Episode 237: Addressing The Drama: Jordan’s GLP-1 Experiment

0:00:11.7 Mike Vacanti: Hello, Jordan.

0:00:12.3 Jordan Syatt: What’s up, Michael?

0:00:13.2 Mike Vacanti: What’s up, my road dog?

0:00:15.3 Jordan Syatt: What does that mean?

0:00:16.2 Mike Vacanti: I’ve been calling you road dog on text for the last week or two and you haven’t acknowledged it. 

0:00:20.4 Jordan Syatt: Road dog?

0:00:21.0 Mike Vacanti: Road dog. You’re my road dog.

0:00:22.0 Jordan Syatt: You’ve been saying that to me on text?

0:00:24.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:00:24.9 Jordan Syatt: Hold on, let me look. I don’t remember that, seeing that once. Oh, you did say that yesterday. No, Tuesday. AM Post, my Road Dog.

0:00:33.6 Mike Vacanti: I think you see my AM Post reminder and you don’t even read it. It just is like, okay, I need to post Mike’s reminder.

0:00:39.8 Jordan Syatt: You called me a road dog once on Tuesday.

0:00:42.7 Mike Vacanti: No. Search our text. I’ve called you that more than once.

0:00:44.8 Jordan Syatt: But no, no, I see your AM Post. The last couple days have been crazy, so I’ve deliberately, I was like, hey, I’ve got other shit going on, but usually I’m pretty good at it, by and large.

0:00:54.8 Mike Vacanti: I want you to Google road dog.

0:00:56.5 Jordan Syatt: Road dog can refer to a few things. Most commonly a trusted friend, or in the context of trucking, a radio channel or a company.

0:01:03.8 Mike Vacanti: We’re not truckers, we’re friends.

0:01:05.6 Jordan Syatt: It can also refer to a professional wrestler. Nice. I’m a trusted friend. My road dog. Let’s go. Road dog.

0:01:11.1 Mike Vacanti: I feel like it’s a real late ’90s, early 2000s. Maybe you guys didn’t use it out east.

0:01:15.8 Jordan Syatt: No, I’ve never heard of that ever. Dude, you had your golf trip?

0:01:20.5 Mike Vacanti: I had my golf trip. Mm-hmm.

0:01:22.2 Jordan Syatt: Did you have any alcohol?

0:01:23.4 Mike Vacanti: Did I have any alcohol? I think that I had one sip of someone else’s Spotted Cow just because it’s a classic Wisconsin beer that I haven’t had in I don’t even know how long. And that was it.

0:01:36.5 Jordan Syatt: Just one sip?

0:01:37.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, I had one sip.

0:01:38.4 Jordan Syatt: Wow. I think you did that the last time you were here. I think I had a Bud Light Lime. And you’re like, I just want to smell it. You had one sniff and I was like, you could have some. You’re like, no, no, no. I just want the smell.

0:01:53.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, the smell of BLL is nostalgic for sure. Yeah, I’m not an alcohol guy these days.

0:02:01.0 Jordan Syatt: Good. I love that.

0:02:02.4 Mike Vacanti: We lost, unfortunately.

0:02:04.8 Jordan Syatt: For the first year in like four years. 

0:02:07.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, yeah. We had a three year win streak on. It came down to the third round. We play 18 on Thursday and then 36 holes on Friday and walking the whole thing because there’s no motorized carts allowed at Sand Valley. And I find those push carts, where you put your clubs on a cart that you can push, are actually more fatiguing than just carrying. So I ended up carrying my bag, and I played well, but we couldn’t get it done this year. I was so sore after that, 38,000 steps in a day carrying a, whatever, 15, 20 pound bag. Everything that attaches to my hips was just fried.

0:02:51.4 Jordan Syatt: And then you played in a charity golf tournament the day you got back.

0:02:54.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, it was one of the dumber commitments I’ve ever made.

0:02:57.5 Jordan Syatt: That’s an insane number of… Did you use a golf cart for the charity one?

0:03:03.2 Mike Vacanti: Yes.

0:03:03.8 Jordan Syatt: Okay. Okay, nice.

0:03:05.1 Mike Vacanti: But I still could barely swing. I couldn’t get around on it because everything was so sore from the trip.

0:03:11.5 Jordan Syatt: Oh, geez. Are you still sore now or no, you’re good?

0:03:14.6 Mike Vacanti: The leg day that I just did helped a lot, get some of that good movement back in.

0:03:20.6 Jordan Syatt: Man, movement is the best. Feels so good.

0:03:23.3 Mike Vacanti: It’s the game. You’re a big movement guy.

0:03:26.5 Jordan Syatt: Dude, huge.

0:03:27.3 Mike Vacanti: All right. 1, 2, 3.

0:03:28.9 Jordan Syatt: On my list or your list?

0:03:30.6 Mike Vacanti: You actually have a list in front of you?

0:03:32.1 Jordan Syatt: I have a list in front of me.

0:03:33.2 Mike Vacanti: Wow, you are dialed.

0:03:34.7 Jordan Syatt: I started a note Mike podcast topics.

0:03:37.4 Mike Vacanti: No way.

0:03:38.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:03:39.2 Mike Vacanti: You know what?

0:03:39.7 Jordan Syatt: You told me to do it, dude.

0:03:40.8 Mike Vacanti: If you’re listening right now, just a quick little thumbs up on YouTube, quick little podcast review. Let’s go. Jordan’s bringing the heat. I like it.

0:03:48.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, man. Number one. I can’t take credit for this one. This is from… I spoke with amazing Joelle Cavagnaro on my podcast. And as I was going through her content, she said this. And I asked her to dive deep into on mine. And I resonated with it incredibly deeply. Because I’ve always felt like when people say this, it’s missing a huge component. And I’ve never felt 100% on board with it, even though I’ve actually said it too, but I felt like I’ve been missing something. And she said, when someone says, just give yourself grace, that’s terrible advice, especially when there’s no context, because just give yourself grace with no context of, but you still have to fucking work hard. It’s like it’s not enough. And so people say, well, just give yourself grace. And she was like, grace is important. It’s important, but be kind to yourself. And she said, you need grace and you need grit. Grace is the kindness. Grit is the follow through.

0:04:53.4 Mike Vacanti: I like that.

