Episode 244: Long Term Health Consequences of Chronic Stress, Jordan’s New Sleeping Arrangement, Charlie Sheen, and More…

0:00:11.7 Mike Vacanti: Hello, Jordan.

0:00:12.3 Jordan Syatt: What’s up, Michael?

0:00:13.2 Mike Vacanti: Do you have your three things?

0:00:14.6 Jordan Syatt: No.

0:00:15.0 Mike Vacanti: Then we are beginning with the importance of assimilation after immigrating. I’m just kidding. I’m just kidding. [chuckle] How are you doing, brother? I mean, it is important objectively, I think we all know that. Left, right, center, I think we all know that. But how are you, Jordan?

0:00:33.2 Jordan Syatt: I’m exhausted, brother. How are you? 

0:00:36.6 Mike Vacanti: Why are you exhausted?

0:00:39.0 Jordan Syatt: I tried to sleep in the sukkah last night.

0:00:41.1 Mike Vacanti: Oh, nice.

0:00:41.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. It was great. It was great, but it was like a catch 22 in numerous ways. So, number one, it was great because I was outside, fresh air, crickets were making their noises, and the neighbors have horses, so they’re like, brr brr.

0:00:59.2 Mike Vacanti: Why don’t you quickly say what a sukkah is? Because I think many won’t know.

0:01:02.4 Jordan Syatt: It’s like a structure that you build that… Oh, and my daughter just came in. I should have locked the door. 

0:01:17.1 Old Abe: Hi…

0:01:17.2 NeeNee: You need to lock the door.

0:01:17.1 Mike Vacanti: All right. I’ll lock the door. We’re recording. You want to say hi?

0:01:19.7 Old Abe: Hi uncle Mike.

0:01:20.1 Mike Vacanti: Hello. Hello. You could be on the podcast. 

0:01:24.8 Old Abe: I wanna say hi to Uncle Mike.

0:01:25.9 Mike Vacanti: You can come say hi.

0:01:26.8 Jordan Syatt: Okay. One more time. One more, say hi.

0:01:29.0 Old Abe: Hi, Uncle Mike.

0:01:27.8 Mike Vacanti: How are you? Are you playing?

0:01:32.1 NeeNee: It’s actually so bad, I’m so sorry.

0:01:32.7 Mike Vacanti: Okay. No worries. 

0:01:34.3 NeeNee: Can you make sure you lock the door, please?

0:01:35.2 Jordan Syatt: This is all staying on the podcast. I’ll lock the door.

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0:01:39.0 Mike Vacanti: Amazing.

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0:01:47.7 Jordan Syatt: I never lock the door. I just don’t like how it feels to lock a door against my family. And you can hear her in the background now, trying to get in. So, I never lock. It just feels weird. But lately she’s been storming in when I’m doing anything. So my wife is like, you got.to lock the door. 

0:02:09.7 Mike Vacanti: That was good. And that was cute.

0:02:10.9 Jordan Syatt: It’s a little structure that you build. There’s Jewish tradition. But it’s like a tent, for lack of a better term.

0:02:20.2 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Like a big tent is how I on the outside saw it.

0:02:24.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. And it has the covering. It has a roof. But it’s like one of the rules or laws is, it has to be like, you should be able to see the sky, so you have to see the stars and everything. So it’s not fully enclosed. Bugs can get in and whatnot. So I was like, yeah, I’m going to sleep out there and get close to God, close to nature, and it was actually really nice. And I’m out there, and the bugs are intense. There’s a lot of bugs out. But also, it’s… Man, when I was younger, I would go Camping. And I slept on the beach. I’ve slept in the woods, all of it. And I brought my wrestling mats out there to put on the ground so I could have a little bit of padding. Dude, by 3 A.M. my back was just not having it.

0:03:25.2 Mike Vacanti: We’re not that young anymore.

0:03:27.0 Jordan Syatt: Unbelievable. And, I mean, there are people who camp much older than I am. I don’t know how they do it.

0:03:34.1 Mike Vacanti: Air mattresses.

0:03:35.1 Jordan Syatt: You think so?

0:03:36.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:03:36.7 Jordan Syatt: Interesting.

0:03:37.5 Mike Vacanti: No one, I mean, unless they’re like… Maybe you get used to it over time and frequency, but when you’ve been sleeping on a bed for years and decades to go straight to basically the ground…

0:03:50.6 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I’m a side sleeper. In my head, I was like, I’ll just sleep on my back. I’ll sleep on my back. Is there any problem? Nope. Just couldn’t sleep on my back. So I’d go on my side and then shoulder.

0:04:00.2 Mike Vacanti: Wait. It’s well enclosed and protected, other than the space in the roof. Right?

0:04:05.4 Jordan Syatt: No. I mean, it’s loose. So things can sneak in the bottom. There were crickets everywhere.

0:04:12.1 Mike Vacanti: That doesn’t concern me. Snakes are what concern me in Texas.

0:04:15.6 Jordan Syatt: They could get in if they wanted to. But typically…

0:04:21.3 Mike Vacanti: Can you secure the bottom? 

0:04:21.5 Jordan Syatt: I was grokking it. I was like, what’s the likelihood of being bit by a really bad snake or spider? And grok was like, ah, listen, it’s a concern, but it’s not that big of a deal, especially if you keep it lit. And so we have these lights up. And I was like, I’ll just keep the lights on. So I couldn’t sleep ’cause the lights were on.

0:04:43.6 Mike Vacanti: So my sleep quality was down.

0:04:45.4 Jordan Syatt: Dude. Yeah. Horrible, horrible, horrible. So then eventually, after many hours out there, I’m like, I’m just gonna go in. And my daughter, the oldest one who just bombarded the podcast, she has a bed in her room, but she still sleeps in the crib. And I didn’t want to go in my bedroom, because I didn’t want to wake my wife up. And so I was like, I’m just going to go into her room. So I go in, and then like two hours later, she wakes up and she’s like, abba, abba, abba, abba. So like, hey, all right, let’s come in. So she comes in the bed, and then after that there’s just no sleep. I could tell she was moving, and I thought she was gonna go to bed and I opened my eyes to see what she’s doing and she’s like waving her hand furiously in front of my face with a huge… She has a big smile, but she’s like this, right in front of my face. And I was like, “What are you doing? ” And she was like, “I’m drawing.” And she was pretending to color my face.

0:05:45.4 Mike Vacanti: What time was this?

0:05:47.2 Jordan Syatt: Early. I don’t know, like five. 

0:05:51.0 Mike Vacanti: And you didn’t go back to bed after?

