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0:00:12.4 Mike Vacanti: Hello Jordan.


0:00:12.9 Jordan Syatt: What’s up Michael?


0:00:14.4 Mike Vacanti: How’s the cut going? You’re looking good. You’re looking a little leaner in the face.


0:00:19.2 Jordan Syatt: No. I’m not. I’m looking the same. I’m looking the same.


0:00:22.4 Mike Vacanti: No.


0:00:22.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. No, I look good. I feel good. I feel good, man. I’ve just cleaned it up a little bit. It’s really, it’s just writing down everything I’m eating and then I’m like, maybe I don’t want that. [laughter] That’s literally it. It’s like maybe I don’t need that extra ice cream bar. [laughter] Yeah.


0:00:43.0 Mike Vacanti: And how do you feel?


0:00:45.4 Jordan Syatt: I feel good, dude. I feel good. I feel the same.


0:00:50.3 Mike Vacanti: I don’t mean like, how do you feel with your progress five days in? I mean, more like, how hungry are you? Are you hungry? Is it easy?


0:00:55.0 Jordan Syatt: No. I’m not hungry at all. No. It’s super easy. I literally, all I’ve been doing is just writing down everything. I’m using my app like to track. So it tells me how many calories, but like, I’m eyeballing.


0:01:07.0 Mike Vacanti: The Inner Circle app?


0:01:09.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yeah. I’m not weighing or measuring, like, instead of just dumping stuff into my bowl, I do like, use a measuring cup sometimes, but like, that’s it. Yeah. It’s easy. It is like I do this four to eight weeks a year, and then the rest of the year I’m pretty chill.


0:01:25.5 Mike Vacanti: If you were coaching a client and they were trying to lose body fat and they weren’t making progress and they said, “I’m writing it down. I’m using a measuring cup once in a while, I don’t weigh my food.”


0:01:41.1 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. If they’re not making progress, then I’m gonna be like, “all right, let’s get your shit together.” The difference is like, I know what to do and it’s not…


0:01:50.7 Mike Vacanti: 100%.


0:01:51.2 Jordan Syatt: But like for a client who’s struggling, yeah. Okay. Let’s buy a food scale off Amazon. Let’s weigh everything for 72 hours and let’s see how we’re doing from there.


0:02:02.4 Mike Vacanti: How much you’re really having.


0:02:04.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yeah.


0:02:05.1 Mike Vacanti: I just didn’t want anyone to misinterpret what you’re doing right now at your level of expertise with oh, I can do Jordan’s doing that. Get rid of my food.


0:02:16.4 Jordan Syatt: That’s what all my clients are doing. Yeah. [laughter] Yeah.


0:02:19.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, yeah. Yeah.


0:02:21.8 Jordan Syatt: How’s your bulk going?


0:02:22.8 Mike Vacanti: It’s going, it’s going good workouts.


0:02:25.9 Jordan Syatt: You just had a lift. How’s your lift?


0:02:28.5 Mike Vacanti: It was good. It was real solid. Solid upper body day. Yeah.


0:02:31.7 Jordan Syatt: Oh, nice. Was it a full upper or was it like a push or a pull? Oh, wow. Are you in a four day week, upper lower, upper lower?


0:02:39.3 Mike Vacanti: I was, I did that for, I either did that for four weeks or five weeks and it’s just too much volume. And it’s too much volume because I like a longer workout. But what I’ve done over the last 10-14 days is kept the upper lower split, but just three days a week. So alternating upper and lower body.


0:03:00.8 Jordan Syatt: Got it.


0:03:02.5 Mike Vacanti: And so in instead of a, like a three to three and a half rest day between hitting the same muscle group on average, it ends up being more like five days between upper body workouts. Give days between lower body workouts.


0:03:13.5 Jordan Syatt: That’s nice. I like that.


0:03:15.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yeah, nothing super noteworthy on that front. I do like the, how it allows me to regulate caffeine better meaning four days versus three days of having pre-workout. I just feel better with three days.


0:03:34.4 Jordan Syatt: What pre-workout are you taking?


0:03:36.4 Mike Vacanti: I’m actually alternating. Today, I did the beet juice plus like a third of a can of Ghost plus quarter scoop of Euphoria pre-workout, which is delicious.


0:03:49.5 Jordan Syatt: Oh, nice. Nice.


0:03:50.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. I think alpha-GPC is probably the compound I feel the most in it psychologically because it is good before something like this before recording. For optimal training performance, I still like just a little bit higher caffeine and less of any of the neural stuff. So a can of C4 that you can get at any gas station, or even a scoop of C4. I enjoy the taste. The artificial sweeteners probably aren’t amazing. Something like Legion would probably be a technically better option, but they have this strawberry Starburst flavor, like the pink Starburst flavored C4 can, it’s delicious.


0:04:30.0 Jordan Syatt: So good. Yeah. I’ve had that. It’s really good. Yeah.


0:04:33.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Man.


0:04:35.7 Jordan Syatt: C4 has very good flavors.


0:04:36.9 Mike Vacanti: They do.


0:04:37.9 Jordan Syatt: They have very, very good flavors. Yeah. Same with Ghost. Ghost has really good flavors too.


0:04:43.8 Mike Vacanti: They do. They do. But that has alpha-GPC in it as well, which I find…


0:04:48.8 Jordan Syatt: Oh does it? Interesting.


0:04:49.0 Mike Vacanti: Not… like, I definitely feel the effects, meaning I feel something different on the day that I take it. And then I feel a deficit of that the next day.


0:05:04.0 Jordan Syatt: Interesting.


