Episode 248: The Best Exercise for Bone Density, Running vs Swimming for Cardio, 8-Minutes Daily Screen Time, and More…

0:00:12.2 Mike Vacanti: Hello Jordan.

0:00:12.7 Jordan Syatt: What’s up, Michael?

0:00:13.2 Mike Vacanti: The fitness business mentorship is officially on sale. Black Friday has begun. Tuesday, November 11th. We are open. $500 off of the initiation fee. That’s what we got here.

0:00:29.1 Jordan Syatt: You got a huge sale right now. People always wait until the last minute, but you have to remember you have to apply. Right? We don’t just let anybody in. This isn’t like you just click and you join now. You pay us $15,000. It’s not how much it costs, but it’s an application process. We do not accept everybody. So if you want the opportunity to join and to get $500 off the initiation fee, go to the link in the description. Apply now. Mike will get back to you, and he’ll ask you some questions, and we’ll see if we’re a good fit or not. That’s pretty much it. If you want to learn how to… The majority of the conversation in the mentorship, especially during the weekly live Q&As is about how to become a better coach, how to work with your clients better, if you’re struggling with helping them get results. It’s the majority of the conversation.

0:01:23.6 Jordan Syatt: The other part is about systems. How to set up your business, how to make it more efficient, how to not be wasting so much time, how to make communication better, how to deliver your systems, how to deliver your programs. Communication. And also a lot of how to grow on social media, how to get your message out to more people so you have more people reaching out and applying for coaching. We have conversations around hybrid. If you do both in-person and online, how to make that more efficient, how to transition to more online coaching. We have people in there who are just starting out and we have people in there who’ve been in the game for a very long time.

0:02:01.0 Jordan Syatt: The main thing is we don’t want people in the group who are not gonna mesh well with the group. And the main type of person that doesn’t mesh well is the person that is just trying to make as much money as possible at any cost, which means selling your soul to do bullshit, to try and… If you come in saying like, I want to be a high ticket coach, out. Yeah. If you’re like, I just want to be a high, out immediately. If you want to be a great coach, that also builds a very successful business. Amazing. That’s fantastic. But if you come in just with like, I’m just trying to make as much money as I possibly can, as quickly as I can, no. Then you can apply in a year.

0:02:42.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, because… And there’s a reason we do that because you can have someone who wants to make money and be a great coach. But when the lead points are, I need to make 100k asap, I need this much money by the end of the month, I need this much by the end of the year, I need this many clients by 90 days out, you’re going to deploy tactics that are really, really, really bad for your brand and bad for your business and will lead to you pivoting to being a photographer or a business coach or a crypto guru or an AI chatbot guru. Like you’re… We see it all the time. Try to maximize dollars alone with these swarmy sales tactics and aggressive sales tactics and oh, I don’t want month to month billing. I want my clients to pay me a year or two years or three years up front so I can maximize revenue immediately. DM every single person you’ve ever met. Oh, go pull up your elementary school roster and find those people on social media and send them a message and tell them that you can coach them. 

0:03:48.4 Mike Vacanti: Jordan used $15,000 as an example. Not because that’s even close to what it costs to join the mentorship, but because that’s actually become somewhat standard in the industry for fitness business groups like this. And it’s sad and it’s, whatever, to each their own. But that’s not what we’re doing here.

0:04:13.7 Jordan Syatt: Imagine you get a client application for fitness coaching and they’re like, I need to lose 30 pounds by my friend’s wedding in the next month or two months. You’d be like, fuck that.

0:04:27.1 Mike Vacanti: Or 100 pounds.

0:04:28.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, whatever, like insane amounts of weight very, very quickly. And you’re like, fuck. That’s how we feel when we get people coming in being like, I need to make this amount of money this fast. It’s fucking obnoxious. And if you were gonna help them do it, you would have to resort to obscene, ridiculous tactics that would set them up for failure long run. Which is what a lot of fitness guru mentorship masterminds do is they set you up for a horrible brand strategy. And when I say brand, I mean how you make people feel. And what the… One of the worst things you can do is put a bad taste in people’s mouths every time they see your post. They’re like, ugh, ugh, ugh. It’s like, if you want to actually build a long-term successful business, the response that people should have when they see your post is like, oh, like excitement or curiosity or feel good, happiness, joy, fulfillment.