0:05:52.6 Jordan Syatt: No.

0:05:53.0 Mike Vacanti: Well, this is where you dig deep. This is where feelings are unimportant and execution is the game.

0:06:02.2 Jordan Syatt: Yep. So that’s it, bro. I’m good.

0:06:04.4 Mike Vacanti: You’re disproportionately good at acting in a way that’s different than how you feel.

0:06:11.1 Jordan Syatt: I think that’s accurate. I can put on a face…

0:06:12.4 Mike Vacanti: You can put on a face much better than most.

0:06:16.0 Jordan Syatt: Much better than you. That’s for sure. I don’t know about most.

0:06:18.7 Mike Vacanti: Absolutely better than most. 

0:06:21.5 Jordan Syatt: You don’t have a face. Whatever you’re feeling, that’s what you get.

0:06:24.6 Mike Vacanti: Disagree. Disagree. Never disagreed more, actually.

0:06:33.7 Jordan Syatt: Really?

0:06:33.9 Mike Vacanti: I put on a face every time we pod. You think I want to be making content right now? Absolutely not. You think I like the internet? Get out of here, bro. I’m showing up with my lunch pail this one hour every single week.

0:06:49.8 Jordan Syatt: I hate you. I never want to talk to you. I put on a face every time.

0:06:51.4 Mike Vacanti: No. Nothing to do with you. Love talking to you, but yeah, you do look tired.

0:06:56.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I got those bags. Yeah. It’s the sleeping on the hard ground, even with the mats. 

0:07:01.7 Mike Vacanti: You can’t side sleep on the hard ground.

0:07:03.9 Jordan Syatt: I can’t believe…

0:07:04.6 Mike Vacanti: What did you do? Did you go to stomach?

0:07:06.4 Jordan Syatt: No. No. I just went from back to side to side, back, side, side. 

0:07:11.7 Mike Vacanti: Did you have a pillow? 

0:07:12.3 Jordan Syatt: I had two pillows.

0:07:12.9 Mike Vacanti: What were their positions?

0:07:14.3 Jordan Syatt: Not your optimal six pillow solution.

0:07:17.6 Mike Vacanti: Let’s hear it.

0:07:18.4 Jordan Syatt: They were just both under my head.

0:07:19.8 Mike Vacanti: Okay. Yeah. Sounds suboptimal. Are you going to do it again?

0:07:23.3 Jordan Syatt: I need to figure out a way to make it more comfortable, especially as…

0:07:26.8 Mike Vacanti: Get an air mattress.

0:07:27.6 Jordan Syatt: I’ll have to get an air mattress. Yeah, I’ll get an air mattress.

0:07:31.0 Mike Vacanti: That will help.

0:07:31.8 Jordan Syatt: Like we slept on in the Hamptons.

0:07:34.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Those were nice air mattresses. Those were, right? I got some good sleep stomach.

0:07:39.5 Jordan Syatt: I don’t know, dude. Because I definitely didn’t feel great. I remember you being like, man, my back. I don’t know if you remember that, but I feel like now if I tried to sleep on those, it would probably be somewhat similar.

0:07:50.7 Mike Vacanti: What’s the…

0:07:53.1 Jordan Syatt: It was almost 10 years ago. 

0:07:55.0 Mike Vacanti: That famous boxers quote, can’t be world champ if you’re sleeping in silk sheets, something like that. 

0:08:02.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. It’s so true.

0:08:03.4 Mike Vacanti: All right. So we’re not going to talk about the importance of maintaining culture and not trying to bring the culture that you’re running away from into the new country. I assume you don’t want to discuss that.

0:08:16.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, I’d rather not when I’m exhausted. We can save that for another episode.

0:08:21.8 Mike Vacanti: It is important though, you’ll agree.

0:08:23.5 Jordan Syatt: So you’re forcing me to talk about it?

0:08:29.3 Mike Vacanti: No, no, no. All right, I can’t prove this, but did you happen to see the Chris Williamson health update thing?

0:08:38.1 Jordan Syatt: No.

0:08:38.6 Mike Vacanti: I’m not even going to be able to do a good job of summarizing it. I watched half of it. It’s a 40 minute YouTube video, maybe less than half, but he has a whole host of health issues that have been going on over the last year.

0:08:52.4 Jordan Syatt: That’s not good.

0:08:53.8 Mike Vacanti: Autoimmune stuff, mold.

0:08:57.0 Jordan Syatt: Is he okay?

0:09:02.0 Mike Vacanti: I’m not really sure. My takeaway was that his brain is functioning suboptimally and he feels like he doesn’t have his wit and his quickness and he’s not as sharp on the podcast. And then he’s getting really down on himself about not being able to perform with his mind at a high level.

0:09:18.3 Jordan Syatt: That’s scary.

0:09:19.4 Mike Vacanti: Yep. Did you see JP? I don’t know, has some kind of health issues and he’s not…

0:09:28.6 Jordan Syatt: I did. I saw a post from his Instagram. I feel like it was either Michaela or someone posted that he’s been really, really bad. That he’s had a really bad… I didn’t dive deep into it, but I did see that. I saw him in a bed.

0:09:41.7 Mike Vacanti: Okay. I didn’t even see that. Other names who I won’t mention who are not in the public light and less severe health issues with this common through line of chronic stress being a massive contributor to a whole host of health issues. And I can’t prove this, but is that chronic stress is, if you add up direct and indirect effects, and an indirect effect of chronic stress could be chronic stress leading to using food to compensate, which has downstream negative health consequences. So directly or indirectly, chronic stress is the biggest killer in the West right now.

0:10:30.8 Jordan Syatt: I do. I completely agree with that.

0:10:32.6 Mike Vacanti: And I actually, because there was no mention of it through… I don’t even want to go into the single example too heavily, but meaning talking about Chris, who I don’t know, and I just know from his podcast, but his solution to it was like even more type A, hire a whole team of doctors, like wake up in the middle of the night and do blood tests, do all this crazy stuff. And then even hearing him talk about it, I just want to goggins my way out of it. I just want to work through this. It seems so obvious that the opposite is what is most beneficial.

0:11:20.5 Jordan Syatt: He needs time away. 

0:11:21.2 Mike Vacanti: Which I understand for a type A, for a perfectionist, for someone who works incredibly hard. And I know that he was greatly positively impacted by Jordan Peterson, which was the reason he started his podcast was consuming his content. He was a party boy, nightlife kind of guy and was like, no, I want to carry my cross, make something to myself, take on maximal load, maximal meaning, maximal responsibility. There’s a balance, otherwise the physical body breaks down, is my, I don’t know, peanut gallery. I’m trying to apply this more broadly, but I’m doing a bad job because I’m just talking about him right now. But I think that chronic stress is a massive, massive killer in our society right now.