0:04:54.6 Jordan Syatt: And she went on. And a big part… She’s a mother of two beautiful young girls. And she’s like, when people tell mothers, just wait until you have a schedule. Just wait until you have a routine. It’s like, no mother at any point in time wakes up one day with three hours of free time and a fridge prepped with food for the week. That just never happens. So not only, yes, give yourself grace, but you need to fucking do it. And this idea of you can do hard things, you can also do hard things when you’re tired. Like do hard things when you’re tired. And when in the clips, because this is going to be clipped for sure, we have to give credit to Joelle Cavagnaro for saying this. This isn’t my idea. When she was saying it, I was getting so hyped because I was like, enough of just saying, just give yourself grace. Enough. Give yourself grace and fucking work hard. Do hard things when you’re tired.

0:05:48.9 Mike Vacanti: I love it. It’s a great concept.

0:05:51.2 Jordan Syatt: Huge shout out to Joelle for that one.

0:05:52.4 Mike Vacanti: Let’s go, Joelle. Yeah, I’m a fan. It’s almost… A lot of advice in anything, but fitness especially, is contextual on who you’re giving it to. Give yourself grace for somebody who is on their 700th day in a row of overeating. It’s like, no, no more grace. Now it’s game time. Whereas somebody who is absolutely meticulous, type A rock star, and then has one day of, oh, I was planning on whatever dinner and end up having four slices of pizza instead. It’s like, all right, give yourself grace. That’s after quote-unquote “screwing up” is an appropriate time for that. But yes, it needs to be mirrored with grit, baby.

0:06:42.0 Jordan Syatt: That’s exactly right. All right, now I’ll pick one for your list.

0:06:46.0 Mike Vacanti: You’re on a GLP-1. Was that on your list?

0:06:50.1 Jordan Syatt: That was number one, two, three, four, five. That was five on my list.

0:06:54.7 Mike Vacanti: You have five things on your list?

0:06:56.5 Jordan Syatt: Six.

0:06:57.4 Mike Vacanti: Oh my gosh.

0:06:58.6 Jordan Syatt: But they’re like, some of them bleed into each other. So yeah, yeah.

0:07:01.5 Mike Vacanti: We might not get to all of our lists today. That’s a good problem to have.

0:07:04.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, I’m on a GLP-1, dude.

0:07:06.7 Mike Vacanti: I watched your video last night. 

0:07:08.6 Jordan Syatt: Oh, did you watch it? 

0:07:09.5 Mike Vacanti: In preparation. Yeah, yeah, it was very good.

0:07:11.7 Jordan Syatt: Dude, I thought it was a great, and that’s props to Mitch, because Mitch crushed that video.

0:07:16.8 Mike Vacanti: I was going to say, I think you did a good job of articulating your thoughts and also laying out the topics of the video, but the editing and B-roll and news footage and things that he threw on really, I think was especially helpful for someone who doesn’t follow you and came across the video for retention. So let’s go, Mitch.

0:07:39.9 Jordan Syatt: And I told him, because he got B-roll from all of my previous experiments and all that. I was like, man, I know that took a long time to get all that footage. That was impressive.

0:07:49.3 Mike Vacanti: Do we want it? I don’t know where to take this.

0:07:52.0 Jordan Syatt: Take it wherever you want. We’ll figure it out as we go.

0:07:55.8 Mike Vacanti: The blowback was interesting.

0:08:00.3 Jordan Syatt: Super interesting. Super interesting. I should say from the beginning, the overwhelming response, massively positive. Massively positive. A very small group of very angry people made a lot of noise. And by the way, I’m going to say this. There are people who are close to me who were very angry about it, but they didn’t contact me about it. They were talking in their little groups of people who I know. And a lot of these people who were talking in their groups think that these conversations were private. And then I was getting screenshots and messages from people in these groups.

0:08:46.7 Mike Vacanti: Jordan has spies everywhere, like Mossad.

0:08:49.1 Jordan Syatt: Not even spies, just people who are like, there are groups of people who… Within the group, there are people who are very close to me who were talking gargantuan amounts of shit and didn’t text me, didn’t call me. They have my number. We’ve had conversations for years, for almost a decade. And I think some of them probably listen to this podcast. And I want them to know, I know the shit that they’re saying. And all they had to do, just call me, text me. Hey, I have questions about why you did this. And if you’re thinking, shit, is he talking about me? Yes. Yes, I am. I am talking about you. I’m not going to give any more hints, but if you think that we’re close and that we’ve been close for many years, all you had to do is call me or text me and I would have been happy to talk to you about it. And I know that you’re talking shit. Just making sure you know. 

0:09:53.2 Mike Vacanti: There’s something to be said about being able to disagree with someone on a topic and still be cordial and civil and friendly and friends and have a conversation that is seemingly lost in this day and age.

0:10:12.4 Jordan Syatt: It’s crazy. And what happened is being like, hey, I saw you did this. I don’t really get it. It doesn’t seem right to me. Can we talk about it? Rather than talking shit in your little groups or like making passive aggressive posts on social media about it. Like just reach out to me. Just talk to me about it. So overwhelming response, super positive. But yeah, there was some actually surprising, unexpected blowback that I very strongly believe the people who did it will regret as they become more aware. Because what I’ve realized is the people who were really upset about it, I guarantee you haven’t actually spent time researching it. They’re taking other posts at face value from other people, but they haven’t actually gone into the research. They haven’t actually looked at the studies. A lot of them are being like, it’s not for things like disordered eating. It hasn’t been studied. False. Massive meta-analysis recently came out talking about how it’s been amazing for binge eating disorder, for anorexia, even regardless of weight. Like there’s a tremendous amount of research on it. So there’s… Even the people who were really upset about it, I think they will be regretting being upset as the research becomes more and more mainstream and people start to hear about it more.

0:11:42.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yeah. We’ll find out. I’m going to give you some thoughts because you and I have talked about this extensively throughout the experiment.

0:11:52.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, correct. So I can give more context to it. I feel like I might be projecting this or maybe this has actually happened, but if there was negative feedback around the secret component of it, I remember when you told me on the phone, I somehow got it out of you. You were talking about something with blood work and this and that, and it came up that you were going to start a GLP-1, but you were mad because you’re like, I wanted to bring it up to you on the podcast. And then I was like, are you going to tell people about it? And you’re like, yes, I plan on telling people, but you said the level of annoyance, maybe that wasn’t your exact words, but basically when you’ve done experiments in the past, the scrutiny you get during the experiment is constant, whether it’s the blood sugar or the McDonald’s.

0:12:47.3 Jordan Syatt: Does not stop. Yeah.