0:05:05.5 Mike Vacanti: Versus just having 200 milligrams of caffeine doesn’t do anything the next day. There’s no like, slight hangover.


0:05:12.3 Jordan Syatt: You’re very in tune with that stuff. Like, you’re like very, very aware of how individual substances make you feel. Whereas I think for me, I’m more just like, yeah, I don’t know. Felt good. Like [laughter] I think you’re much more in tune with that than I am.


0:05:29.6 Mike Vacanti: I think so. I think I’m more in tune with that than average. To each their own.


0:05:34.0 Jordan Syatt: What do we got for today?


0:05:34.6 Mike Vacanti: Oh bro. What don’t we have today? We got a mentorship Q AND A after this. We got some really good questions for that. That’s gonna be good.


0:05:43.2 Jordan Syatt: I’m excited for the Mentorship hot seats. We’re doing this new thing in the Mentorship where we, for the… you have to sign up basically once you’re in the Mentorship and you can submit your name to be reviewed. Because every week we do a Mentorship Q and A with everyone who’s in the Mentorship. Not everyone goes to the Q and As. We’d like to see more of you there all the time, but we get a good crew. And I’m sure many of you who don’t are there live or watching the recordings, but…


0:06:14.1 Mike Vacanti: They are. Those recordings get a lot of views. I know they’re unlisted, but they get a lot of views. People are watching them. Not everyone can make it every week, Jordan.


0:06:21.0 Jordan Syatt: I know. I know. I just, I like to see their smiling faces every week.


0:06:25.5 Mike Vacanti: As do I, as do I.


0:06:28.2 Jordan Syatt: We’re doing this thing where we’re gonna pick one person every so often to do it deep dive on that individual’s content, whether it’s their Instagram or their YouTube or whatever it is. There could be their website, their articles where it’s gonna do a hot seat, put that person in a hot seat and review it for everyone in the mentorship, which I think is gonna be, I think people are gonna like it and I think it’s gonna be very helpful.


0:06:50.7 Mike Vacanti: It’s gonna be cool. That’s something that I’ve enjoyed and is just a benefit to small business versus big corporate bureaucratic business, is the ability to be flexible and move and test new things and try things just on a whim. That’s been fun. Similar to just upping the frequency of going from twice a month to every single week Q and As and seeing the positive response to that. It’s fun to tweak. I mean, even in a fitness coaching business, tweaking things to get optimal results to make the product and service even better.


0:07:23.4 Jordan Syatt: It’s one of the things that I think a lot of coaches struggle with to like, I don’t know. They… “can I change my business?” Like, of course you can change your business. It’s your business. You make it if you think there’s a change that needs to be improved, either for a better service to your clients and/or better more organization systemization for you as the owner. For example, I think one very common one is we have online coaches who start out texting with their clients early on. ‘Cause they don’t have many online clients. And then all of a sudden they have 15, 20 plus online clients. They’re all texting them. They’re like, I’m drowning. I wanna take on more, but I’m getting all these texts all the time. You need to make a change and say, hey, listen, I know I’ve done texts before, but it’s gonna be better for you and for me if we move solely to email. So anything related to coaching, please do not text me anymore. It has to be done via email is one of those changes I think a lot of coaches struggle with that it needs to be done for the betterment of everybody. But it’s your business. You decide how it goes. It’s your choice.


0:08:30.9 Mike Vacanti: It’s a great point. And whether it’s improving the service for the client or changing it so that you can be a better coach, whether that means work-life balance, whether that’s related to response times, how you design programs, systems of delivery. We actually have a question today around using a third party app for program design and having some issues with that and wondering how he can make the change to a different type of system. So it’s good to always be trying to improve the back end of your business. And same goes with everything.


0:09:06.0 Jordan Syatt: Dude, I woke up this morning at like, probably like four or so, and I’ve been doing this thing. I don’t like, I don’t know at what point this started, but recently in the middle of the night, I’ll turn over on my stomach and I’m usually more of a side sleeper. And I’ve been on my stomach with both of my arms. So I’m on my belly, both of my arms up, over my head. So like at the top of an overhead press type motion. And my hands were under the pillows. And dude, my left arm, you know when like your arm will fall asleep or something while you’re sleeping?


0:09:44.4 Mike Vacanti: I do.


0:09:45.8 Jordan Syatt: Bro I woke up and my left arm, it’s never been more asleep than it was. It’s more like, it was insane. Like even when it’s fallen asleep before I’ve been able to feel it. I couldn’t feel it. I literally didn’t know where my arm was. I had to take my right arm to find where my left arm was, pull it in. And like, thank God I didn’t break it. Like, I could have tried to prop it up and then it was flopping around like a dead fish. And then I had to just hold it and I could feel the blood rushing back into the arm. I could feel it. It was intense.


0:10:28.0 Mike Vacanti: I can’t tell if you have just never had that full sensation or if I just get it really bad often because what you were describing happens a decent amount.


0:10:39.4 Jordan Syatt: Oh no. That’s never happened to me that bad.


0:10:40.3 Mike Vacanti: You can’t move it. It’s completely numb. Move it, get it in a better position, get blood flow and then it’s numb for a little while and then it’s uncomfortable when you start to get the feeling back.


0:10:51.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Like tingly, like beta-alanine. Oh, it’s very weird. Yeah. I mean, I’ve had it mildly. I’ve never had it where I literally had to find my arm with my other arm. I was like, what the fuck is going on? It felt like I was an amputee. It was crazy.


0:11:06.6 Mike Vacanti: Why are you doing the overhead press in your sleep?