0:12:07.5 Jordan Syatt: So I completely agree with that. I also want to just give another potential reason why his stress might be up. And I’ve never spoken with him. I don’t know him. Seems like a wonderful dude. So this is all speculation and conjecture. So I actually go to his YouTube for inspiration on especially like thumbnails for my podcast. Like, oh, that was a really good one. I’ll use it as inspiration. And I’ve noticed that more recently, over the last handful of months, his YouTube views have not been where they’ve been historically. They’ve been much lower. And part of me wonders, is his stress and anxiety about life in general, at least partly due to fewer views, not as not as much engagement. And I’ve seen this happen with creators in general, as soon as they have huge audiences, and then it seems like people might be losing interest. All of a sudden, they take that on as a personal, either people don’t like me, is my business going to fail? Am I losing sponsorship money, da da da da da. And again, all speculation. I have no clue what overall downloads are.

0:13:29.0 Jordan Syatt: I’m just purely going off based on YouTube. But I do know that that can take a real toll on someone, especially if he has a huge team, which he does, spending a lot of money. Your entire business is built around, are people still listening to you. And so if that is causing other forms of stress, which is a major chronic stress, and then then feeling like, oh, my gosh, maybe people aren’t listening to me because I haven’t been as sharp or as witty, my conversations haven’t been as good. It reinforces that idea. I don’t know. This is all, again, made up based on I heard you say, and then it made me think about realizing that his views were lower than what I’ve seen historically. I wonder if that could be contributing to his stress. But to your point specifically, and I just had a cancer specialist, Dr. Krystle Zuniga on my podcast yesterday, and I brought this up. I was like, we were talking about all the different potential causes of cancer. And she gave so much wonderful insight. But I was like, what do you think about stress causing cancer, just chronic stress?

0:14:39.5 Jordan Syatt: And she was very careful and deliberate with how she answered being like, we don’t really fully know all of the causes. But she did allude to saying that, yeah, I think chronic stress could be a major contributor, whether it be direct or indirect through, as you said, behaviors that happen as a result or even lack of sleep, for example. Lack of sleep leading to a host of other… Increasing the likelihood of all that. And obviously, Chris doesn’t struggle with obesity, I don’t know about alcohol. I don’t think he drinks, but I might be wrong. But that they’re major contributors.

0:15:14.9 Mike Vacanti: I know he took years off of drinking.

0:15:16.8 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I mean, not struggling with obesity, not drinking alcohol, probably not smoking either. All of these are the largest contributors of cancer. But then from there, chronic stress, I very much believe. And this is one of the things I was talking about. I was like, what is cancer? And got a really wonderful answer about what it is. Literally, it’s our own cells. It’s our own cells that you get one mutation that then can rapidly proliferate. But it’s like, that’s one of the reasons why it’s so hard to fight cancer, because it’s your own body attacking itself. And it makes sense to me that if you are under chronic stress all the time, that there would be changes happening on a molecular level or on a cellular level that are not good for you.

0:16:13.3 Mike Vacanti: And I’ve heard you talk about a lot of the things that are associated with longevity. If you look at blue zones, or if you look at populations that live a very long time, and some of the social community, non-workaholism type of behaviors that seem to be correlated with longer both lifespan and healthspan, so function in those later years, has to do with community, but basically non-stress, lack of chronic stress.

0:16:53.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I’m trying to do more of that in-person community. That’s a major health focus right now, which is like… I just think that’s equally important as daily movement.

0:17:07.9 Mike Vacanti: Especially when what community is filling in for, for a lot of people, or what it is the opposite of, is isolation and chronic internet consumption.

0:17:17.8 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Completely agree.

0:17:19.2 Mike Vacanti: Which is not only physiologically screwing with the pleasure pain balance in the brain, but is also radicalizing us. I think it’s safe to say the more… There’s a one-to-one linear response in time spent consuming on the internet and radicalization of beliefs and opinions. 

0:17:47.6 Jordan Syatt: That is the most almost obvious thing to me. It makes total sense.

0:17:53.3 Mike Vacanti: And community fills that gap. It’s hard when you’re like… And I empathize for a young guy or young girl who doesn’t have a lot of friends, doesn’t have a lot of things to do, has a device and enjoys being at home on their device, doesn’t have a job they like maybe, or doesn’t have a job at all. It’s a rough place to be.

0:18:13.6 Jordan Syatt: I hope he’s okay, man. That’s not fun.

0:18:16.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yeah. Me too, obviously.

0:18:20.3 Jordan Syatt: Where’s your stress level at?

0:18:23.7 Mike Vacanti: Where’s my stress level at right now? Lower than it was three days ago.

0:18:30.8 Jordan Syatt: Are we going into that or no?

0:18:32.5 Mike Vacanti: No. Well, not because I said it… I had a bunch of family in town. We had a lot of house guests and I’m introverted. And so we had a long period of time where there were a lot of people in close quarters. And so that was fun, but also…

0:18:52.2 Jordan Syatt: Difficult.

0:18:53.0 Mike Vacanti: Anyone who’s introverted and has a routine and then you throw a huge wrench in their routine and they go a week without a minute of alone time, they just don’t feel like their normal self and then readjust back to normal in a day or two.

0:19:07.5 Jordan Syatt: Dude, even for me, and I’m extroverted, if I’ve got a bunch of people in my house, it’s tough, dude.

0:19:14.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:19:15.1 Jordan Syatt: Even if I really love the people and I absolutely adore them.

0:19:20.9 Mike Vacanti: Of course.

0:19:21.7 Jordan Syatt: It’s just changing your routine. Yeah. It’s stressful. 

0:19:26.4 Mike Vacanti: Dude, I love my family more than anyone. Going on a family vacation, like I don’t think that I could do a two-week family vacation at this point in my life. A week is kind of… But I forget these things, which is funny. I get real optimistic.

0:19:41.7 Jordan Syatt: You do forget. Yeah.

0:19:43.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. What’s wrong? What’s up with me?

0:19:43.3 Jordan Syatt: You’re always like, it’s going to be great. It’s going to be the best thing ever.

0:19:46.6 Mike Vacanti: It’s like toxic…

0:19:49.4 Jordan Syatt: Positivity. 

0:19:50.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. It’s toxic positivity. What a stupid term, but it’s true. It’s like hopefulness and…Yeah.