0:12:48.8 Mike Vacanti: And you were like, I don’t want that for this. I just want to do it. And then I’m going to talk about it after the fact. I was like, cool, because we were both on the same page of like, if you’re taking something like this, you should tell people you’re taking something like this. Not if you don’t work in the industry, but if you do work in the industry, you should. And we know probably more people that do than don’t who are on TRT and not disclosing, who are on steroids and lying about their dosages, who are claiming natural when they’re not natural, et cetera. It’s just completely rampant. And so that was your plan from the beginning was to run the experiment and then make content about 

0:13:30.1 Jordan Syatt: It. Yeah, 100%. And this is an inherently longer term experiment. This isn’t like I did it for 30 days. I specifically wanted experience on it, experience coming off of it, experience changing dosages. And you need a long-term experiment for that. So, and it was funny, there was one person who was like really going in on like the secret side of it and she was making things up being like, he’s using his body to sell his program. I’m like, no, I never… I’m like, look at how much weight. In fact, I deliberately did not do a mini cut during this timeframe. I deliberately did not do like a look at how much weight I’ve lost ’cause every time I’ve done that in the past, I do that live and people know I’m losing weight. I’m not going to be like, hey, look at me as I’m losing weight and not telling you. In fact, I was doing the splits for the vast majority of the time. It’s like, which has nothing to do with GLP-1s whatsoever.

0:14:32.1 Mike Vacanti: Which is the right thing to do.

0:14:33.6 Jordan Syatt: Correct. I’m not going to do like a weight loss, hey, join my program now that I did a mini cut while I did use GLP-1, so of course not. 

0:14:41.0 Mike Vacanti: Or even be someone, and I, when I was making content, was even more like this than you are now, which is using your body as marketing. Like you do less of that in general than the average fitness professional.

0:14:54.6 Jordan Syatt: I never do that. I use my performance. I never, I’m like, ’cause I don’t have an impressive physique, anyway. 

0:15:01.6 Mike Vacanti: I think so. I think you do.

0:15:03.1 Jordan Syatt: It’s a very standard athletic physique. It’s not like a ripped or shredded or bodybuilder, and I’m never like in any way, I’m never shirtless, look at me, da-da-da-da. I use my performance in the gym and my knowledge through how I speak. I don’t use my body as a marketing tool in terms of aesthetically.

0:15:23.6 Mike Vacanti: One part that was interesting was the discussion around you saying that you previously thought that these drugs were, and I’m going to paraphrase again, but basically only for people who need to lose weight and body fat to get physically healthier and not for people who already like have decent body comp and only need to lose a small amount of weight. And you said you thought that before, but now you don’t think that anymore. And because I don’t make any content at all, and I have clients who listen here, et cetera, many who are on GLP-1s actually, I’m going to voice my opinions, which is I think I’m more cautious by nature than you are.

0:16:19.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, for sure. 100%.

0:16:20.4 Mike Vacanti: In terms of unknown risks of long-term GLP-1 usage.

0:16:25.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:16:26.3 Mike Vacanti: And we have some like midterm data, I’d say. I think the experiment that tracked people taking, it wasn’t trizepitide because it hasn’t been around long enough, but like a semaglutide the longest was like eight years, which is a good chunk of time. 

0:16:43.4 Jordan Syatt: But it’s not 15, 20, 50 years. It’s not that long time.

0:16:46.8 Mike Vacanti: It’s not 20, 30, 40, 50 years. 

0:16:48.3 Jordan Syatt: Right. Yeah.

0:16:49.0 Mike Vacanti: And so that combined with anything that changes the brain, right? Like it’s somehow changing our thoughts, which is really cool, but also slightly scary. And maybe not scary for some people, scary for me, makes me think that the upside, so reduce craving and reduce thinking about food, the upside for someone who doesn’t need to lose weight to get physically healthier, which are those, doesn’t justify the potential downside yet until more long-term data comes out.

0:17:33.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yeah. And that makes total sense.

0:17:35.7 Mike Vacanti: And you can disagree and we can still have a conversation.

0:17:39.0 Jordan Syatt: No, I don’t disagree. I don’t disagree with that. Because, and as I said in the video, it’s like, this is a very serious decision that only you should make between you and your doctor. And I was super clear about that. I’m not telling anybody you should be taking them. It was a decision that I made between me and my provider. And understanding that there’s an inherent risk with unbelievable amounts of unknowns based on a lack of long-term data.

0:18:08.2 Mike Vacanti: And then you have people who are super smart, who I respect, who are way further down the line than you saying like every single person should take tirzepatide regardless…

0:18:21.8 Jordan Syatt: But you see that? You saw that?

0:18:24.2 Mike Vacanti: I did. I did. Yeah.

0:18:25.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. And we were in the DMs talking about it. He was like, I love that you did that. But you know what? I was talking to, again, Spencer about it and Spencer said within 10 years that everybody’s going to be taking these drugs. Everybody. And you know what I think is interesting about that? 

0:18:39.5 Mike Vacanti: I’ll go on the record and say I completely disagree with that. I think that the median, like if that were true, I don’t understand why people come off them now. Unless the drugs continue to get better and better. And then obviously the data over that 10-year window supports their safety. But I don’t have a lot of science. I’m intuition and theory on this. The fact that they make you… And by the way, I haven’t used them. So like you have direct N equals one on this that you can speak to.

0:19:20.9 Jordan Syatt: Which is why I did the experiment. This is literally why, because it gives me that opportunity.

0:19:25.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yep. The fact that they make you, let’s call it like food less, need food less, think about food less. Plus they make you like, crave, need other things less as well. Like alcohol. That’s the big one, drugs and alcohol. 

0:19:50.4 Jordan Syatt: Gambling addiction. Like there’s like, yeah. It can reduce these urges that people struggle with.

0:19:58.5 Mike Vacanti: And there’s been some evidence around increases in, I guess, mood disorders, you would call it. Depression, anxiety with some people. I hypothesize, I don’t even hypothesize. I might hypothesize that they just make you like and want everything less. Like they make you want less. They make you like enjoy slightly less. Well, and in a six or eight-month window, I don’t even know if you can get a handle on that. Two, three, four, five years. I don’t know the hedonic adaptation or like there’s also an underlying principle of there’s no biological free lunch that just makes sense to me intuitively. We always wanted a miracle pill, like a magic fix in fitness. And this seems like it’s it, but like the laws of nature at this point in my life have shown me that that doesn’t exist. So maybe this is it, but I’m more skeptical.

