if I really…




0:39:47.9 Mike Vacanti: There’s all these cars on the highway like passing Jordan and he’s just doing a cool 30. He’s just 20 feet in the air. Can you imagine?




0:40:01.2 Jordan Syatt: I would like to be able to…


0:40:02.6 Mike Vacanti: Your superpower requests are so reasonable and so like chill. Like I wanna be able to…


0:40:10.3 Jordan Syatt: What do you mean?


0:40:11.5 Mike Vacanti: I just mean they’re… It’s like asking this greedy kid what he wants for Christmas and he wants a million dollars and you’re like I just want a new soccer ball, [laughter] and that’s all you want. And it’s very sweet. Speak any language, you know, fly but I’m fine going 30 miles an hour. It’d just be cool to be up there.


0:40:32.4 Jordan Syatt: [laughter] It would be so cool. But I mean, I would also like to go super fast, but I’m just thinking to enjoy the flight. I don’t need to be there instantly. That’s like teleportation. I just wanna be able to enjoy the flight. And if I wanna like fly to Chick-fil-A real quick for the family, I could just, all right, yeah, I’ll be back in 12 minutes. Boom. Hop over to town, fly, land, boom, come right back. [laughter]


0:41:00.9 Mike Vacanti: How long does it currently take you to get to Chick-fil-A? [laughter] A lot of people are probably listening and they’re like it takes about 12 minutes for me to drive there, pick it up and come back now.




0:41:12.6 Jordan Syatt: It’s not even about the convenience or the speed for me it’s, I don’t know, it’s like the enjoyment of flight.


0:41:21.4 Mike Vacanti: Cool.


0:41:21.5 Jordan Syatt: You know what I mean? It would also be great, like if I wanted to fly across the world at 800 miles an hour, I wouldn’t have to buy an airplane ticket and wait in TSA and dah, dah, dah, dah. But mainly just the day-to-day stuff, quick flights around town.


0:41:36.6 Mike Vacanti: He’s a Mandarin speaking flyer. It’s just… [laughter] What else have we got?


0:41:48.4 Jordan Syatt: Oh, I think you’ll like this one because your dad is super involved, I just started playing pickleball and I’m obsessed. What are your thoughts on the sport?


0:41:55.5 Mike Vacanti: I think that anything that gets people active outdoors, off their phone, moving, enjoying, playing, in a flow state, in a hyper-focused state, if it’s competitive and it’s hard to be thinking about your problems when you’re locked in on this ball flying back and forth. I think that is a net good thing. And the fact that it’s smaller movements, a 70-year-old obviously can perform in pickleball much more easily and at much less risk of injury than they can at the sport of tennis. I think overall it’s a great and wonderful thing. I don’t play much myself and I’m not very good and I don’t love doing things that I’m not…


0:42:50.5 Jordan Syatt: You’re not?


0:42:51.4 Mike Vacanti: Well, I play like someone who’s a decent athlete who’s played four times in his life.


0:42:56.8 Jordan Syatt: Okay. Is your dad really good?


0:43:00.5 Mike Vacanti: He’s an athlete who’s played much more than me. Yeah, he’s good. My dad’s good.


0:43:03.8 Jordan Syatt: You get upset when you lose, you don’t like losing.


0:43:06.2 Mike Vacanti: I don’t like losing. I don’t like losing in classic traditional like pick up basketball. I’ll like get very frustrated and wanna fight someone.


0:43:16.6 Jordan Syatt: Oh, I know. Did we tell the story? Did we tell the story about when I first started here?


0:43:20.8 Mike Vacanti: Probably but we can tell it again.


0:43:23.2 Jordan Syatt: I’ll never forget this. This is crazy. So as some context, I grew up in a house where if I spoke poorly, like rudely to one of my parents, I was in deep shit. Like it was… [laughter]


0:43:38.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, same.


0:43:39.6 Jordan Syatt: It was bad. No, no. I’m not saying you didn’t.


0:43:42.1 Mike Vacanti: Who didn’t?


0:43:42.2 Jordan Syatt: I’m just giving context to my reaction. Did you ever have any friends when you were growing up who when they spoke to their parents, your eyes would get wide? Like, you can talk like that to your mom? You ever have a friend like that?