0:19:56.6 Jordan Syatt: Your brain forgets. It’s sort of like if you’re dating someone and it’s the worst relationship ever and it’s just like there’s nothing good about it at all. And then you break up and then your brain brings you back to the flashes of laughs or potential moments that might have been enjoyable. And you’re like, well, I should get back together with them. We should do this again. It’s going to be good. We had so much fun together.

0:20:26.7 Mike Vacanti: That’s exactly right. That’s exactly right.

0:20:29.7 Jordan Syatt: The brain is wild. It really can like…

0:20:32.6 Mike Vacanti: But yours doesn’t do that. And by the way, I’m such a hypocrite. And I’m finishing my Clif Bar right now. 

0:20:36.8 Jordan Syatt: Dude, trust me. Don’t even get me started.

0:20:38.4 Mike Vacanti: Two weeks ago, I got mad at Jordan because he was eating during the podcast. 

0:20:41.8 Jordan Syatt: Furious. 

0:20:43.2 Mike Vacanti: Well, in fairness, you planned on eating…

0:20:43.9 Jordan Syatt: Shut the podcast off. 

0:20:47.0 Mike Vacanti: You planned on eating a whole meal throughout the entire episode.

0:20:48.8 Jordan Syatt: It was two protein bars.

0:20:50.8 Mike Vacanti: I said, okay. Well, we’ll wait and you can finish them. And you’re like, nah, this is going to be a while. I was like, okay, what am I supposed to do with that?

0:20:58.1 Jordan Syatt: I don’t want to rush it.

0:21:03.7 Mike Vacanti: How do you consistently remember? Because I’ve even had instances, we’re not going to get into any details where it’s kind of like the ex-girlfriend thing, but with a colleague or a friend or someone who hasn’t really been around. And then I’ll look at that person through rose colored glasses and be like, oh, let’s bring so-and-so back into the mix. And you’re like, really?

0:21:29.4 Jordan Syatt: Oh, it’s crazy. It’s unbelievable. And I’m like, are you high?

0:21:30.3 Mike Vacanti: And then we have an interaction and I’m like, oh, dude, that was a bad idea. You’re like, yeah. What is that? How do you remember? You know what? I think it boils down to fear.

0:21:42.3 Jordan Syatt: Probably. Or fear or anger. Because then there are other times, and we’re not naming anyone, but there are times where you’ll be like, this person’s like, yeah, it was good. And I’ll be like, do you not remember this, this, and this? You’re like, oh, I forgot they did that.

0:21:55.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. That is what happens. Yeah. Rose colored glasses.

0:22:00.6 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Which is, I think it’s good because you really do see the best in people. And be like, they’re a good person. And then you’re like, oh, but I forgot the absolute horrible thing.

0:22:14.3 Mike Vacanti: This and this and this. Yeah. It’s true. It’s true. But I do, I’ll make a rule like, okay, I’m going to try and never go more than a week without being in my routine, sleeping in my own bed. And then three months later, I’m hanging out with the family watching football. I’m like, we should do like a couple weeks in Florida this winter. My mom will be like, are you sure?

[laughter]

0:22:39.7 Jordan Syatt: Nothing’s better than this. Let’s just all move in the same house together.

0:22:46.3 Mike Vacanti: I literally, within the last three months, I’ve pitched multi-generational living to my family. I’m like, guys, let’s get a compound. This is going to be good. It’ll be good for the kids. It’ll be good for everyone. Yeah.

0:23:01.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I need an office. I need my own space.

0:23:05.8 Mike Vacanti: Yes. Yes. Yes. So it’s fear and anger. I need more fear and anger.

0:23:10.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I mean, for some things. I think I have too much and I think you don’t have enough. You’ll have fear or anger for a couple minutes at a time. And in those minutes, they’re my favorite conversations. Because when you’ve got any level of fear or anger, it’s just like you come in hot and you’re like, this is what we need to do. This is what’s going to happen. And then 15 minutes goes by and you’re like, all right, that was cathartic, I think I’m good now.

0:23:40.9 Mike Vacanti: Yes. That’s accurate. I think it’s because relatively to all of human existence, life is so good that we don’t really have anything to be afraid of or mad about.

0:23:55.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yeah.

0:23:57.4 Mike Vacanti: I don’t have a lot on my list. We’re gonna have to dig into your Q & A’s, since clearly you’re not interested.

0:24:04.2 Jordan Syatt: All right. You want to talk about it? Let’s talk about it.

0:24:05.4 Mike Vacanti: No. I don’t want to. I’m a huge fan of legal immigration.

0:24:10.6 Jordan Syatt: In the same breath. I don’t want to, but I’m talking about it. Okay. You’re of Lee. Yeah, of course.

0:24:16.5 Mike Vacanti: All right. What do you think? I made a statement. Give me something, don’t overly nuance this and like…

0:24:23.4 Jordan Syatt: Of course I’m going to overly nuance it. You can’t just black and white this. You’ve got to nuance it. It’s a nuanced conversation.

0:24:32.4 Mike Vacanti: Give the nuance take.

0:24:33.7 Jordan Syatt: Okay. What was your statement? And I’ll go off of that.

0:24:39.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. I’ll give you the statement. I find it at the very least mildly interesting that so often people want to flee countries because of the values and systems and culture that led to negative outcomes and not a good or safe life for those individuals and want to flee to a better life for themselves and their families, which is a very noble human thing to do. But at the same time, sometimes, not always, but sometimes want to go to that other place and then enforce on that new population the same culture, values, beliefs, et cetera, that had led their previous country to be one where they didn’t want to live.

0:25:47.5 Jordan Syatt: Yep. A hundred percent. So let’s talk about assimilation and I’m going to do it from a nuanced perspective. First and foremost, if you’re in the U.S and you’ve traveled outside of the U.S to any country, it doesn’t matter if it’s Mexico, it doesn’t matter if it’s France, it doesn’t matter if it’s Italy, wherever you go. If you don’t speak the native language, you’re going to have a very difficult time. Doesn’t matter where you go. You go to Montreal, there’ll be many people who speak English, but I mean, I’ve been to Montreal and even people who spoke English, they would deliberately speak French. There was this idea of if you were here, then you speak the language that we speak. You go to France, very often the same thing, Mexico, same thing. Anywhere in the world, whatever the native language is, there’s an expectation, and it’s polite. I try and learn phrases when I go there to try and in their language say, I’m sorry, I don’t speak this. Do you happen to know English? I will learn how to say that in that language because I think it’s a polite thing to do. And there should be no expectation on them to speak English.