0:11:09.8 Jordan Syatt: I don’t know. I wasn’t actually overhead pressing, obviously, but my arms were over my head.


0:11:14.1 Mike Vacanti: You were doing an asymmetric.


0:11:16.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, I don’t know. I don’t know why it was like that. I don’t remember getting that position. But I’ve woken up a couple nights now or in the mornings face down. And I’ve never been that kind of a sleeper with my arms overhead. I usually just like that side sleep.


0:11:28.2 Mike Vacanti: You like that shortened length overhead, headboard, isometric three-hour hold. Are you holding out on us? Is that the secret to shoulders?


0:11:39.1 Jordan Syatt: It’s definitely not. It definitely doesn’t feel good either. [laughter] I wish I wouldn’t be doing that. I think it’s screwing up my sleep. The whole reason I thought of this is ’cause I’m over here yawning, and I’m like, why am I so tired? I’m like, oh yeah. I was like waking up in these terrible positions.


0:11:53.3 Mike Vacanti: But you don’t notice when you go from side to stomach or do you notice?


0:11:56.2 Jordan Syatt: I don’t notice it until my arm is falling asleep and then I wake up.


0:12:00.2 Mike Vacanti: Well, I hope you can put an end to that.


0:12:02.1 Jordan Syatt: Oh, thank you, man. How’s your sleep been? You are in that optimal positioning?




0:12:07.4 Mike Vacanti: Six pillow solution, bro.


0:12:09.4 Jordan Syatt: 12 pillow solution.


0:12:09.5 Mike Vacanti: Six pillow solution. [laughter]


0:12:13.3 Jordan Syatt: You should sell that book. The six pillow solution.




0:12:15.8 Mike Vacanti: The thing is, it’s not a book. It’d be like a diagram. You’d buy a book…


0:12:18.1 Jordan Syatt: It’d be a clip.


0:12:19.5 Mike Vacanti: It’d be like $25 and then they open it and there’s just a picture.




0:12:25.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, I’ve been sleeping good. I’ve been sleeping good. It’s warmer here. We like to keep the house very cold for sleeping and because it’s gotten warmer, I don’t like to go as cold. We’ll go down to 60-ish 61, 62 in the wintertime.


0:12:44.1 Jordan Syatt: You put the house down to 60 or 61.


0:12:46.9 Mike Vacanti: In the winter.


0:12:48.5 Jordan Syatt: Shut up. Are you serious? Wow.


0:12:50.6 Mike Vacanti: I mean, not just at night and then fireplace. And that’s me.


0:12:58.6 Jordan Syatt: That’s freezing.


0:13:00.7 Mike Vacanti: Turn the heat up to 68 during the day. Yeah. Well, 60 to 68 is optimal. We find that the lower end is good. [laughter] My wife also likes it cold sleeping. This isn’t like a…


0:13:13.4 Jordan Syatt: We find it [laughter]


0:13:20.0 Mike Vacanti: We, we, but because it’s summertime, it’s just so expensive to have my house very cold every single night. So we’ll put it to 65. But I busted out the Chilipad.


0:13:33.1 Jordan Syatt: Oh, nice.


0:13:34.0 Mike Vacanti: So sleep’s been good. To answer your question, to give you more than you asked for. I have something though. I really got something. Shout out Gen Z and I’m gonna tell you why.


0:13:46.8 Jordan Syatt: Oh, I thought you were saying someone named Jen Z. [laughter]


0:13:52.8 Jordan Syatt: It’s like, do I know a Jen Z?


0:13:54.3 Mike Vacanti: Generation Z.




0:13:58.0 Mike Vacanti: So it’s June, it’s June 13th right now recording this. I assume Minnesota High School is out based on the, who I’m seeing in the gym and college has been out for a little while. And it’s busier, because mid-morning is usually dead time, like the least busy time on a weekday in a commercial gym. And there’s a lot more people, these kids, these Gen Z kids are super competent with technique, with gym etiquette, with like being courteous and aware of other people with just like general demeanor and manners in there. I don’t know. I think Gen Z gets dragged a little bit on the internet, but from what I’ve seen recently in person, I’m a big fan of what they’re doing in the commercial gym setting. [laughter],


0:14:51.8 Jordan Syatt: You like the gym based Gen Z population?


0:14:53.6 Mike Vacanti: I do. I like the gym based Gen Z population. And this isn’t just like fit bro either. It’s pretty 50 50 on male female. And it’s a decently wide net in terms of beginner to advanced trainee, let’s just say in all different body types and all different people in there doing their thing. And on the whole really respectful and solid.


0:15:25.3 Jordan Syatt: Is it the mainly they’re respectful in the gym. That’s what you’re mainly taking note of that they’re kind and they’re, hey, good morning. And…


0:15:34.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Even little bits of conversation, like smiling.


0:15:37.4 Jordan Syatt: Would you like me to wipe this down for you, sir?


0:15:38.3 Mike Vacanti: Socially competent. [laughter] Not that exact line. I haven’t heard that one. But that plus not blocking the dumbbell rack, being aware of their positioning in the gym, being aware of how much equipment they’re using, being aware of little things that even older people can easily screw up consistently over their entire gym career. It’s just, it’s cool to see.


0:16:11.9 Jordan Syatt: I like that. They’re aware of how their actions are affecting other people. It’s not like it’s their gym, it’s everyone’s gym and they’re aware. I like that. That’s important.


0:16:19.7 Mike Vacanti: Correct. Thank you for articulating for me. Appreciate that.