0:43:53.7 Mike Vacanti: Not really, but I’ve seen content about it, about that joke.


0:43:58.6 Jordan Syatt: My friend David… Like one of my best friends ever, the Russian wrestler, he would speak… And I think his parents are… They came from Russia in their like 20s and 30s. I don’t know, maybe just a difference in culture, but the way he would speak to them, me, my buddy Eli and my buddy Tucker would all listen to David, how he would speak to his parents. We’d be like oh my God, like that is crazy that you speak to them that way. [laughter] That’s nuts. And like I would get nervous hearing it. And so I had just started coaching Gary within what? Was it like within a month when I first started?


0:44:38.7 Mike Vacanti: For sure, because we were in overlap. I was onboarding you.


0:44:42.6 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. So it was within the first month, and Gary, and you and me and Gary’s cousin are playing a game of pickup basketball and then Gary… And we’re all, we’re shoeless, we’re all barefoot on this court. And so Gary’s cousin ends up being like, hey, I’m out. His feet were wrecked.


0:45:03.7 Mike Vacanti: It was me and Jordan. It was me and Jordan against Gary and his cousin.


0:45:07.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, exactly. So then Gary’s cousin leaves, he’s like, his feet get wrecked and like playing barefoot on a basketball court really messes up your feet. And so then now it’s Gary v Mike and I. [laughter] And keep in mind I am very relaxed with this type of… If it’s a game that I am not invested in, I don’t really care about the outcome very much. If it was something like wrestling or ju-jitsu, like yeah, I would’ve been really upset. But like basketball, I’m not a basketball player. I don’t give a shit.


0:45:39.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. I’m largely with you there. I’m largely… Neither you or I are any good at basketball.


0:45:46.7 Jordan Syatt: Correct. And Gary loves basketball and he’s good at basketball. Like Gary is very, very good at it. And scary beats.


0:45:53.2 Mike Vacanti: But it’s still two on one. I almost don’t even want to… We’ll publish this, but I really don’t feel good about publishing this.




0:46:03.5 Jordan Syatt: Gary beats both of us. He…


0:46:04.7 Mike Vacanti: Two on one in basketball.


0:46:06.5 Jordan Syatt: Two on one. Gary beat… And he’s draining shots like from out wide, like he’s not running drives, he’s not driving anything like hitting…


0:46:13.2 Mike Vacanti: He was driving. Dude, that game got physical. [laughter] At least for Gary and I, Jordan was not putting his body on the line. I’ll tell you that.


0:46:20.5 Jordan Syatt: I wasn’t about to freaking like body check Gary like three weeks into coaching him. Like no way. I was like yeah, you score. Go ahead, sir. [laughter] I’m not touching you, man. [laughter]


0:46:31.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. And I was coming off of two years of coaching him, so there’s a difference in relationship dynamic too.


0:46:36.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. So we lose, and the moment that Gary scores the winning point, Mike just storm… Not a word, storms off the court, goes over to the pool house and slams the door…


0:46:54.2 Mike Vacanti: I was pissed.


0:46:55.1 Jordan Syatt: As you walk in. Like slams it. And I’m in that back to watching David speak to his parents. I’m where I’m like, oh my God. And I’m thinking, oh, Gary’s about to get really pissed at Mike. And I look at Gary and Gary just smiles and goes, I respect it. I respect it. He’s upset. He doesn’t like to lose. Like Gary really enjoyed [laughter] that you are so upset. He obviously liked winning more than anything, but he was actually happy to see you upset that you lost. And I was like, man, what did I get myself into? [laughter] This is great.




0:47:30.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yeah. I’ve brought this up to you. I know, I don’t know how much publicly, but it’s weird. The things that people compete over, like high level, lots of dudes like screw with their own mental health over like having more followers, making more money, like stuff that people really compete on at a high level, I mean.


0:47:54.2 Jordan Syatt: You don’t care.


0:47:54.5 Mike Vacanti: I mean, maybe 10 years ago there was a piece of me that did, but I’ve completely divorced myself from it. Whereas if we’re in a physical competition that doesn’t mean anything. Like literally means nothing [laughter] but it’s a physical competition of some kind, I don’t care what it is. Like I’m gonna get really upset if I lose [laughter] and it’s not good. I wish I wasn’t that way, but…


0:48:20.5 Jordan Syatt: That’s so funny. Just like a completely meaningless pickup game.