0:05:22.2 Jordan Syatt: It’s you don’t want to have a bitter taste when people see your face pop up on the screen. And that’s what a lot of these mastermind… When you’re DMing everybody or when everything you’re doing is just with the intent of selling, selling, selling, selling, selling, or even if that’s like you think you’re masking it, you’re not. It’s like people smell bullshit a mile away. I’m sure you probably feel the same way. You probably feel like I can smell when someone’s bullshitting me. It’s like so can other people. And if your intent under the surface is just try and get as many sales as possible and at any cost necessary, people smell it because it’s very prevalent. So yeah, if you want $500 off and you want to be considered to join, hit the application button. Apply now and we’ll have a conversation.

0:06:06.8 Mike Vacanti: All right. Moving into today’s episode. Jordan, guess what I did two days ago. For the first time in probably, I want to give an honest answer here. I actually think it’s been about 15 years since I did this.

0:06:25.9 Jordan Syatt: Sprint?

0:06:27.0 Mike Vacanti: No, that’s a really, really good guess. You’re very warm. But no, I’ve definitely sprinted in the last 15 years.

0:06:34.1 Jordan Syatt: Warm in that it’s fitness related?

0:06:36.8 Mike Vacanti: No, even warmer. You’re like, oh, you’re in the right room in the house. You’re in the right appliance. You’re just like you went to the left burner, and I’m on the right burner.

0:06:47.7 Jordan Syatt: Oh man, now I’m gonna get further away.

0:06:50.1 Mike Vacanti: No, you’re not.

0:06:50.9 Jordan Syatt: I am. I know myself. Let’s see. I know my body. Did a P90X workout?

0:07:03.3 Mike Vacanti: No, you’re further away. Stay where you were. You’re very close. Same motion.

0:07:11.0 Jordan Syatt: You went on a jog.

0:07:12.1 Mike Vacanti: I ran three miles.

0:07:14.5 Jordan Syatt: Wow. Let’s go.

0:07:16.4 Mike Vacanti: Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

0:07:18.3 Jordan Syatt: How was it? 

0:07:19.3 Mike Vacanti: Terrible. I mean brutal. Absolutely insanely difficult. And I so in 2017, 2018, I’m actually going to give like a one-minute recap here on my thoughts on why I haven’t ran a distance like this really in probably since college. When I found Martin Berkhan’s blog in 2009, 2010 somewhere in that range.

0:07:50.7 Jordan Syatt: Just when I found it, 2009.

0:07:51.5 Mike Vacanti: Maybe 2008 on bodyrecomp forums and then ’09 really reading Leangains, I very quickly… If you want body comp results, strength training plus monitor your nutrition is all you need. And then that was my philosophy strongly in the ’09 through ’15, ’16 range, adding more walking kind of unintentionally in ’13, ’14, ’15, and then intentionally ’15, ’16, ’17, but step down.

0:08:23.9 Jordan Syatt: Walking unintentionally because you were living in New York City and you were just walking all over the place.

0:08:27.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, yeah. Unintentionally, but then realizing the benefit of it and then making it intentional and walking at a speed and with a backpack to where I probably was getting zone two or in the last five years, incline treadmill walking, 10, 12 degree incline, actually making sure I was in zone two at a brisk walk. And I ran a marathon in ’06, and it was brutal.

0:08:53.9 Jordan Syatt: Did I know that?

0:08:55.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, yeah, I’ve told you that.

0:08:56.6 Jordan Syatt: That’s crazy.

0:08:58.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. So I was retired from running, and for some reason, I woke up on Sunday morning, and it was a rest day, and I was like, I want to do something today. So what should I do? And I fired up this old website, pedometersomething.com that I used to map my runs on back in like ’04. It’s still there. And mapped like a three-mile run and went and did it.

0:09:21.8 Jordan Syatt: That’s awesome.

0:09:22.5 Mike Vacanti: Yep.

0:09:23.0 Jordan Syatt: Felt good after?

0:09:24.2 Mike Vacanti: No, no.

0:09:25.6 Jordan Syatt: Oh, really?

0:09:28.6 Mike Vacanti: Dude. First of all, it was cold out, so it was probably 38 degrees, cold for the first week of November. And I wanted to quit half a mile in. Three, four minutes in, I wanted to quit, and almost quit several times throughout the run and didn’t. I somehow adopted the technique and gait of an old person running. I don’t even know how.

0:10:00.2 Jordan Syatt: Very small strides and just like.

0:10:02.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, I mean, pretty fast. Like I ran… I don’t know. I think I ran like a 7:30, 7:40, something like that.

0:10:10.5 Jordan Syatt: Shut up. Are you serious? 