0:27:17.8 Jordan Syatt: I think that that’s a rude thing to expect from another country, the people in that country. And if they happen to be nice and they happen to know English, amazing, that’s wonderful, but there’s no expectation. From there, what I think is really interesting right now is among Americans, this lack of understanding that America is the most diverse country in the world, bar none. It is not even… There is no other country that, number one, accepts more legal immigrants on an annual basis by far, which is by the way, amazing. It’s incredible. And there’s no other country with nearly as much diversity of nationalities and people from all over the world and languages. 

0:28:19.5 Jordan Syatt: There’s no other country like it. It just doesn’t exist anywhere in any other country. It just doesn’t exist. And just because we are, number one, the most diverse country, and also the most accepting of other cultures, that doesn’t mean we are perfect in any way, shape, or form, but I think that we should understand that, yes, we are the most accepting, we are the most diverse, and there are things we can do to improve. On the other side of the coin, just like with literally any other country… And by the way, Hillary Clinton ran on this, saying that if a literal…this was not a controversial thing to say in the early 2000s, 15, 20 years, not a controversial thing to say. If someone moves here legally, then as Hillary Clinton has said numerous times, as Barack Obama said, we want them to assimilate into our culture. That doesn’t mean believe what we believe from a religious perspective. That’s irrelevant. Constitutionally, it is irrelevant. You can believe whatever you want to believe. But culturally…

0:29:34.1 Mike Vacanti: One of the amazing things about this country.

0:29:35.5 Jordan Syatt: Yes. Believe whatever you want to believe. But culturally, and that’s why as you go through the process of becoming a legal citizen, you have to learn about American history. Learning English is an important part of that, so you can better contribute to our society. If you don’t speak English, then you are inherently limited to contributing to the society inherently, because you’re not speaking the native tongue, which is again, in every single country. This doesn’t give anyone the right to be rude or mean or whatever to someone who’s struggling at all. But it should be a non-controversial statement to say that if someone is moving here, learning English, it should be a major goal of theirs. It should be anyone moving to another country learning the native tongue. And also to your point specifically, people moving here to flee radicalism, to flee danger as a result of the culture from where they are from, assimilating to American culture… The reason they come here is for safety. The reason they come here is for freedom. The reason they come here is so that they can live in peace. And so trying to bring the cultural norms of what you’re fleeing from is inherently anti-American. 

0:31:03.3 Jordan Syatt: And anti-American, it doesn’t mean anti-white. We have Americans of every race, every shape, every religion. American doesn’t mean white. American means American. You are a citizen. If you’re American citizen, you’re American. And that means following the American ideals outlined within the constitution and what we stand for, which is freedom for all. And ironically, that is not the prevailing idea in many of these nations that people will come from. Freedom for all is not what they stand for. And so trying to institute that into American society is a very dangerous precedent that I don’t think the people who are fighting against that, I don’t think they understand what the logical conclusion is. I don’t think they really understand, which is actually why we see a lot of, for example, I’ll give you an example that is closer to my heart and soul, which is we have the very progressives LGBT community aligning with Hamas, which would throw them off a building, which would kill them, which slaughters gay people. They don’t have rights for gay people. It is not allowed. It is illegal, which it’s just the… That’s why I think they’re operating from a place of ignorance, which is just not fully understanding that if you get what you’re fighting for, you die, you lose your freedom. And only then would you realize how good you actually had it.

0:32:48.0 Mike Vacanti: Brother.

0:32:48.7 Jordan Syatt: Was that a good nuance take?

0:32:51.2 Mike Vacanti: That was a phenomenal… You should sleep outside more often on the hard ground. I think it sharpens your mind.

0:33:01.0 Jordan Syatt: It’s just the truth. It’s just the truth.

0:33:03.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. It’s very well said.

0:33:04.6 Jordan Syatt: And it shouldn’t be a controversial thing to say.

0:33:07.4 Mike Vacanti: I don’t think it is actually. I don’t think it is.

0:33:10.1 Jordan Syatt: We’ll see.

0:33:10.8 Mike Vacanti: I mean, over the last year, really, anytime that you and I have gone down a road that we thought might be controversial, the amount of positive feedback we’ve got from listeners is wild. 

0:33:23.0 Jordan Syatt: That’s good. That’s good.

0:33:25.2 Mike Vacanti: So I’m not worried. But with that said, let’s jump into the Q & A.

0:33:29.0 Jordan Syatt: Do you agree or disagree? You have to give your thoughts.

0:33:32.0 Mike Vacanti: I gave my thoughts. I’m black and white. I gave my thoughts. You gave great nuance. I loved the nuance. You are very good at framing and giving context. And I’d be very interested to see your IQ breakdown in terms of verbal fluency versus…

0:33:57.5 Jordan Syatt: Math? 

0:33:59.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, other. But yeah. Speaking of…

0:34:02.4 Jordan Syatt: Speaking of…

[laughter]

0:34:03.8 Mike Vacanti: Yes, yes, yes. Bro, that guy… I was gonna put that on my list. Jordan sent me an Instagram reel of… Do you know his name or his handle?

0:34:15.5 Jordan Syatt: I can find it. 

0:34:16.9 Mike Vacanti: Here, I got it. This guy is hilarious.

0:34:21.2 Jordan Syatt: This is some of the funniest…

0:34:23.1 Mike Vacanti: Sahib, S-A-H-I-B. 

0:34:28.0 Jordan Syatt: Sahib Singh, S-I-N-G-H.

0:34:30.4 Mike Vacanti: He is so funny and so creative. I mean, I told you, it was like the amount of time and effort he must put into each one of these reels is wild, which from a tactical standpoint in 2025 for standing out in this over polluted, over produced, like having too much supply of content, like this is quality. But you sent me the one of him trying to calculate the 20% tip at dinner.

0:35:00.6 Jordan Syatt: I’ve never related to anything more than him trying to calculate… The person that he’s at dinner with is like, yeah, just give him 20%. And he’s sweating trying to do the math on the receipt. And he’s just completely nervous.

0:35:16.2 Mike Vacanti: It shows the calculator and then it shows he’s just punching in all these numbers. And then you see negative 954.3278. It’s just like unbelievable. And did you watch any of the ones I sent you?

0:35:31.8 Jordan Syatt: Not yet. Not yet.

0:35:32.5 Mike Vacanti: You’re the worst. You’re the worst. Because you send me things and I’ll watch them and then I’ll send things back and you’re just like, meh. 

0:35:39.2 Jordan Syatt: No, you’re right. Yeah. I’m sorry. I got to get better at that. I got better at doing that and replying. And yeah, you’re right. 