0:21:02.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Listen, it makes sense. I mean, and to the magic pill point, I remember I wrote an article in like 2012, 2013, and I consistently spoke about it saying, hey, we don’t have a magic pill right now, but if we do, I would take it. I’ve said this for as long as I’ve been in the industry. If there was, I would take it because why not? Now, I don’t think this is a magic pill in the sense of, you just take it and everything automatically gets better and you don’t have to put in any work. You have to put in a lot of work still. And I think it’s one of the issues people are having with these drugs is they take it like it’s a magic pill and then they don’t string train. They don’t take their protein. It doesn’t work the same for everybody. Some people do have very severe side effects with it. Some people get insane amounts of nausea, throwing up. Some people… It’s not a magic pill at all. And there are different types and there’s so many things that need to be considered. In my experience thus far, there hasn’t been like a dulling of my life.

0:22:11.4 Jordan Syatt: It’s not like life is dull at all. I find so much joy in so many different things. And what it’s done for me is I’ve been able to enjoy moments more, like my daughters, my wife. I’ve been able to enjoy these moments more without the, fuck, like I really want that other slice of pizza. Fuck, I want that other slice. Now it’s more just like, let me just sit down and just hang out and have a slice or two without that extra thought. So it’s actually, I think it’s enhanced it a little bit from that perspective. And that’s just my personal experience.

0:22:49.7 Jordan Syatt: Now, what I think specifically in regard to Spencer saying he thinks literally everyone’s going to be taking these drugs, or not literally, but most people will be taking these drugs within 10 years. What is the most interesting thing to me is why do people take multivitamins? People take multivitamins because it’s a simple way to cover your bases to potentially improve your health, right? To make sure you’re not lacking anything. The most interesting thing to me about these drugs is the weight-independent effects on inflammation markers, on ApoB, on blood pressure.

0:23:26.7 Mike Vacanti: Are those calorie-independent effects too?

0:23:30.5 Jordan Syatt: So there have been trials and there’s been people who have not lost any weight on these drugs and still improved health markers. And I would imagine if they’re not losing weight, then their calories are somewhat, I don’t know if like they’re… It’s a great question. It’s a great perspective in terms of did their food quality change? Did anything like… That’s a really great point.

0:23:55.3 Mike Vacanti: And I would like to see two groups, one on a GLP-1 in a one pound a week deficit and one not on a GLP-1 in a one pound a week deficit over six months, get the mean group weight loss to be roughly the same of the two groups and look at, did the GLP-1 group see better blood markers even though both groups lost the same amount of weight? 

0:24:21.2 Jordan Syatt: Well it’s interesting, in my… Because you know I’ve taken blood work for years. Like I’ve had my blood work. I’ve done it. I’ve lost a lot of weight. I’ve gotten actually to a lower weight than I did using GLP-1s and my ApoB didn’t get to nearly as healthy as it has with the GLP-1. So when I did the blood sugar experiment, I got all my blood work taken and I lost even more weight. I was mid 130s by the end of it.

0:24:48.5 Mike Vacanti: You were eating all that sugar. You were insulin spiking. 

0:24:50.7 Jordan Syatt: I knew people were going to say that. I lost more weight and my ApoB still wasn’t anywhere near as good as it has been with the GLP-1. Now I have new blood work up within the next week or so I’m going to take and it’ll be very interesting to see what’s going on now because I’ve stabilized now. So the lowest I got with the GLP-1 was like 138. Now I’ve been stabilized between like 142, 144-ish and I stay there really comfortably, no problem. So it will be interesting to see since the last update to see if there’s been any more improvements or if it’s gone backwards, who knows. But yeah, very interesting.

0:25:31.4 Mike Vacanti: One of the issues that I have, now this isn’t you, this is internet doctors, is there are many internet doctors who cover GLP-1s with a degree of nuance, which I think is the proper way to, I mean, really cover anything if you’re going to be a professional in a field, even though we don’t always use nuance in this podcast, but we just like to have fun. The doctors who use less nuance and are super pro-GLP-1 seem to all have businesses that sell GLP-1s, which doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re being dishonest or disingenuine, but it’s a red flag for me. And I’ve seen doctors who literally have… I think this might have been a year ago, this person was on a podcast and said that they had thousands of patients in their clinic and they didn’t all need to lose weight, but this doctor had all of them on a GLP-1, which was like, the host was taken aback even, was expecting, this was a year ago too, the number to be much lower than that. Basically, it’s very interesting. It’s like a level above the supplement game because it’s a doctor and it’s a medication. Yeah, my spidey senses go up in those situations. 

0:27:07.3 Jordan Syatt: 100%, yeah. And there was one of the people who was really coming at me was actually someone who works for Spencer. And this individual was basically kept moving the goalposts. One of the initial ones was saying, talking about, so I’m overtly honest, I’m sponsored by Marek Health, right? I’m sponsored by Marek Health. And basically, this individual was saying, I’m getting paid to tell people to go to Marek Health for GLP-1s, which I’ve literally never done, number one. And as I said in the video overtly, this is a conversation between you and your doctor. I’m sponsored by Marek, but I don’t get paid if someone uses my code. I get a monthly flat fee. So if zero people sign up through me, I get the same amount. If 1,000 people sign up through me, I get the same amount. There is no money to be made from that GLP-1 video whatsoever, right? This individual who was coming at me was basically being like, you’re flaunting X, Y, and Z that you can use this while people don’t have access to it. And meanwhile, in all of this individual’s posts, they keep talking about how you can join Spencer’s program.

0:28:25.8 Jordan Syatt: And I was texting Spencer about this. We’ve spoken about this very clearly. And we were both laughing because this individual is saying it’s not accessible to so many people. And meanwhile, Spencer’s program is $150 a month flat fee, never mind however much it costs on top for the medications. And I think this person got called out for it, basically being like, you’re saying that he’s talking about it and it’s not accessible. But meanwhile, it’s in the bio of your Instagram. You’re using it. And the program that you’re promoting is $150 a month flat fee plus how much it costs on top for medications. There’s a lot of hypocrisy within these statements. But yeah, even regardless of how you’re getting them, where you’re getting them, whether it’s something like Marek, if that’s something that you decide to do through Marek, or through a compounding pharmacy separately, or through your doctor, there’s a lot of extenuating circumstances and a lot of money to be made through these drugs. 

0:29:29.1 Mike Vacanti: A lot. 

0:29:29.6 Jordan Syatt: There is a lot, regardless of where you’re getting it from, which is why it’s really important to be aware. Number one, is this a risk you’re willing to take? It’s only between you and your doctor. And also understand that whether it’s a doctor or something like Marek or something else, because there are other companies as well that do it. There’s a lot of money to be made in it, and that should go into your consideration for whether or not this is something you want to experiment with or something that is it worthwhile for you.

0:29:55.5 Mike Vacanti: Similar to other components of Big Pharma, this is just a newer one, essentially.

0:30:02.8 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, correct. That’s exactly right.