0:16:24.6 Jordan Syatt: No, I’m…


0:16:25.7 Mike Vacanti: Yes. No, no. ESTP. I like that.


0:16:27.8 Jordan Syatt: Is that what ESTPs is do?


0:16:28.9 Mike Vacanti: Well, you in particular are very conscious of how a message is received and you’re very good at communicating ideas clearly. Whereas I’m autistic in my delivery.


0:16:44.3 Jordan Syatt: No, you’re not autistic. [laughter] You say you’re a bull in a China shop.




0:16:48.5 Mike Vacanti: That too. That too. In the best possible way. A jacked bull. Okay. What else…


0:16:53.5 Jordan Syatt: It was funny, my dog was lying on my chest either last night or the night before, and it made me think about when you had that sandbag on your chest and you’re like, “oh this just feels so good.” [laughter]


0:17:08.0 Mike Vacanti: It felt incredible.




0:17:12.3 Mike Vacanti: That was incredible.


0:17:13.5 Jordan Syatt: Oh, like 80 pound sandbag just directly on your chest. You’re like, “oh, this feels really comfortable.” You’re like…


0:17:19.1 Mike Vacanti: It might’ve been the most enjoyable sensation of my life. [laughter] I felt so relaxed.




0:17:25.0 Mike Vacanti: Why was that on? It was in your apartment in New York, and you had a little home gym in your apartment. Why did that end up on my chest though? Was I doing, oh, were we doing sandbag pushups with the eight or sandbag, like floor press?


0:17:38.8 Jordan Syatt: I think that you said something about there being something to some people put weighted blankets on themselves and it calms them down, and then you were gonna try it and you put the sandbag on your chest…


0:17:51.6 Mike Vacanti: That could have been.


0:17:53.3 Jordan Syatt: And you’re like, “yeah, see, this feels good to me.” And I remember being like, “that does not feel good to me.” [laughter]


0:18:00.3 Mike Vacanti: That might have been it. That might have been it. I feel like there was a sandbag floor press…


0:18:05.3 Jordan Syatt: I mean, it was a tiny apartment, so like, it was right next to us the whole time, the sandbag. So maybe you were just like, I’ll just take this or maybe, you know what, I think we were doing a circuit with like the bike and the sandbag and everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.


0:18:20.0 Mike Vacanti: ‘Cause I know myself, I wouldn’t have just laid there and put, I would’ve laid there and put a 20 on me, but I wouldn’t have laid there and put an 80 on me, because that would’ve just seemed like too much of a expedition. All right. We got an email. This is too bad. I replied nicely, but this is too bad. But these things happen.


0:18:41.3 Jordan Syatt: Are you just making it seem to be bad when it’s not actually?


0:18:45.7 Mike Vacanti: No, no, it’s not good.


0:18:48.2 Jordan Syatt: Did someone send a bad email?


0:18:50.4 Mike Vacanti: You’ll understand when I read it. “I’m so sad, I ended up investing in a program.” This is someone who I had been going back and forth with a little bit, who we reviewed their application, they were accepted during the sale. “I’m so sad, I ended up investing in a program that is all about being salesy, I wish I would have known. I wish so much I would have invested in your program, I listened to your guys podcast daily, love all your content. I already spent so much money on the current program, so I won’t be able to invest anytime soon. But just curious if you have a sale coming up at all.” And I said, unfortunately, probably not till 2025.


0:19:29.8 Jordan Syatt: Yeah… Sucks.


0:19:33.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.


0:19:34.0 Jordan Syatt: But it might be a good live and learn experience, where it’s like, now you know how you don’t want to be in terms of a coach and a business person. You don’t wanna be super, you see how it’s… How smarmy and slimy it feels.


0:19:51.0 Mike Vacanti: How you don’t wanna run your business. Yeah.


0:19:52.7 Jordan Syatt: Exactly. So it could be a really good learning experience. Like, yeah, it sucks that you won’t have the funds now to join until 2025. God willing, we’re still going to be here, we’re not going anywhere, keep listening to the podcast and we’d love to have you if you do decide to join 2025. But, yeah.


0:20:11.0 Mike Vacanti: Jordan, we’re gonna be here in 2087, okay? You’re gonna be 96, I’m gonna be 100. And we’re gonna be doing weekly uploads.


0:20:19.0 Jordan Syatt: Oh, dude, how did you do that math so freaking fast? That’s insane.


0:20:23.2 Mike Vacanti: ‘Cause I was born in 1987.


0:20:26.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, but you knew how old I was before I knew how old I was gonna be.


0:20:28.5 Mike Vacanti: I know you’re four years younger.




0:20:31.0 Mike Vacanti: You know how to communicate ideas clearly to our podcast audience, and I’m laying there with the sandbag on my chest, we have strengths and weaknesses.


0:20:39.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, yeah. What do you have to say to this person?


0:20:43.4 Mike Vacanti: I already emailed her, it’s just like…


0:20:45.5 Jordan Syatt: Okay.


0:20:46.4 Mike Vacanti: Sorry, that’s too bad.


0:20:48.2 Jordan Syatt: Sucks.


0:20:50.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Well, and there’s… it was a $500 discount, which is a big discount. But it would probably be worth it if three months from now she had the funds and ability and desire to join and didn’t get in at a sale price. Like we have a lot of people sign up not during sales as well so.


0:21:11.0 Jordan Syatt: Correct. Yeah.


0:21:12.3 Mike Vacanti: It’s open enrollment. I had an interesting observation the other day. I played nine holes of golf with my dad, and I haven’t played nine holes of golf in, I don’t know, I wanna say a decade. Like when I play, I play 18 holes.