0:10:12.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:10:13.2 Jordan Syatt: For each mile. Like that’s crazy, dude. That’s pretty. You were pushing it.

0:10:17.8 Mike Vacanti: I don’t have another gear in running. I don’t know how to run slower.

0:10:23.6 Jordan Syatt: You really went hard on that run.

0:10:28.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:10:28.1 Jordan Syatt: First run in 15 years. That’s crazy.

0:10:30.4 Mike Vacanti: I almost quit 15 times. I literally hacked up a lung through the entire first mile and a half, like I was coughing stuff up out of my lungs that has probably been there for a decade just like buried deep. But and incredibly sore after.

0:10:50.4 Jordan Syatt: Where?

0:10:51.9 Mike Vacanti: Quads, hamstrings, IT band shockingly because always lower legs, feet, calves, that was always where I would get sore running. Felt amazing. This new stride of having more of a heel strike, right, and barely picking my feet up off the ground. And my upper body was much more upright than it used to be. Not intentionally, like I just ran. And that’s my new mechanics, I guess.

0:11:21.4 Jordan Syatt: Dude, that’s so funny. Where do you think your heart rate was for the majority of it?

0:11:26.3 Mike Vacanti: High.

0:11:27.0 Jordan Syatt: Like 160?

0:11:28.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, yeah, 150, 160.

0:11:30.3 Jordan Syatt: That’s an impressive average mile time for your first run out in 15 years.

0:11:36.7 Mike Vacanti: That’s what I thought too. And I attribute it to strength training. Just the carryover between getting stronger and being more mobile now than I was 15 to 20 years ago. And that bleeding into performance running.

0:11:58.1 Jordan Syatt: More force into the ground, faster for sure. But I mean, being able to keep that up. If it was only a one-mile run, it wouldn’t have been as impressive. But to sustain that for three. That’s really nice, dude.

0:12:10.4 Mike Vacanti: Thank you. I mean, if you saw me after, I was light, like I thought I was gonna die after.

0:12:17.7 Jordan Syatt: Did you lie down?

0:12:19.4 Mike Vacanti: No, I didn’t lie down. But an hour later driving in the car, I was like, man, I’m like lightheaded, like something ain’t right.

0:12:29.3 Jordan Syatt: Do you think you’re gonna keep running on a regular basis?

0:12:33.5 Mike Vacanti: I would take the over. I would take the over 50/50.

0:12:39.6 Jordan Syatt: Okay.

0:12:40.2 Mike Vacanti: I would guess that I do like once week…

0:12:42.9 Jordan Syatt: Once a week three miler?

0:12:44.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. My original thought was I’m just gonna run on my non-training days. And then I was like, absolutely not. So one to two runs a week maybe. We’ll see.

0:12:55.8 Jordan Syatt: Dude, that’s good. Are you gonna keep it in this super high gear for every run, or are you gonna try and slow it down a little bit?

0:13:02.4 Mike Vacanti: Undecided. Undecided. Part of why I wanted to do it, other than the fact that I just wanted to move my body, was I wanted to know that I still could do it. And so it was as much, if not more mental than physical.

0:13:16.8 Jordan Syatt: You probably had a real adrenaline dump. This was like sort of a competition that you had with yourself. Got like amped up for it.

0:13:22.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:13:23.2 Jordan Syatt: And then I would imagine there was some real competitive push that you had. That may be one of the reasons why afterwards you were so spent, less about the actual taxing nature of the run and more about the adrenaline dump of I gotta do this.

0:13:39.5 Mike Vacanti: Maybe. Maybe. That, plus it was just, I’m not in that kind of shape right now.

0:13:45.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. That’s good, man. Running’s great.

0:13:48.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, running is… I mean, late 30s running still good. I really wanna get good at swimming.

0:13:56.7 Jordan Syatt: Really?

0:13:57.2 Mike Vacanti: I think that’s just an ideal cardio, like 50 to 90.

0:14:01.2 Jordan Syatt: You mean like what running is 50 and swimming isn’t…

0:14:04.9 Mike Vacanti: No. When you want to do a lot of cardio a week, and you don’t want all of that impact and all of that wear and tear and all of that injury risk.

0:14:14.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, yeah. You know, it’s funny, I struggle with that because one of the reasons I love running is because of the impact, because of the bone density benefits and because like, that’s one of the reasons why I really like it. I also understand I’m not running a half marathon. I’m not even doing 10Ks. I’m running, I’m running three miles, sometimes a little bit more, several times a week. But I actually, I like the impact for that. But if I had a recurring back issue, knee issues, hip issues, that would obviously be a major problem. But having a… I also love the elliptical. If I had more space in my gym, I’d get the elliptical and do something lower impact as well. It’s nice to have both options. So, if I had a pool, I would love to add swimming as well because I like that it’s full body. You get to train all the tissues with minimal to essentially no impact. And from a cardio perspective, I mean, it’s probably the greatest of all time.