0:35:45.4 Mike Vacanti: Bro, him sitting in the corner of the bar with this music going on and he’s trying to act cool while his buddy’s talking to this girl. He has so many funny reels.

0:35:57.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I need to watch more of that. It was just the math one. And it was funny because I showed that to my wife and my wife is really good at math. Like she just gets it. Just makes sense to her. She’s like, yeah, I don’t know. Numbers just make sense. I’m like, I don’t know what that means. How can numbers make sense? But she just gets it. Same thing with you. And she was making fun of me because of that. And what did I do yesterday? I did quick math. Oh, I was calculating macros on this new pasta that we have. Oh no, it wasn’t macros on the pasta, which I do want to talk about in a second. It was I was really tired before my workout last night. And so I just got new pre-workout from Legion and it was like 10 P.M. And my wife was like, you’re going to take pre-workout at 10 P.M. And I was like, well, hold on. Let’s look at how much caffeine is in this. I was like, it said 350 milligrams. 350? I was like, oh, but it’s two scoops. So I was like, okay, so that means in one scoop, there’s 125. Half of one scoop, we’ve got like… So I did that whole math and I was like, are you impressed?

0:37:02.3 Mike Vacanti: Like you said exactly that to her?

0:37:04.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:37:05.1 Mike Vacanti: Okay. All right.

0:37:06.1 Jordan Syatt: And she was just like, good math, Jordan. That’s Jordan math.

0:37:15.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. You’re close. You’re close.

0:37:17.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. So I only had half of a scoop, which is like if I had a cup of coffee.

0:37:23.0 Mike Vacanti: I’m confused. Do you know that 125 isn’t half of 350?

0:37:27.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I made that mistake.

0:37:28.3 Mike Vacanti: Okay. All right. Got it. Got it. I couldn’t tell if you were repeating the mistake you made to your wife or if you were like making another mistake as you told the story.

0:37:37.6 Jordan Syatt: No. actually the worst part is that I just realized when you said that, that that’s why she said that because I actually thought that I did it properly in this moment right now. In this moment because I was really proud of myself last night. I was like, yeah, half of it is…

0:37:55.8 Mike Vacanti: You thought she was complimenting you.

0:37:58.0 Jordan Syatt: I thought she was making fun of me like in terms of how hard I worked to really get that. 

0:38:03.6 Mike Vacanti: To get something that’s kind of easy, yeah.

0:38:04.8 Jordan Syatt: But what I now am realizing is that she was making fun of me because I didn’t get it correct and she didn’t tell me that.

0:38:12.6 Mike Vacanti: Honestly, bro, a half of a half of a half, small errors basically round to zero. Whether it was 175 or 125, you take half of that, it’s not affecting your sleep anyway, especially when you’re sleeping on the ground. You could have had four scoops and you weren’t sleeping good. Like it didn’t matter. Could have had no scoops and you were sleeping bad last night.

0:38:34.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Could have had melatonin, could have had anything, wouldn’t have slept. And I wouldn’t have gotten it right mathematically anyway. So either way.

0:38:44.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. You had a real phase in there when you were on the treadmill a bunch.

0:38:49.0 Jordan Syatt: I still do it. I still do it. Eight plus seven, 15, you know what I’m talking about? I would add up the numbers that I’m seeing on the screen and try and get better at my quick math now. I don’t know why, just numbers don’t make sense to me at all.

0:39:05.4 Mike Vacanti: Hey, we’re all different.

0:39:10.5 Jordan Syatt: People listening are like, oh my gosh, he just got half of that wrong.

0:39:14.4 Mike Vacanti: Honestly, that’s an easy mistake. Like I see where you were going with that. 125, 250, 350.

0:39:20.7 Jordan Syatt: My chess game is getting better though.

0:39:22.4 Mike Vacanti: You are getting phenomenal at chess.

0:39:24.3 Jordan Syatt: No, not phenomenal. I’m getting better at chess.

0:39:26.8 Mike Vacanti: You’re getting substantially better at chess by huge multiples. We had a couple of competitive games.

0:39:33.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. And I make one stupid mistake and it just all goes to shit. But yeah. 

0:39:37.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Dude, it’s like someone who, I’m not even going to give a fitness analogy, but it’s whereas you used to blunder the fourth move of the game and then blunder again and then blunder again, you’ll make it 25, 30 moves into a competitive game before you blunder.

0:39:53.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. It’s funny. I have the Israeli flag in my bio and when I play other people, dude, I get so many anti-Semitic messages. And yesterday I got one. I was playing this dude and I was whooping his ass. And he goes… He’s from Indonesia. And he was like, even if I lose, I still win. No, he’s like, even if I lose, you’re still the loser because you’re a Jew. And I was like, yeah, but then you’ll have lost to a Jew.

[laughter]

0:40:30.6 Mike Vacanti: What’s wild is people are chatting with you. Like no one ever chats on chess.com.

0:40:39.9 Jordan Syatt: Almost, I would say at least 50% of the time. Then there’s one guy from Brazil he was like, your people are from the sewer and just going off and off and off.

0:40:49.4 Mike Vacanti: Was this the guy who you were like, I wish you well, brother, and you kind of turned him?

0:40:54.3 Jordan Syatt: I do that with everyone, but this is a different one. So this guy, my wife was watching as I was playing this game and I was beating him too. And I was beating, he’s like, your people are from the sewer, all this stuff, free Palestine, blah, blah, blah. And I’m being nice. I’m typically like, hey, if you’re ever here, you always have a home. Anything you need, let me know, blah, blah, blah. And sometimes people will be like, hey, I appreciate that. And they’ll change. Other times they’ll just stop writing. But this guy, it was funny with the Brazilian guy, because I have more context to Brazil because I have many Brazilian friends and coaches and much more context to the Brazilian culture. And so I know a couple words in Portuguese and I know general terms about Brazilian culture. And so he’s like, your people are from the sewer. And so the ghetto in Brazil is called the favela. And it’s not good. Brazil is a not a safe place. They have, I think, arguably the highest crime rate in the world. One of the highest crime rates. It’s very dangerous. So right before I checkmated him, I was like, dude, the favela is literally the sewer.

0:42:10.7 Mike Vacanti: Did he say anything?

0:42:11.9 Jordan Syatt: And then I was like, great game, brother. Always here to chat if you want. And then he just didn’t say anything.

0:42:16.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:42:17.1 Jordan Syatt: That’s so funny that you don’t get people chatting with you. I get it all the time. 