0:21:32.0 Jordan Syatt: Oh, I was like, “hold on. Yes, you have.” [laughter] Got it, you meant you usually play 18, you don’t just do nine. Okay.


0:21:40.0 Mike Vacanti: Yep, which takes four to five hours and I play every other week in the summer, I don’t know, not once a week, maybe every two weeks. But I was thinking about it, like if you think of weightlifting as a skill and you wanted to improve your skill at weightlifting, what kind of training frequency, duration and intensity would you select? You’d go higher frequency, you’d go shorter duration of each session. You wouldn’t go once every two weeks and lift for four straight hours, you’d go several days per week and this sessions would be 30 to 60 minutes, let’s say. And where would the intensity be if you were… If the most important thing to you was skill development, every set wouldn’t be RPE 10, you’d have some lower intensity sets in there.


0:22:34.5 Mike Vacanti: And when I’m thinking about my golf game over the last decade, I never practice, when I play, I play four to five hours at a time and I play infrequently. And by the back nine, I’m usually quite fatigued and I’m ingraining these patterns and these mechanics that are sloppy and that are bad and ugly and like make me worse at golf. And I’m gonna try something this summer where I play nine holes or even just go hit 20 balls more frequently, maybe once or twice a week and see what that does, because my golf game has been pretty stagnant for a number of years and…


0:23:18.0 Jordan Syatt: That’s smart, that’s smart. Turned you from like a casual golfer, an intermittent golfer, even though you are a golfer, it’ll turn you from like this, yeah, I go once a week or once every other week to being like, oh, no, I go a couple to several times a week. Just like you’re actually skill development, it’s that’s, I like that a lot.


0:23:40.5 Mike Vacanti: Skill development and with close to the same time investment is what my thought process is, rather than four to five hours every two weeks, 60 to 120 minutes more often.


0:23:55.4 Jordan Syatt: Makes total sense.


0:23:56.4 Mike Vacanti: I think there’s something there to being fresh when playing.


0:24:00.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I would imagine just from a practical perspective, the hard part for the average individual would be getting to the course several days per week, right? Where it’s sometimes just going one day a week or once every 10 days for four to five hours might be practically more feasible, when you have to take the time and effort and energy to get to the course, depending on how far away it is from you, blah, blah, blah. But if you have that ability to go several times a week for shorter sessions, that is like a no brainer, that makes so much more sense.


0:24:34.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. It’s unfortunate that most people have jobs that are so strict that no, that our society is set up in a way where…


0:24:45.0 Jordan Syatt: Correct.


0:24:45.8 Mike Vacanti: Where things are where there’s a greater polarization, where it’s more of like a boomer bust, not just with something like this. But if you think of like exposure to the sun, we now know that consistent low dose expo… We don’t know, know, but we basically know that consistent lower dose exposure to the sun isn’t harmful to you, what’s harmful and what’s most carcinogenic is never being in the sun and then going on vacation and being in the sun for 12 hours a day for seven days, and getting just damaging your skin with really bad sunburn. And then going back under fluorescent lights and barely ever being in the sun. Versus like an Epicurean lifestyle where instead of this boomer bust, I’m all focused on work and then I’m all focused on relaxation, you can work a little bit of relaxation in every day. You get 20 or 30 or 40 minutes of sun almost every single day so you’re not burning, you have… I think they’re that like idea can be applied to many things.


0:25:49.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, I like that. Almost like grease the groove with strength training, do something a little bit every day. You don’t have to go to failure, it doesn’t have to be a max effort, you treat it like practice every day and you just focus on technique, getting through the movement and slow and progressive improvements without needing to take it to failure. And there’s a time and a place for going to failure, there’s a time and a place for going really hard and getting fatigued, but that shouldn’t be the majority of your sessions.


0:26:17.0 Mike Vacanti: Correct.


0:26:17.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I like that. You see how tan I am, bro? I’ve been outside every day, sunscreen out there.


0:26:23.5 Mike Vacanti: Dude.


0:26:23.7 Jordan Syatt: I sunscreen pretty hard, I’m a hardcore sunscreener.


0:26:28.0 Mike Vacanti: Are you?


0:26:28.3 Jordan Syatt: I know there’s another big anti-sunscreen movement, but I’m pretty bought into the sunscreen movement, I’m like, I’m pretty much brought in. I’m not on the conspiracy level of sunscreen is bad yet, I think sunscreen is pretty important.


0:26:42.7 Mike Vacanti: Well, sunscreen is bad came from just one ingredient, I believe, Benza… What’s the… Forgot what it’s called? Obviously, Google’s woke AI isn’t gonna tell me.




0:27:08.7 Mike Vacanti: “There are no dangerous ingredients in sunscreen.” Yeah, okay. I know sunscreen is good, but we can have a nuanced discussion here. Benzophenone, Oxybenzone, I don’t remember. There was one, but it was only in a small number of brands of sunscreen, it wasn’t like every single sunscreen contained this compound.


0:27:32.5 Jordan Syatt: I’m pretty bought into sunscreen being good for you. Obviously, anything taken in the extreme is bad, but.


0:27:37.2 Mike Vacanti: Well, and even if some exposure to this compound increases cancer risk, it’s like, yeah, but…


0:27:46.0 Jordan Syatt: Relative to.


0:27:46.3 Mike Vacanti: How much does that getting sunburn and getting too much sun exposure.


0:27:49.8 Jordan Syatt: Correct.


0:27:50.3 Mike Vacanti: Increases cancer risk.