0:30:05.0 Mike Vacanti: And again, similar to the whole affiliate crap fitness industry that’s been going on for decades, just a level above supplements in my mind. So this isn’t new.

0:30:21.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:30:21.9 Mike Vacanti: What are some of the common questions that you’ve gotten after this?

0:30:25.4 Jordan Syatt: The most common is, am I going to stay on it? That’s the most common question, which yes, as of right now, I’m going to stay on it. What’s really going to dictate it is this most recent blood work. So in the next couple of weeks, I’m getting new blood work. If my blood work has stayed the same or continued to improve yeah, I’m 100% staying on it. Like, if my ApoB continues to improve, my blood pressure has been amazing, thank God. If my ApoB continues to improve, inflammatory markers continue to improve there’s no question. If my blood work comes back and I’ve seen a backtracking of it, then I’ll have to have a sit-down conversation with myself, with my provider, and be like, is it worth taking some time off just to see how I feel? The way that I look at all this stuff is it’s just one long-term experiment with everything that I do. Even whether it’s GLP-1, whether it’s my training routine, I’m always experimenting.

0:31:24.9 Mike Vacanti: So it’s hard for you to make the declaration that yes, I’m staying on indefinitely, or no.

0:31:32.5 Jordan Syatt: No, it’s impossible.

0:31:32.6 Mike Vacanti: I mean, unless you were stopping right after the experiment, it’s a month-to-month thing. Right now, yes, but who knows six months down the road.

0:31:40.6 Jordan Syatt: Correct. Yeah, exactly. There is a new one coming out. It’s called a retrituride, which has been getting a huge amount of press as the king of kings and the least potential amount of side effects. So that is something that, when that comes out, and I’m not telling anybody to do this, I’m talking about me, that I would like to try it based on all the press coming out about it. 

0:32:07.5 Mike Vacanti: And your experimental style.

0:32:10.1 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, I would like to try it. Tirzepatide has been wonderful for me thus far, but I would like to try retrituride if and when that becomes available. So, yeah, as of right now, I’m going to stay on it.

0:32:23.9 Mike Vacanti: What you mentioned about the pizza and basically it being easier for you to manage portions, essentially, is, I would imagine, if you don’t believe there’s any long-term downside, plus your blood work stays good, plus, and I might be putting words in your mouth, but I would guess the biggest benefit is how you feel around food, or one of the bigger benefits.

0:32:50.4 Jordan Syatt: That’s a massive part of it.

0:32:52.2 Mike Vacanti: If those things all continue. 

0:32:55.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, 100%. 

0:32:56.6 Mike Vacanti: Then, yeah. Makes sense.

0:32:59.1 Jordan Syatt: That’s the main one.

0:32:59.9 Mike Vacanti: I mean, that’s definitely, the clients I’ve had who started a GLP-1 and didn’t need it for their physiological health, like their blood work is really good, did it because they wanted less craving, less… They just wanted it, I don’t say it as a knock, like wanting it to be a little bit easier isn’t a knock, it’s just what it is.

0:33:27.7 Jordan Syatt: It’s the truth. But, I mean, realistically, that’s what we always are trying, we’re always trying to find a way to make things easier, more scalable, more convenient. Like, generally speaking, that’s what we’re looking for, whether it’s in business, whether it’s in fitness we’re trying to find ways to make things more scalable and fit into our life better.

0:33:47.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, true. All right, we’ll have to do some continuous updates on the big GuLPs, the GLPs, the GuLPs. The GuLP unos.

0:34:00.2 Jordan Syatt: GuLP-1, GuLP unos. 

0:34:03.8 Mike Vacanti: Technically, your starting weight had you… Look, I don’t think people, when I say, so GLP-1’s for obesity or someone who’s overweight, if you’re going off BMI, like you could technically be a 26 or a 27 on BMI, not have that much weight to lose, but be overweight technically, and it’s like, all right, you’re a good candidate for GLP-1 for physiological health purposes. It’s not for the food noise. It’s not for these other things that you want to solve. You could have even gone that route in like, I was a candidate, like losing 15 pounds made your physiological health better, and you have, I don’t know, how many times in your career have you lost 15 pounds? 

0:34:48.5 Jordan Syatt: A  lot.

0:34:48.7 Mike Vacanti: A lot of mini cuts. You could have done that again, but you wanted to try something different.

0:34:55.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, and if my blood work comes back healthier, it’s like, it seems like a no-brainer. 

0:35:01.6 Mike Vacanti: I’d be curious what your ApoB was when you were doing a bunch of cardio, but then I also would need to know your weight then too.

0:35:10.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:35:11.2 Mike Vacanti: Or changes in weight over that window. It’ll be interesting to see when more data comes out, if these drugs independent of changes in weight lead to better blood markers, that’s really fascinating.

0:35:27.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, I mean, that’s what it’s pointing to, which is wild. And that’s why Mike Israetel is saying, I think everybody should be taking these.

0:35:35.6 Mike Vacanti: But back to my, there’s no biological free lunch. What is then the downside?

0:35:41.4 Jordan Syatt: Correct.

0:35:42.0 Mike Vacanti: Even if we don’t know it yet. And the depression, anxiety, mood disorder, not liking things as much is an interesting hypothesis.

0:35:52.9 Jordan Syatt: So to go into it, what’s the downside of TRT? Right, because I think even on a recent episode, you’re like, there’s no downside of being jacked.

0:36:02.8 Mike Vacanti: I was being  funny though six months ago. 

0:36:04.9 Jordan Syatt: It’s like a… 

0:36:07.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, for a very low dosage to get you into the normal range.

0:36:14.1 Mike Vacanti: Let’s say a guy’s doing everything right and he’s 65 and his total test is like a buck 20 and it gets him to 450 or 500. I mean, Jay Campbell would argue that it’s not a downside, it’s an upside. Like it actually makes your cardiovascular system healthier. 

0:36:32.5 Jordan Syatt: That’s exactly, yes. That’s what I’m saying. It’s like there’s what it… Why would that only be relegated to TRT? 

0:36:39.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Look, I’m not an expert on that. I haven’t touched that stuff either, although I’ve wanted to many times. Some of the… So this is separate. That’s an interesting point for sure. The other thing I wanted to bring up that I forgot that came back to me was people talking about genetic and epigenetic markers for food noise, which isn’t something that we can track. I don’t know why. It’s a subjective experience. Obviously, these drugs help with thinking about food less, craving less. There are things we can do that aren’t drug related to help on that front too, which you’ve done over the years, you’ve helped clients with, obviously. Hearing people say to the effect of, well, my food noise is genetically astronomical, essentially, but then knowing that that individual is a daily marijuana user, I’m like, you don’t have genetically high food noise. You’re stoned. You want to eat the whole thing of ice cream because you just smoked a blunt. That’s an interesting place.  