0:42:20.5 Mike Vacanti: I would imagine… I mean, some of it, it sounds like it’s just people who are hating on Israel. But I think there’s also probably a higher propensity of just random chatting/trash talking at lower levels, I would imagine.

0:42:42.3 Jordan Syatt: Probably. That makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense.

0:42:45.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:42:46.6 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I mean, you’re right.

0:42:47.2 Mike Vacanti: You’re working your way up, though. You’ve made huge leaps.

0:42:51.8 Jordan Syatt: When your ranking is 230. There’s a lot of trash talk when you get above 1000, probably not as much trash talk.

0:42:58.4 Mike Vacanti: Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s been my experience.

0:43:00.6 Jordan Syatt: I believe that. It makes total sense. If you’re above 1000, number one, your ranking matters more and you’re not going to be wasting your time trying to shit talk when you could be thinking about moves.

0:43:11.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yeah. Dude, have you seen the Charlie Sheen two part docuseries? 

0:43:17.9 Jordan Syatt: No. I feel like I’ve seen clips of it recently, but I haven’t seen it.

0:43:21.8 Mike Vacanti: That guy lived a wild life or has lived… He’s seven years sober now, eight years sober now. But that guy lived a wild life.

0:43:29.5 Jordan Syatt: In that was there an interview in there where someone was like, are there drugs in the house now? And he was like, I don’t know. I don’t know. The drugs?

0:43:37.9 Mike Vacanti: Like. Yeah. That was that was towards the end of his using, I believe.

0:43:44.5 Jordan Syatt: Oh okay.

0:43:45.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. That was more like in the ’05 to ’20, somewhere in the ’05 to ’15 range. But going all the way back into the ’80s, ’90s, he was just going hard.

0:43:59.2 Jordan Syatt: Just crazy. The hardcore drugs.

0:44:01.2 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. It doesn’t make a ton of sense to talk about if you haven’t seen it, but it’s worth. I think you’d find entertaining. I think the first episode is an hour and the second one is an hour 15.

0:44:10.3 Jordan Syatt: Where is it?

0:44:10.6 Mike Vacanti: Netflix.

0:44:11.3 Jordan Syatt: Okay. I’ll look into it.

0:44:13.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. What’s funny is… Do you know his brother is Emilio Estevez? And his dad is Martin Sheen.

0:44:21.2 Jordan Syatt: Stop. Yeah. I know his dad is Martin Sheen. Yeah. I didn’t know his brother was Emilio Estevez. Really? Are they half brothers?

0:44:28.5 Mike Vacanti: No. Their real last name is Estevez. Martin Sheen chose the name Sheen like for Hollywood.

0:44:37.3 Jordan Syatt: Okay. 

0:44:38.1 Mike Vacanti: What are you, Grok fact-checking me? I just watched the documentary. You’re like, this can’t be right.

0:44:41.0 Jordan Syatt: No. I was looking up Emilio Estevez to make sure that I was correct in who it was.

0:44:45.5 Mike Vacanti: Mighty Ducks head coach.

0:44:46.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. That’s crazy. I had no idea.

0:44:49.0 Mike Vacanti: District 6.

0:44:49.2 Jordan Syatt: But it’s funny because seeing his picture, I’m like, wow, that actually, they look similar. But I never ever would have put that together.

0:44:57.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. So Charlie Estevez, he was born, took his dad’s Hollywood name when he got into acting, Charlie Sheen, rolled off the tongue better. The way that he ended up getting clean was, I don’t know if it was his dad or sponsors, whoever, because he’d tried many times and failed. But basically he had this drug dealer who was a good friend and they would do cocaine and crack and all this stuff together constantly. And crack ended up being like his thing. This friend had a meeting with whoever was helping Charlie or trying to help him and was like, how can we get him… Like, can you make the crack weaker? We know he’s not going to quit, but can you make it weaker? So over an 18-month window, the friend very slowly tapered him off of crack because he wouldn’t stop. There was like no stopping, but he, without telling him. And so Charlie thought that he just wasn’t enjoying it as much. And eventually he got to the point where he’s like, this sucks. I don’t even like smoking crack because they tapered it down so much that he quit.

0:46:15.9 Jordan Syatt: That’s amazing. What a good friend.

0:46:18.2 Mike Vacanti: And just a creative, unconventional solution.

0:46:22.9 Jordan Syatt: And so now he just doesn’t do crack anymore because of the taper?

0:46:25.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. I think he’s probably… I believe he’s in recovery. 

0:46:31.2 Jordan Syatt: Good for him. Does he do other stuff? Drinking?

0:46:34.2 Mike Vacanti: No. He’s eight years sober.

0:46:35.2 Jordan Syatt: Oh, wow. Good for him. That’s amazing. Yeah. That’s got to be tough. I mean, I was just thinking before you told me about Emilio Estevez being his brother, I was like, man, that’s got to be really tough having a very famous father as an actor and the fame that comes with that. And then you get into acting. And I didn’t even realize that his brother is also a super famous actor. The whole family is famous. That’s crazy.

0:47:01.3 Jordan Syatt: I wonder what growing up in that house was like. Like were they theater kids? Did they…

0:47:07.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, kind of. They would make a lot of homemade movies as kids where they were like, pretend gunshot, pretend dying. Yeah. Yeah. There was a lot of that in the documentary.

0:47:18.9 Jordan Syatt: Wow. Has Emilio Estevez been in anything recently or is it Mighty Ducks and Dunn?

0:47:23.8 Mike Vacanti: No. I think he’s been behind the camera more over the last 20 years.

0:47:30.4 Jordan Syatt: Good for him.

0:47:31.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yeah. But I thought he was great. I mean, he was in Breakfast Club. He was in a bunch of big stuff in the ’80s. 

0:47:39.3 Jordan Syatt: Oh, yeah. His role in Breakfast Club was great. 

0:47:41.9 Mike Vacanti: He was the jock.

0:47:42.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Two hits. I hit you, you hit the floor. I love that.

0:47:46.8 Mike Vacanti: Is that his line?

0:47:47.6 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, it’s his line.

0:47:48.4 Mike Vacanti: I don’t remember Breakfast Club.

0:47:49.8 Jordan Syatt: Classic.

0:47:50.8 Mike Vacanti: Anyway, yeah, it’s a good documentary. You got anything else?

0:47:55.1 Jordan Syatt: Are they friends, Emilio Estevez, are him and Charlie close?

0:47:58.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They get along. He wasn’t in the documentary, him and his dad. Yeah. Yeah. But both of his ex-wives were in it and a couple of his kids and it’s entertaining.