0:27:51.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. If you’re gonna be in the sun, which one would you prefer? The sunscreen risk or the sun risk? And I’ll take the sunscreen risk over the sun risk.


0:28:01.5 Mike Vacanti: My… The way that I apply sunscreen is if I’m going to get it a lot of sun exposure or enough where I would burn, then I’ll put on sunscreen. But if I’m just gonna be outside for 15 minutes, or if I’m only going outside at 5:00 PM or 9:00 AM when the UV index is below three, I’m not worried about putting on sunscreen. I’m also not thinking about sunscreen from the perspective of like, I don’t wanna get wrinkles or any vanity.


0:28:32.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Just health. Yeah.


0:28:32.8 Mike Vacanti: Metrics. Yeah, yeah.


0:28:35.0 Jordan Syatt: I used to like when I was in the Northeast, I was like that.


0:28:38.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. You’re in Texas.


0:28:38.7 Jordan Syatt: Dude, at eight in the morning, we’re going on family walks and we’re going at eight mainly because it gets hot so fast, at eight it’s like 95 degrees even for a 15 minute walk I’m like, I’m putting this sunscreen on. It’s pretty crazy and it’s weird here because it’s like the peak UV is around and don’t… I might be wrong, I’m almost positive it’s around between like 3:00 to 5:00, that’s the most sun, the most heat is like 3:00 to 5:00 PM. It’s very odd, but yeah, it just seems to like just pick up, pick up, pick up, pick up until like 5:00 and then it dissipates.


0:29:11.0 Mike Vacanti: The temperature or the UV?


0:29:13.0 Jordan Syatt: Both. Maybe I’m wrong on the UV. It definitely feels like the temperature.


0:29:17.4 Mike Vacanti: Definitely the temperature, UV probably peaks at 1:00 or 2:00, but…


0:29:21.0 Jordan Syatt: Interesting.


0:29:21.7 Mike Vacanti: But down there in June, July, yeah, the UV is gonna be high early in the day. So you keep putting that sunscreen on. But yes, you got some good color.


0:29:31.9 Jordan Syatt: Thanks, bro.


0:29:32.4 Mike Vacanti: Got some high vitamin D levels, probably the top end of the normal range if I had to guess.


0:29:37.0 Jordan Syatt: I feel good, just like happy when it’s sunny out, is so much happier.


0:29:42.0 Mike Vacanti: We need more sun in society.




0:29:46.7 Mike Vacanti: I actually have a question. Do you remember your level of neuroticism on the Big Five personality assessment?


0:29:55.7 Jordan Syatt: No. Oh, wait, was that in the one that I sent you?


0:30:00.0 Mike Vacanti: It’s not Myers-Briggs, it’s a separate test.


0:30:02.0 Jordan Syatt: Oh, no, no, I don’t remember.


0:30:03.9 Mike Vacanti: Okay.


0:30:04.3 Jordan Syatt: Did I take that?


0:30:05.2 Mike Vacanti: I don’t remember, but I heard something and had already known it, but was reminded of it that people with higher levels of neuroticism, their primary or one of their primary goals is for security.


0:30:21.4 Jordan Syatt: Oh, interesting. That makes sense.


0:30:23.5 Mike Vacanti: That doesn’t mean that everyone who has security as a goal is also high levels of neuroticism.


0:30:29.0 Jordan Syatt: You know how like I’ve got all this like prepper stuff for like how to light up, the stuff to light a fire and the water purification things that I have, all these things I have. So I shared my Amazon store, my fitness Amazon store on my Instagram just ’cause people are like, “Hey, where do you get your dumbbells? Where do you get this?” And I have a little section, not in my fitness section, but a separate one that’s apparently on my storefront for like all of my home stuff, the security stuff. And this one woman reaches out and she was like, “Hey, what’s with all the prepper stuff on your Amazon?




0:31:09.8 Mike Vacanti: That’s awesome.


0:31:11.0 Jordan Syatt: And I was… I didn’t… I was just like, I wanna be prepared, I wanna be prepared in case they go after the water supply, I need to know how to start a fire.


0:31:20.7 Mike Vacanti: Smart, looking out for your family. In a black swan event, even if you think it’s highly unlikely that something like that happens in our lifetime.


0:31:28.4 Jordan Syatt: Better to have it. Yeah. Did you get your prepper gear yet?


0:31:31.5 Mike Vacanti: I haven’t.


0:31:32.4 Jordan Syatt: You’ve been watching any preppers on YouTube?


0:31:34.4 Mike Vacanti: I haven’t, but I have the links all saved that you sent me.


0:31:37.0 Jordan Syatt: Oh, good, good.


0:31:38.0 Mike Vacanti: Did you manually put them on your storefront or were they just there because you had bought them?


0:31:43.0 Jordan Syatt: I manually put them there just ’cause I was like, I have like a fitness section, a home section and a book section, and I was just keeping them all there for easy access. I didn’t know that like anyone could go and I thought they would only find whatever I linked them to, but this woman found my main storefront with all my stuff. And I was like, “Oh, [laughter] whatever.”


0:32:07.7 Mike Vacanti: Good to be prepared.


0:32:09.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah I’d rather be prepared.


0:32:09.4 Mike Vacanti: Good to be prepared.


0:32:10.0 Jordan Syatt: And there’s important stuff on there too, like those door jams, it was these like they’re like look like a stick. It’s a white stick that you put it in the doorway.


0:32:21.0 Mike Vacanti: Oh, yeah.