0:48:24.3 Mike Vacanti: Completely.


0:48:25.4 Jordan Syatt: You get really intense about it. Yeah, yeah.


0:48:26.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. And it makes me, honestly, it makes me not want to play those games because I almost lose…


0:48:31.8 Jordan Syatt: Oh really?


0:48:33.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Because I almost don’t have control over my emotions in those situations.


0:48:38.9 Jordan Syatt: What about when you play your annual golf tournament? Because you’ve won two years in a row, what if you ended up losing? Would that like make you not want to go?


0:48:49.4 Mike Vacanti: No, no, no, no. Because that’s like a bunch of my really good friends that I grew up with. It’s an annual thing. It’s more about hanging out, seeing each other. It’s competitive, but it’s more like kind of trash talking build up to it more… No. In golf it’s just different. Maybe there’s something about it being physical versus non-physical that increases the test levels, but no, that’s not.


0:49:17.4 Jordan Syatt: Got it.


0:49:18.5 Mike Vacanti: All right. Let’s fire up another one.


0:49:19.9 Jordan Syatt: All right, here’s one. How to Become a Personal Trainer podcast. What are your thoughts on knowing when it’s right to rent versus buy a home?


0:49:30.7 Mike Vacanti: Dave Ramsey, by the way, I’ve been getting a lot of Dave Ramsey content, and…


0:49:34.4 Jordan Syatt: I love that. He’s so good.


0:49:34.6 Mike Vacanti: And it’s for sure just confirmation bias that makes me enjoy listening to it because I’m like yep, agreed. That’s 100% right.


0:49:47.2 Jordan Syatt: He’s awesome.


0:49:48.2 Mike Vacanti: He is awesome. You want me to start?


0:49:54.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want you to start.


0:49:56.7 Mike Vacanti: When to rent or buy a home. The first thing that I would say is that you definitely should not buy a home if you’re only planning on living in it for a very short period of time, because there are time costs associated with buying the house, getting moved in, et cetera. And there are financial costs associated with selling the home. So you’re gonna end up paying like, I don’t know, I’ve actually never sold a property, but 5% to 6% in closing costs. Depends what state you’re in. Depends where you are. But there are costs associated with buying and selling. And so…


0:50:42.9 Jordan Syatt: That’s so stupid. If you own the land and you own the house, you now have to pay.


0:50:49.0 Mike Vacanti: Well, you’re paying both the buyer and seller’s real estate agents and they make the process go way smooth.


0:50:55.3 Jordan Syatt: Why?


0:50:57.0 Mike Vacanti: Well, because otherwise they’re not gonna work if no one pays ’em.


0:51:00.5 Jordan Syatt: Oh, yeah, yeah. Got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So that’s the fees. Oh, so the buyer doesn’t have to pay those fees. It’s only the seller that pays those fees.


0:51:08.4 Mike Vacanti: Yes. Seller pays for both the buyer and seller’s agents.


0:51:12.1 Jordan Syatt: Interesting.


0:51:13.1 Mike Vacanti: And so that’s the number one thing. And I would say plan on being in the house for at least seven years. That’s a little more conservative. Other people might say at least five years. But that’s the number one thing when you should rent versus buy. So if you’re planning on moving frequently, if you want more flexibility, if your time is very valuable to you and you don’t want to have this random project where something broke or you don’t want to… The basement got flooded or… When you’re a homeowner, you end up having responsibilities associated with upkeep of the home. Whereas if you’re renting, those responsibilities are gonna fall on the landlord. So that’s something to keep in mind. Like if you’re starting your online fitness business career and you’re in complete grind mode, it would make more sense to be renting because you want to have every waking hour dedicated towards working or as much time as possible. Do you have any thoughts on rent versus buy? We can kind of go back and forth and brainstorm.


0:52:26.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I have a lot of thoughts on rent versus buy. I mean, so one thing that I think is important to keep in mind, and my wife and I have had many conversations about this. For example, right now, obviously we’re not only buying, we’re building a house and we reduced the budget by 50% and I’ve been very staunch on that. This is the budget, we’re not going over it. And she’s like okay, well these are some of the overages. I was like no, no, we’re not going over.