0:48:14.8 Jordan Syatt: Is he close with his kids?

0:48:15.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Seems like he is. Yeah.

0:48:18.6 Jordan Syatt: That’s amazing.

0:48:19.5 Mike Vacanti: Let’s do a non-nuance segment. You have to answer in one to five words.

0:48:24.9 Jordan Syatt: Should women be taking colostrum?

0:48:26.7 Mike Vacanti: No. No, no, you got to answer. One to five words.

0:48:30.2 Jordan Syatt: No. Is it possible to get rid of food noise without a GLP-1?

0:48:35.1 Mike Vacanti: Yes.

0:48:35.8 Jordan Syatt: No.

0:48:36.4 Mike Vacanti: No.

0:48:37.0 Jordan Syatt: Get rid of it? No.

0:48:39.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Wait, read the question again.

0:48:41.8 Jordan Syatt: Is it possible to get rid of food noise without using a GLP-1? 

0:48:47.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, you might actually be right.

0:48:49.1 Jordan Syatt: I think it’s the difference between having this drug that essentially either takes it away or severely reduces it versus learning how to fight it. Because I think if you’re not on it, you’re going to have a bigger battle. I don’t know if it can ever get rid of it.

0:49:07.4 Mike Vacanti: Would you say that it’s gone or just severely reduced?

0:49:11.9 Jordan Syatt: So outrageously reduced. And it depends. I think earlier on, it was gone. Early on, it was gone. And then the more I’ve gotten used to it, the more it will come back. But, dude, even at night, when I wasn’t taking it or when there were times where I took off as part of the experiment, I was just not hungry. I’m just going to go eat. And now I’ll go into the pantry. Same foods were there. And it will be like the behavior of I’m going to go in and I’ll look at everything and be like, no, just don’t want it. Whereas before, it would be more of like I need a little bit of willpower to like…

0:49:54.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yeah. That’s a good point. Yeah. If the question is reduce?

0:50:04.1 Jordan Syatt: You can reduce it without a GLP-1.You can improve it without a GLP-1, but I don’t think you can get rid of it. 

0:50:10.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. And we’re not going to talk about this now, but it’s a separate conversation whether or not the goal is to get rid of it.

0:50:19.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. That’s a great question.

0:50:21.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. All right. Third question.

0:50:23.9 Jordan Syatt: When deciding what weight training program to follow, how do you deal with analysis paralysis?

0:50:28.2 Mike Vacanti: Just do it.

0:50:29.0 Jordan Syatt: I was going to say just pick one. Yeah. Is there a whoosh with muscle building or just weight loss?

0:50:38.3 Mike Vacanti: Unfortunately, just weight loss.

0:50:40.6 Jordan Syatt: Just weight loss.

0:50:41.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:50:42.1 Jordan Syatt: I feel so addicted to food that it might as well be drugs. Help. 

0:50:45.6 Mike Vacanti: Read Dopamine Nation. 

0:50:47.3 Jordan Syatt: Speak with a therapist.

0:50:47.8 Mike Vacanti: I like it.

0:50:50.5 Jordan Syatt: Top three supplements the average person should take?

0:50:53.0 Mike Vacanti: Protein powder and creatine. Done.

0:50:56.3 Jordan Syatt: Protein powder. Vitamin D. Protein powder. Vitamin D. Fish oil.

0:51:14.3 Mike Vacanti: They’re not eating their salmon. They need that fish oil. Yeah, vitamin D in the winter. Yeah. Yeah.

0:51:20.1 Jordan Syatt: If I don’t have heavy enough dumbbells, what do you suggest I do to build muscle? 

0:51:23.3 Mike Vacanti: Get heavier weights. 

0:51:24.9 Jordan Syatt: Go to a gym.

0:51:25.8 Mike Vacanti: Three more.

0:51:26.5 Jordan Syatt: Is there a thing as too much protein? 

0:51:29.9 Mike Vacanti: In practice, no.

0:51:30.6 Jordan Syatt: Yes.

0:51:31.3 Mike Vacanti: Do you know anyone who’s over consumed protein?

0:51:33.4 Jordan Syatt: I would say I know many people who…

0:51:35.7 Mike Vacanti: No, no, no. Don’t give me this relationship stuff. I want physiological downside from too much protein consumption.

0:51:40.6 Jordan Syatt: Well, no, because it’s not just physical, but I’m not saying there are kidney issues from it, but I am saying that their over consumption of protein is leading to an under consumption of fiber, which is not beneficial for health. So I’m not saying that there is…

0:52:00.4 Mike Vacanti: You mean because they’re restricting to like meat only diets?

0:52:04.1 Jordan Syatt: I just mean that they’re so, so, so, so, so focused on protein that they actually don’t have as high quality of a diet as they think they do.

0:52:11.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, that happens. But you can also eat 300 grams of protein per day and have 50 grams of fiber per day.

0:52:17.1 Jordan Syatt: Correct. That’s exactly right. Yeah. You could eat… That’s why I hate the five word or less. It’s not because protein is going to cause damage to your body, but it’s because if someone’s eating 300 grams of protein a day, good luck. Most people aren’t then are going to be like, let me also get these veggies in. And that’s a wild amount of protein, you know what I mean? And I don’t think there would be serious negative health effects from it physiologically, but the negative health effects would come from what you’re missing as a result of being so full on protein.

0:52:49.4 Mike Vacanti: Would you rather have someone consume 300 grams of protein per day or 300 grams of saturated fat?

0:52:54.8 Jordan Syatt: Protein. 

0:52:55.4 Mike Vacanti: All right. Nine.

0:52:57.1 Jordan Syatt: Building glutes. I feel lunges in my thighs more but not my glutes.

0:53:00.8 Mike Vacanti: Lean forward, comma, slightly larger step.

0:53:09.7 Jordan Syatt: That’s literally exactly what I was going to say without the comma.

0:53:12.5 Mike Vacanti: The grand finale before we get to the mentorship Q & A.

0:53:15.5 Jordan Syatt: Starting out with a home gym, must have weight equipment.

0:53:19.4 Mike Vacanti: Dumbbells, bench, pull up bar. 

0:53:21.7 Jordan Syatt: Adjustable dumbbells, bench, MonkeyFeet.

0:53:26.7 Mike Vacanti: And you have it. Hope you enjoyed that episode of the Personal Trainer Podcast. Please leave a five star review. We will be back next week every Tuesday until we stop.

0:53:37.5 Jordan Syatt: Could be next week.

0:53:38.5 Mike Vacanti: See ya.

0:53:39.0 Jordan Syatt: See ya.