0:32:21.4 Jordan Syatt: So people can’t… I think everyone should have those, you have… You just looked at one, you have one in your house?


0:32:25.5 Mike Vacanti: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.


0:32:26.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I saw your eyes go right over to the sliding door. Yeah, you have it. [laughter]


0:32:30.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, Absolutely.


0:32:31.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, those are super important.


0:32:31.5 Mike Vacanti: I don’t even think of that, I just think of that as smart. And by the way, if one person or two people see that and like judge you for that or think differently of you for that, compared to the number of people who might stumble across it and hadn’t considered the fact that maybe some of those purchases are good ideas. Like that’s a no brainer in terms of…


0:32:52.0 Jordan Syatt: I just thought it was funny and also I was like, Oh man, I’m sort of a prepper, I’m like a low grade prepper, I’m not like a real intent, but, yeah, a little bit of a prepper. I feel like that’s something that you just do as you get older. Maybe I’m wrong, I feel like it’s as you get older, you see what’s out there in the world and you start being like, maybe I just wanna be prepared for this.


0:33:13.0 Mike Vacanti: I think a lot of people do, but a lot of people don’t as well.


0:33:17.0 Jordan Syatt: I feel like when you’re younger, you’re sort of just like, “Yeah, it’ll be fine. It’s fine. We’ll figure it out.” And then as you get older, you’re like, “I’ve seen too many things, I’ve seen it.


0:33:25.3 Mike Vacanti: I think a lot of people continue to think it’ll be fine, we’ll be fine.


0:33:30.5 Jordan Syatt: They do it with their health, they do it with their health. People are like, “oh yes, it’s not gonna happen to me,” “high blood pressure not gonna happen to me,” “not gonna break a hip,” “I’m not gonna fall,” “I’m not gonna get type two diabetes,” “I’m not gonna have a stroke.” It’s “I’m not…” They just don’t think it’s gonna happen to them, then all of a sudden something horrible happens and then they have these like, ‘oh shit’ moments. I’ve gotta make a change, I hope it’s not too late. You could say that someone who’s really into fitness is a prepper, a fitness prepper.


0:34:01.7 Mike Vacanti: I like that.


0:34:02.3 Jordan Syatt: Right? Becoming a fitness prepper, you should be a fitness prepper.


0:34:05.7 Mike Vacanti: Everyone should.


0:34:06.4 Jordan Syatt: Right? You should be prepared for everything and, yeah, dude, I’m I like this.


0:34:13.7 Mike Vacanti: This is a good content idea.


0:34:15.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Becoming a fitness prepper.


0:34:18.7 Mike Vacanti: Do you… So you have that store and those links there just for like the affiliate thing? Do you use… Is that something you’re… Are you posting the whole store or you’ll just have it there and then if someone wants something, you’ll send an individual link?


0:34:35.4 Jordan Syatt: It’s easier for me to find individual links when I have it in that store.


0:34:39.3 Mike Vacanti: All in one place.


0:34:40.4 Jordan Syatt: I’ve recently started sharing just the fitness one because every day people are like, “Wait, which walking pad do you use? Which? I know you said a million times, which one, which one?” So I’m like, “Hey, here’s my dumbbells, here’s my walking pad, here’s my blood pressure monitor, here’s literally everything I’ve bought fitness wise.” And I just link to that, I don’t link to my whole storefront, I just link to that one thing. And then when you were when you were saying, hey, do you have any prepper stuff? I also I have, I made this one with all of my prepper stuff, like the water purification stuff and the battery packs and the rechargeable things. So it’s just easier for me to go in there or if I wanna buy it as gifts for people, it’s easier for me to quickly go and find which one I bought before and do that. But I’ve only given the link to the fitness stuff, but then this woman found my whole storefront. [laughter]


0:35:32.8 Mike Vacanti: We’ll definitely bleep this out or just you don’t even have to say if you don’t want to, but I’m genuinely curious. Does that bring in a decent amount?


0:35:45.3 Jordan Syatt: So it’s not insignificant, but it’s not outrageously significant either.


0:35:49.5 Mike Vacanti: And given the number of people, because I would imagine when you post it, you’re posting it on your story?


0:35:55.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yep.


0:35:56.3 Mike Vacanti: Someone who’s just starting maybe has four online fitness clients.


0:36:00.7 Jordan Syatt: Not worth it. Yeah.


0:36:01.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. I’m just, in terms of the revenue that that can bring in to a smaller audience.


0:36:04.8 Jordan Syatt: Correct. Yeah. Correct.


0:36:06.9 Mike Vacanti: Which is why we talk so much about why coaching is such a good way to earn a like a reasonable income without having a big audience.


0:36:18.0 Jordan Syatt: Correct. Exactly. Yes.


0:36:23.3 Mike Vacanti: On the sun, something else just came to me. We for all of human history, were getting so much more sun than we get these days, and these days last 100 years, maybe more 200 years, I’m not really sure, but…


0:36:45.4 Jordan Syatt: Probably mainly 100. Yeah.


0:36:45.5 Mike Vacanti: It seems like it’s not total amount of sun exposure that’s dangerous, but the boom bust, the infrequent, the inside all the time and then getting a ton of sun exposure that seems to be really dangerous.


0:37:01.4 Jordan Syatt: This one hypothesis, I think that it’s also hard to tell because even now you don’t see that many young people struggling with skin cancer relative to older individuals. And I think that we might not have a full scope of it just because people might have been dying before they got to the point where they would have had skin cancer. So it’s like they’re obviously are…


0:37:30.4 Mike Vacanti: A long time ago, yes.