0:52:57.4 Mike Vacanti: Why did you reduce the budget by 50%? And when because presumably you had a budget and then it got reduced.


0:53:06.5 Jordan Syatt: I had a budget and this was the initial budget. And then the architect we were working with kept adding more, kept adding more, kept adding more. And it almost just creeped up like very slowly. One bit at a time, one bit at a time, one bit at a time. And I kept being like… And obviously like as he’s building it up, he’s not saying, hey, this is what the cost is gonna be. He’s just like oh, and we’re gonna add this and we’re gonna add this and we’re gonna add this. So I’m looking at this house, it’s like this house looks freaking amazing. Yeah, of course. Let’s add that. Of course, let’s add that. And then it’s like, hey, where are we at? And it’s double what it was. And this took many months to get here. And I sort of just had like…


0:53:44.9 Mike Vacanti: And is he working on a flat fee or on a percentage of the home?


0:53:48.0 Jordan Syatt: He was working on a percentage of the home. Which is for whatever it’s worth, we fired this guy. We had some issues with him, but the guy we’re working with now is fantastic. But yeah, he kept… It was a process over time of adding more, adding more, adding more, less focus on the price, more focused on well, just how great the house is gonna be. And eventually I just got to a point where I was like, this is completely outrageous. I don’t need this much. I don’t wanna be spending this much on mortgage, none of that. So I called him, I was like we’re reducing it by 50%. Whatever you need to do to get this down, 50%, that’s what we’re doing. Period. End of story. He was not happy about it, but I was like I don’t care. I just…


0:54:24.9 Jordan Syatt: And I’m very glad I made that decision. So now we’re sticking to it. It’s much more appropriate build and budget. But every now and then my wife is like, hey, so here are some overages. And her argument will be, what this does though is this brings up the value of the house. And this is a very common thing that I’ve heard. Oh, well, this will increase the value of your home. And I’ll say, you realize that means nothing for how much money we actually have, right? If we decide to sell it, yes, then that could potentially allow us to sell it for a little bit more, but in the meantime, we’re not seeing anything on that money. And so it’s very easy to convince yourself, oh, this will increase the value. But in terms of how much money is in your bank account and what you can spend, and whether it’s… If you’re building a business and you’re trying to… If you need money to run advertisements or to run prizes or whatever, you don’t have that money. It doesn’t matter.


0:55:21.1 Mike Vacanti: Pay employees, pay a developer.


0:55:23.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Pay whatever. Pay for your insurance. Margo in the mentorship brought up even if you’re self-employed. You have to pay for your own insurance. We spoke about that today in the Q&A, best insurances. Just because it’s increasing the value of your home doesn’t mean that it’s giving you more money. In fact, you’re losing money [laughter] You are actively losing money unless you decide to sell the house, in which case that’s a whole separate process, which can be a real bitch. So I think especially if you’re in that building, grinding phase it makes a lot more sense to rent, have someone else take care of all of the stuff that you… Take care of like all of the fixings and all the things around the house, and take all the extra money that you have, rather than putting it into a down payment, rather than putting it into a mortgage.


0:56:15.7 Jordan Syatt: I would either put that into getting help for your business, whether that’s from a videographer, whether that’s from a video editor, whether that’s from a personal assistant, whether that’s from running advertisements, whether that’s from… There’s so many things you can do or put that money into a high interest savings account, put that money into the stock market. I mean, there are so many things you can do to help your money work for you and to help build your business so that eventually money won’t be an issue. And then you can buy a house that will better suit you. But taking a lot of money, putting in a huge down payment on a house, and then having mortgage payments on top of it takes away from what you can then put into your business. So I think that is the…


0:57:00.1 Mike Vacanti: So if you’re having cash flow issues, don’t put all of your cash into a downpayment.


0:57:07.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. It’s very weird. People often talk about homes as this amazing asset, and it’s like it’s only a monetary asset if you sell it, otherwise you get no money from it.


0:57:20.0 Mike Vacanti: So we’re kind of talking about two different things. We’re talking about liquidity versus solvency and…


0:57:25.3 Jordan Syatt: Yes. Yeah. Yeah.