0:38:01.7 Jordan Syatt: That’s where… And I even said the other day, I made a separate post. I was like, what did I say? Let me pull this up real quick just so I can pull the quote exactly. I said, I believe GLP-1s can be an incredible life-saving tool for many people, and I also believe many people are too quick to start taking GLP-1s before giving a standard exercise and nutrition plan hard, consistent effort. Where it’s like, you can believe both at the same time. They can be an amazing tool for many, many people, and many people are likely to jump on them too quickly before they fucking do anything whatsoever. If you’re getting stoned all the time and having the munchies, it’s like, all right, how about we work on stop smoking weed? So then before we jump to the GLP-1.

0:38:44.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Same with TRT. We see this all the time.

0:38:48.7 Mike Vacanti: Yes.

0:38:48.8 Mike Vacanti: Someone who basically isn’t sleeping enough, isn’t getting outside, nutrition isn’t dialed, has 30, 40 pounds of body fat to lose, 35-year-old dude, and he’s like, my test is only 260, what’s going on? Not lifting heavy. It’s like, well, here are all these things you can do to improve your testosterone levels. I’m just going to take the TRT. I think that it makes more sense to do what you can naturally, to exhaust your natural options before taking the next step with any of these drugs. All right. Number two.

0:39:29.8 Jordan Syatt: My daughter turns one today.

0:39:31.7 Mike Vacanti: Let’s go. Let’s go.

0:39:32.7 Jordan Syatt: Youngest daughter turns one today.

0:39:35.0 Mike Vacanti: I didn’t realize it was her birthday. When’s your other daughter’s birthday?

0:39:38.3 Jordan Syatt: The end of this month. The end of this month. Yeah. So turns one years old today, which is crazy.

0:39:43.7 Mike Vacanti: Happy birthday to…

0:39:45.9 Jordan Syatt: Slim Jim. 

0:39:46.7 Mike Vacanti: Jordan’s youngest daughter. 

0:39:49.0 Jordan Syatt: Slim Jim.Yeah, dude. It’s crazy. It’s crazy. It goes by fast. Goes by very, very fast.

0:39:57.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Give me some advice.

0:39:58.9 Jordan Syatt: Advice. I think I only… Listen, I told you a couple pieces of advice. One was to get the night nurse, which…

0:40:08.2 Mike Vacanti: I didn’t do it. I thought she was going to like steal my child while I was asleep. 

0:40:12.8 Jordan Syatt: And then like a month or a month and a half in, you were like, what did you call it? You called it like a critical error. You’re like, I should have gotten it.

0:40:20.3 Mike Vacanti: It was a critical error. Those first eight weeks.

0:40:23.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Brutal. And you don’t need them every night, just a couple nights a week just to help. But anyway, so that would be the number one piece of advice for new parents. But the other one is I didn’t know it with my first. By the time I had my second, I was like, okay, this is definitely… I get it now. And God willing, if we have another, I’ll really appreciate it. But the amount of times that you get to hold your baby as they sleep on your chest is very few. The total number of times that your baby will sleep on your chest and you just get to hold them as they sleep there. I wish I could come up with a number of actually how many times it is. But it’s not many total number of times.

0:41:07.1 Mike Vacanti: At what age did Jim stop doing that? By the way, I completely forgot her Internet name.

0:41:14.3 Jordan Syatt: Slim Jim.

0:41:15.2 Mike Vacanti: I didn’t forget her. I know you said it, but I didn’t know what to call her. I wasn’t going to dox her.

0:41:23.1 Jordan Syatt: So my oldest, old Abe, she stopped doing that by, I think by six months. It was just completely, she was squirming. And there were a couple of times around that six month timeframe where she would still do it, but it was basically done by about six months where she was just like moving and rolling, da-da-da. Slim Jim, it was probably around the same. She’ll still occasionally, occasionally do it, but she’s moving and squirming so much that I think around that, between that five and seven month timeframe, it’s just over for the vast majority of time. So the best thing is just every chance you get to just have them lay on your chest and sleep is just, oh my gosh, it’s the best. Enjoy that. That’s the only advice.

0:42:15.0 Mike Vacanti: Thank you. I’m going to listen this time. I’m actually going to listen because sometimes there’s a temptation to like, okay, she’s asleep. Let me try and get her down in the bassinet so I can do X, Y, Z thing. But it’s like, you know what? Just chill. Let’s just lay here.

0:42:30.4 Jordan Syatt: You know that graph of like how much time you spend with your parents?

0:42:33.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Made me move to Minnesota.

0:42:35.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. So it’s that, but now you’re on the other side of it. So now you’re not the kid, now you’re the parent. And so I think about it from like how many times do I get to have her sleep on my chest? And every time I’m like, oh my gosh, is this the last time? Is this the last time? So it’s, yeah. Enjoy that.

0:42:54.5 Mike Vacanti: It’s good advice. Happy birthday, Slim Jim.

0:42:57.3 Jordan Syatt: Number two on your list.

0:42:59.4 Mike Vacanti: So the first pick in the NFL draft just had an awesome like reel that I caught. I don’t even know why I put it in here. I think I just wrote it down. I’ll let David run it here, but I’ll play it for you. 

0:43:13.3 Chris Vernon: He’s there at 5:00 AM every single day, and they have to kick him out at night. And yesterday he was talking about how the team’s mid, and I’m mid, and everybody’s got to get better, whatever. But this is them asking him about getting to the facility so early.

0:43:27.4 Cam Ward: I said yesterday, I’ve grown up, watched my dad wake up at 4:30 doing a job he didn’t like. So if I can’t wake up early and do what I need to do for a job I do like, I shouldn’t be playing football. And that goes for everybody in the locker room. If you can’t have the expectation for yourself that you want to be a good or a great player and want to put the work in, I just think that’s how it should go. I just think good things only come to those who work. 

0:43:50.5 Chris Vernon: Bro.

0:43:50.6 Jordan Syatt: I love that. I love that. What a head nod to his father, like a tip of the hat while also being like just inspirational, intelligent, just what a very poignant speech from that young man. Well done.

0:44:07.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, yeah. You love to hear it.

0:44:08.8 Jordan Syatt: What’s his name?

0:44:09.9 Mike Vacanti: Cam Ward.

0:44:11.1 Jordan Syatt: Cam Ward.

0:44:12.0 Mike Vacanti: Tennessee Titans quarterback.