0:37:30.9 Jordan Syatt: Young people who have skin cancer, for sure, I know young people have skin cancer, but relatively it’s usually older people who have skin cancer. And again, there are young people who die from skin cancer, but I think that I think that and for whatever it’s worth. I know several of the young people I know with severe skin cancer were also doing crazy tanning bed shit, like not good stuff at all. Not saying that happens all the time, but that’s several of the people that I know. Either way, I would imagine that sun exposure over long periods of time has always been an issue, they just in general might not have been living long enough to have experienced the sun exposure being the issue that led to their death.


0:38:12.3 Mike Vacanti: That’s a really good point. We also need to consider the unmeasurable amount of excess death that comes from the population who isn’t getting in the sun.


0:38:28.7 Jordan Syatt: Yes. Yep.


0:38:29.0 Mike Vacanti: Like what does low vitamin D levels look like? Like okay, these people aren’t gonna get skin cancer because they never went outside in their whole life, but what did that do to their health? What did having chronically low supplementation now, sure, but what did the lack of getting the benefit of being in the sun do to them in every other way?


0:38:53.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, yeah. That’s where I think, and again, obviously there’s a risk to everything, but that’s where I think sunscreen really wins, where it’s like, listen, put it on and get out in the sun. Like staying inside all the time is a terrible idea and being fearful of the sun and not getting it. Put some sunscreen on and get outside, just get it, people need to be outside more, man, I’m convinced. It’s funny, I was talking to this guy, we’re in the house building process, we were at the house yesterday just going through with the builder. And one of his people, this guy’s name is Doug, he was telling me he has six acres of land, dude, I’ve got like three acres on the new property. And I’m trying to figure out, okay, how am I gonna take care of this land? Am I gonna pay someone to cut it? Then I go, “Hey, Doug, do you have land?” He’s like, “Yeah, I got about six acres.” I was like, “Oh, nice. You do that yourself or do you pay someone to do it for you?” He’s like, “Oh, no, I do it myself.” And I was like, “You do that yourself?” And he was like, “Yeah, it’s about a five-hour job.” I was like, “How often, like once a month?” He’s like, “Once a week?” I was like, “You spend five hours a week on your six acres?” He’s like, “Yep, yeah, I weed it, I trim it.” And I’m like, “Oh, my gosh.”


0:40:20.0 Jordan Syatt: And then I spoke to my other guy who’s helping with the house and he’s got like two acres, I was like, “Do you do your property?” He’s like, “Hell no, my wife wants it done well, which means I’m not doing it.” But I was like, man, this guy is outside, and he’s just got the biggest smile on his face, he’s a really nice dude, Doug. He’s just outside all the time, just doing his yard. Man, this guy, he’s doing it right, you need to be outside more. I’m considering trying to do my three acres by myself, but I don’t know.




0:40:49.0 Mike Vacanti: Start that way.


0:40:50.0 Jordan Syatt: That’s tough. Maybe just like on one acre.


0:40:52.4 Mike Vacanti: It’s good in that it forces you to be outside.


0:40:54.4 Jordan Syatt: Do you do your own lawn?


0:40:56.0 Mike Vacanti: No, I don’t.


0:40:57.3 Jordan Syatt: No.


0:40:57.4 Mike Vacanti: I actually thought about switching to do it, but, no. It was just a math thing, outsourcing, hourly rate. What’s my time worth? How much would it cost to have someone mow like pretty easy swap?


0:41:13.6 Jordan Syatt: Would you do it for just the outside time or you’d rather just go on a walk or something?


0:41:18.0 Mike Vacanti: That’s why I considered it was just get outside and mow.


0:41:22.4 Jordan Syatt: Do you have a lawn mower?


0:41:23.7 Mike Vacanti: No.


0:41:24.0 Jordan Syatt: Have you ever done weeding? You ever like pull weeds out?


0:41:27.0 Mike Vacanti: I pulled some weeds out the other day. Yeah.


0:41:29.0 Jordan Syatt: Oh, did you?


0:41:30.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Last summer I got some gloves from Home Depot and I don’t get a lot of weeds at all, but in the rocks that we have, go pull some weeds out on again. You don’t want it looking sloppy, but no, it’s not that many hours a week.


0:41:45.0 Jordan Syatt: I didn’t realize how big of an issue like in a community, people really judge each other on their lawn.


0:41:50.4 Mike Vacanti: They do and I don’t care at all because it’s like the dumbest thing ever, it’s like, keeping up with the Joneses, the who’s who. We got this car like patty down the street they got an addition. Well, they bought a four-wheeler. I genuinely, there’s nothing in the world that I care about less than that, than like suburban housewife vain competition. [laughter] “Well, Jimmy is going to a private school,” “well, Sarah, got in on the A team.” “I heard like…” I couldn’t be less interested.


0:42:23.0 Jordan Syatt: I didn’t know it was a thing.


0:42:23.4 Mike Vacanti: “Oh, they got a Lexus, why didn’t they get a dadada.” It’s like, [laughter] could not care less.


0:42:27.7 Jordan Syatt: I had no clue. I didn’t realize until there was like a little like block party here in our community and people were talking about it. Like, “do you know, oh, their lawn always like…” I’m like, wow, this is a real conversation, I had no clue.


0:42:38.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, who cares. Yeah, you guys gotta get a life, you need hobbies, you need to read books, [laughter] you need something. But we gotta go because we got a Q&A in 90 seconds, we love you. We’ll be back next week every Tuesday, five star review helps us a lot. If you got one minute, just jump in your app, hit that five star, write something nice. See you next week.


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