0:57:27.3 Mike Vacanti: But you’re absolutely right because most people do have cash flow issues. And so if your cash is tied up in your house, you can’t use it. Your net worth is increasing, assuming the value of the house stays the same, we’ll just say over a 10-year window and every mortgage payment you make, the percentage that’s going into the principal of the house is increasing your equity stake in the house. So it builds up and builds up and builds up over time. So when you do sell it, you’re gonna end up getting that money back, but on a cash flow basis, you don’t have that money until you sell the house. And so you can’t do anything with it. So you’re absolutely right that if you’re somewhat strapped for cash, don’t put all of your cash into it.


0:58:09.0 Jordan Syatt: Yes. And then I think one thing people don’t take into consideration when you own the house, when people think about getting all the things fixed, I don’t know, something breaks, the landlord has to fix it. They don’t take into account how much that costs and how much those things add up over time. So maybe you own the house for 10 years, you end up selling it, maybe you make a little bit more than you bought it for, but net-net it might be breaking even based on how much you spent fixing shit up and like how much went into the house, like your sump pump goes, generator goes, like whatever happens, like you might actually end up be breaking closer to even than making more money. I really don’t think most people understand this.


0:58:52.1 Mike Vacanti: I hear that already. So it used to be 10 years ago, let’s say, people were so pro your primary residence as an asset, as a moneymaking asset for you. And now we’re getting more of the pro-renter crowd in the content creation like finance, personal finance space. It’s still pretty black and white to me that if you’re gonna be in the same area for an extended period of time, owning a house is a way better deal than renting. Like over a 30-year window, you’re gonna end up with the entire cost of the house in equity in the house compared to none of it if you’re renting.


0:59:31.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. For 30 years of course.


0:59:34.2 Mike Vacanti: And over a 30-year window, all of your repair, because the longer you… Every month of your mortgage, every mortgage payment, each payment is split between principal, which goes to towards the house and interest. And every month slightly more is going towards principal and slightly less is going towards interest. So later in the mortgage, a higher percentage of each payment is essentially money that you’re gonna get back when you sell the house. And so if we’re comparing being there for six years versus 30 years, like there’s just no way that the upkeep and repairs costs associated with the house over a 30-year window are equal to the value of the house at the end of 30 years. Unless you just completely…


1:00:23.3 Jordan Syatt: That makes sense.


1:00:24.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Which is just… Because it’s this… I see both sides. The whole you need to own a house. It’s a great asset. And like there’s this sense of pride and like you’ve, “made it” if you own a house. And you’re poor, you’re like a loser if you rent, like that mindset is completely incorrect.


1:00:42.5 Mike Vacanti: And I think fewer people have that these days than they used to, but I think the pendulum swung a little too far to like these hyper rich finance gurus talking about how they’re gonna rent forever and how that’s a better financial deal. Maybe it’s a better deal for their lifestyle. If they want hyper-flexibility, if they like moving around a lot, if they really value their time and they don’t wanna be doing any upkeep, if they… For whatever reasons. But for like the average median like 50th percentile in net worth person in the West, like a paid off mortgage is gonna be a substantial portion of your net worth.


1:01:23.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, that makes total sense.


1:01:25.1 Mike Vacanti: So don’t rush into it. And we didn’t even talk about pricing, but if you’ve been listening to this for a while my thoughts around people overextending themselves, consumerism, materialism, people spending more than they have to impress other people, like it’s all just nonsense. It’s gonna set you up for a lifetime of being trapped versus working hard, saving as much as possible, creating that excess in cash and net worth which is gonna give you future freedom and flexibility. Yeah.


1:02:00.9 Jordan Syatt: Yes, sir.


1:02:01.5 Mike Vacanti: Good episode. Thank you very much for listening to the How to Become a Personal Trainer podcast, where every week we spend the whole time talking about how to become a personal trainer like we did.


1:02:11.3 Jordan Syatt: Every second.


1:02:12.9 Mike Vacanti: Every second of every episode. If you enjoyed the episode, please leave a five star review, Spotify, Apple, wherever you’re listening, helps a lot. Smash that YouTube like button. We appreciate you. Every Tuesday. See you next week.


1:02:26.6 Jordan Syatt: See you.

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