0:44:13.5 Jordan Syatt: Tennessee Titans. Okay. Awesome. Yeah, good for him. That was well done. It reminds me of like something Kobe Bryant would say.  Just like the work ethic of a Kobe Bryant. 

0:44:25.5 Mike Vacanti: And the gratitude of like my dad did this for a job he hated. If I can’t do this for a job that I love I don’t deserve this.

0:44:34.9 Jordan Syatt: He’s so likable.

0:44:35.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, yeah.

0:44:36.8 Jordan Syatt: Good for him. 

0:44:38.1 Mike Vacanti: All right. Number three. 

0:44:39.2 Jordan Syatt: I’m quitting Instagram.

0:44:40.1 Mike Vacanti: No way. 

0:44:41.6 Jordan Syatt: Dude, so I wrote this…

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0:44:42.5 Mike Vacanti: No way. Brother. It’s glorious.

0:44:47.6 Jordan Syatt: I wrote this during like the heat of like so much nonsense going on on Instagram. And I was like, I’m done. And it’s funny. I even texted James Smith because he’s basically… He hasn’t quit but he barely post at all anymore. And I was asking him like… Because he still runs his coaching business and da-da-da. I was like, man, does it still do well?

0:45:11.0 Mike Vacanti: Are you making money?

0:45:12.6 Jordan Syatt: Because he has so many other businesses now. Like he’s got Nutonic with… What’s his name?

0:45:18.8 Mike Vacanti: Chris. 

0:45:19.3 Jordan Syatt: Chris, what’s his last name? Chris. 

0:45:21.1 Mike Vacanti: Williamson. 

0:45:21.7 Jordan Syatt: Williamson. Yeah, Chris Williamson. Chris Williamson. So he’s got Nutonic. He’s got a number of different businesses. And I was… Basically, he was like, yeah like it doesn’t do as well because I’m not posting as much anymore. But he’s got a bunch of other things. And I’m closer than ever. I’m closer than I’ve ever been to quitting Instagram.

0:45:43.4 Mike Vacanti: Can I read one of my things that piggybacks on this?

0:45:46.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:45:46.9 Mike Vacanti: This was from the day you posted your GLP-1 guide.

0:45:52.0 Jordan Syatt: Oh, yeah, yeah. 

0:45:52.9 Mike Vacanti: You said, I have thousands of new email subs. Or maybe you didn’t say this, but this is what was happening. There’s overwhelming positive support for the video. And all Jordan can think about is eviscerating the two people who didn’t like the video. My daughter’s climbing all over me while I rage type replies to comments. It ruined my bedtime…

0:46:12.5 Jordan Syatt: Did I say that?

0:46:13.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Ruined my bedtime with my girls, which is so crazy because it’s like you almost think it’ll get better. You almost think you’ll get to the point where when you’re first starting out, you start to get a few positive replies. And it’s like, it’s good, it’s good. And you start to get more feedback. And you enjoy the positive. But then you get the one negative, and that’s all you can focus on.

0:46:41.8 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:46:42.1 Mike Vacanti: Apparently you’re 13, 14 years into this Internet game, and apparently that still exists.

0:46:49.7 Jordan Syatt: You know what it is? A lot of it is people either deliberately misinterpreting or just misrepresenting what the actual message is. And I’m just fucking tired of it. I’m tired… Dude, I’m fucking tired of it. And then put on top of it, people who like you would consider close to you, who are now talking shit and not being who you thought they were. And it’s like, just fucking call me. 

0:47:23.9 Mike Vacanti: For sure. But this was before that. This was just for the guide.

0:47:27.6 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that’s true. Yeah, well, yeah. That’s true.

0:47:29.7 Mike Vacanti: But it got worse, obviously. 

0:47:32.4 Jordan Syatt: And that’s when I said, I’m quitting Instagram when it got worse.

0:47:35.7 Mike Vacanti: I see.

0:47:35.7 Jordan Syatt: I was like, fuck these people. I’m out. I don’t need any more people. I’m done. I’m good with the Inner Circle. I’m good with the mentorship. Yeah. I’m good. I don’t need any of this shit. Spending thousands and thousands of dollars and countless hours creating free helpful content for people. Like, are you out of your fucking mind? So I’m just like, I’m tired of it. And I’m not leaving yet.

0:48:02.0 Mike Vacanti: But where there’s smoke there’s fire.

0:48:03.8 Jordan Syatt: I’m the closest I’ve ever been to just be like, I’m done. 

0:48:08.1 Mike Vacanti: And by the way, I know Jordan very well. The closest he’s ever been isn’t that close. So if you really like his Instagram content, you’re safe. You’re okay. I would be shocked if it happened even within the next couple of years. 

0:48:24.8 Jordan Syatt: Dude, I think it might happen within the next month.

0:48:26.7 Mike Vacanti: You used to take… I was going to bring this up in the GLP-1 discussion about any potential correlation in you when you started taking it until now. I think you definitely work more than you did before, which might be unrelated, right? It could just… But you used to take more, not breaks, but there would be times where you just posted way less frequently. Like, you grind. I don’t think people understand how often you’re recording podcasts, hosting, a little bit of travel here and there for podcasts. You’re doing a lot.

0:49:01.6 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, kids’ workouts, Inner Circle, mentorship. No, there’s a lot. There’s been a lot that’s been added to the plate.

0:49:09.2 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:49:09.5 Jordan Syatt: But, I mean, I enjoy it. But if I could stop posting on Instagram, that’d be great.

0:49:16.4 Mike Vacanti: It’d be great.

0:49:17.2 Jordan Syatt: The podcast is my favorite. This podcast, it’s just… And then also the kids’ workouts. I enjoy that, too. That’s fun. That getting messages with people’s kids doing it. And then dude, I get messages from parents who are or even just adults who are like I don’t have kids, but I do these workouts because I don’t know where to start.

0:49:36.2 Mike Vacanti: Nice.

0:49:36.8 Jordan Syatt: Which is awesome.

0:49:38.2 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yeah, fewer kids deliberately misinterpreting your message and rage-typing YouTube comments, I would imagine.

0:49:48.1 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:49:49.4 Mike Vacanti: All right, you pick… Or, four.

0:49:51.6 Jordan Syatt: Oh, this was super interesting. This is back on the GuLP-1, GLP-1 conversation. I asked AI, how many people are using creatine in the United States, any and all forms? And I said, how many people in the US are using GLP-1s, any and all forms? And because a lot of these people who are hating on it, I don’t think they realize how many fucking people are taking these things. I don’t think they get it. And I was what can I use as a way to put into their fucking skulls how common these things are? And so AI was listen, this creatine is a big range because I can’t definitively say, but a range of between two million to six million people in the US are using GLP-1s, which is… 

0:50:48.5 Mike Vacanti: No, are using creatine.

0:50:49.3 Jordan Syatt: Sorry, creatine, excuse me. Yeah, two million to six million using creatine, which is the most popular and the most studied supplement in the fitness industry. The most popular, the most studied, and arguably the most effective supplement in the fitness industry, two to six million. GLP-1s, currently at least 15 million that we know of, at least. And I don’t know if that’s including compounded… 

0:51:14.2 Mike Vacanti: That was May of 24, I believe.

0:51:16.2 Jordan Syatt: And I don’t think that’s including people who are getting it from compounded pharmacies. I think that’s just the standard version. And there are a lot of people getting it from compounded pharmacies, myself included. And then over 30 million lifetime users in total, who have used GLP-1s. So on the high end of creatine use… 

0:51:40.8 Mike Vacanti: 5x. 

0:51:41.5 Jordan Syatt: And on the low end, 2x. On the low end.

0:51:44.2 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yeah, which the creatine is lower than I would have guessed, given how popular it is. That’s actually interesting. You know what? I think when I first heard that GLP-1 number, I was more surprised. But given the percentage of Americans who are overweight or obese and their effectiveness in helping with weight loss and improving health markers as a result now it makes more sense to me. But yes, I was shocked when I first heard that number. So that makes sense.

0:52:20.6 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, I just found it super interesting. And when I put that up there, I put that on my story, a lot of the coaches were like, they’ve heard the number 15 million, but the context of how many are using creatine versus how many are using that.

0:52:35.5 Mike Vacanti: Jordan anchored it. That’s some Chris Voss wizardry right there.

0:52:38.7 Jordan Syatt: Let’s make you be very acutely aware of what we’re dealing with right now. 

0:52:46.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, yeah. You know what that reminded me of? The way you just said, let’s be very acutely aware. I think if you could find a way to let some of the negative comments/DMs roll off your back, you might enjoy Instagram more.

0:53:08.7 Jordan Syatt: Well, of course. That’s the most obvious thing. 

0:53:13.3 Mike Vacanti: No. Is it?

0:53:13.4 Jordan Syatt: I’ll tell you what. If you could find a way to eat less, you’d end up losing weight. 

0:53:18.5 Mike Vacanti: No, no, no, no, no, no. That’s not the same. That’s not the same.

0:53:20.9 Jordan Syatt: It’s the same.

0:53:22.1 Mike Vacanti: Because a lot of people, a lot of big creators, this isn’t a knock, but a lot of big creators don’t like spend an hour like making someone know that they are wrong in a DM conversation. Like you’re walking out of here knowing that you are incorrect.

0:53:46.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, dude, I’ve got genetics for pettiness. It’s just, I’ve got the petty gene.

0:53:53.3 Mike Vacanti: That’s funny.

0:53:54.9 Jordan Syatt: I could have been a lawyer. That’s what my mom says all the time. I could have been a lawyer.

0:53:57.9 Mike Vacanti: What’s number six?

0:53:59.0 Jordan Syatt: Raw milk.

0:53:59.9 Mike Vacanti: Should we save that one?

0:54:00.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, we’ll save it.

0:54:02.4 Mike Vacanti: We’ll save it. A little teaser. If you want to hear about raw milk, we can put that in the title next week too. GLP-1 this week, raw milk next week. We might even send these to the email list. We might start running this like a real business after six years. 

0:54:12.4 Jordan Syatt: That’d be crazy.

0:54:13.5 Mike Vacanti: Doubtful. Doubtful. Work-life balance.

0:54:16.1 Jordan Syatt: I remember, and maybe think of when Gary, I remember he went on social media once and it must have been 2015, 2016 or something. He went on Instagram and he has a huge Instagram, but it was like… He had like one of the biggest at the time and he went on social media. He was like, this is my side hustle. This is what I do for fun. He’s like, I’ve got a whole other hundreds of businesses and he’s like, I do Instagram for fun. And he’s like, it made me think of that. I might start treating this like a real business.

0:54:52.2 Mike Vacanti: And he was right, by the way. People didn’t understand because we had access to his calendar. I still do.

0:54:58.6 Jordan Syatt: Still do.

0:54:59.5 Mike Vacanti: The majority of his day, both at the time and now are like running his actual businesses. They’re not making content. And obviously he has people help him with his content. So you can’t compare… If you’re a fitness coach, you’re a solopreneur, you can’t compare yourself. But like 90 plus percent of his day is meetings with running real business.

0:55:26.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yeah. It’s not… Social media is the side hustle. It is. It’s more just like, he just loves it. It’s like that. And then he also spends time doing garage selling, which is one of the wildest things ever where it’s like, I’m just going to go and haggle with these people to try and get more of these like figurines or Disney things because I could sell it for like $15 on eBay.

0:55:50.7 Mike Vacanti: I think it was… I think there’s nostalgia from doing it as a kid when the money really mattered. And then the series, which actually helped people who were in the position that he used to be in and just like a fun family. 

0:56:05.2 Jordan Syatt: And some legitimately helpful content where it’s like, hey, if you’re struggling, go do this.

0:56:08.6 Mike Vacanti: Zero to one. Yeah. Yeah. Which is so crucial. I mean, we talk about that on the personal finance side of things all the time. Like having some cash reserves is unbelievably useful for business and life. Yeah. All right. That’s a good place to… It’s a good place to call it. We got a mentorship Q&A here shortly. Good episode. Subscribe YouTube if you’re not already. We love podcast reviews, helps the pod. We’re here weekly, Tuesday uploads. Shout out David. Jordan, you got anything?

0:56:39.2 Jordan Syatt: If you’re one of the people talking shit and you think that…

0:56:42.9 Mike Vacanti: And you made it this far in the episode.

0:56:44.4 Jordan Syatt: If you’re one of the people talking shit and you made this far in fun of the episode. And you have my phone number. Yes, I’m talking about you. Call me. Let’s have a fucking conversation like adults.

0:56:53.8 Mike Vacanti: This is like some WWE drama.

0:56:55.8 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, fuck them. I’m not giving any hints as to who it is, but if you’re talking shit and you have my phone number, yes, I’m talking about you. Call me. Let’s have you a conversation. All right. Everyone else, please leave five-star review on iTunes.

0:57:10.1 Mike Vacanti: Everyone else, we love you.

0:57:12.1 Jordan Syatt: Leave five-star review. Have a wonderful week. We’ll talk to you soon.