0:15:16.3 Mike Vacanti: I wonder what the bone mineral density benefits are of a standard 3x a week full body strength training program versus walking versus walking with a weighted vest versus running. And I don’t know what the, where the diminishing returns are from all of that because I agree with you. Obviously, bone mineral density is extremely important, but at what cost if there are safer ways to do it? And maybe 50 is a little low, like, maybe like 65 to 90 is a more accurate number. I don’t know.

0:16:00.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I would imagine that obviously walking is the lowest and then strength training. No, no, walking is the lowest, then walking with weighted vest, then strength training, then running, I would imagine. And I would imagine strength training and running are close. But the research from what I’ve seen is very clear that plyometrics are, and true plyometrics are, they are superior to strength training from a bone mineral density perspective. And running is essentially single leg jumping over and over and over and over again. But it also depends on like, is it, what type of stride are you taking, how much? Like, ideally a good run is, you’re sort of minimizing that impact. You’re not like boom, boom, boom, boom, slamming over and over and over again. Yeah, obviously, I think all of it moderately is better than a single one intensely at the expense of all others. But…

0:16:55.5 Mike Vacanti: Should we see if Grok agrees with us?

0:16:57.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:16:59.3 Mike Vacanti: Final ranking, most to least effective for BMD. One, strength training. Two, walking with weighted vests. Three, running. Four, walking.

0:17:07.1 Jordan Syatt: I don’t believe that.

0:17:08.1 Mike Vacanti: I think that’s where it depends. Like if it’s an 80-pound weighted vest versus a 20-pound weighted vest, I think, I think that could be the difference.

0:17:15.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, that’s true.

0:17:17.0 Mike Vacanti: Number two, walking with weighted vest. Why number two? Adds axial compression to walking, increasing GRF from 1.1 times body weight walking to 1.5 to 2.5 times body weight depending on vest weight, 10 to 20% of body weight.

0:17:32.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, but the impact forces from running are significantly higher than that.

0:17:37.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. So then running. Why number three? Higher GRF 2.5 to 3 times body weight than walking, but repetitive, uniplanar and low novelty.

0:17:49.0 Jordan Syatt: Walking is uniplanar too.

0:17:50.8 Mike Vacanti: And low novelty.

0:17:52.0 Jordan Syatt: That’s stupid.

0:17:54.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. How’s your screen time slash scrolling life?

0:18:01.6 Jordan Syatt: So much better.

0:18:02.6 Mike Vacanti: Wow. Let’s go.

0:18:03.7 Jordan Syatt: It’s been really good. Yeah. And by the way, significant improvements in mental, emotional well-being as a result of it. Chess has been great. Sleep has been much better.

0:18:16.5 Mike Vacanti: Nice.

0:18:17.5 Jordan Syatt: Been getting averaging between seven to seven and a half hours, which has been great. But like I skipped my workout last night. I didn’t skip. I took a rain check on it. I’m going to do it after this podcast. I’m going to do it during the day, so yeah.

0:18:34.3 Mike Vacanti: But you’re in the population, the minority population, that rescheduling a workout to get more sleep is probably the right decision.

0:18:42.8 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Relative to typically what I do, which is just constantly sleep deprive in order to get the workout in.

0:18:49.5 Mike Vacanti: And you just, you get a lot of hours per week of exercise, and you take your training seriously, and you’re not someone who struggles to get into the gym and is looking for a reason to miss a workout.

0:19:03.8 Jordan Syatt: Correct. Yeah, it’s exactly right. So yeah, overall it’s been really good. It’s been really, really good. A lot of chess, which has been great in terms of instead of scrolling, which is fantastic.

0:19:17.1 Mike Vacanti: Nice.

0:19:17.6 Jordan Syatt: And improvements there as well.

0:19:21.0 Mike Vacanti: Let’s go.

0:19:21.5 Jordan Syatt: And yeah, man, I’m happy with it. It’s been good. I get in. I will say it’s an incredible blessing. I’d say like eight out of 10 posts is just clips from my podcast. So it’s really nice that I have the ability to have someone who’s creating these clips for my podcast, all I have to do is go in, post it, and I’m out. And it’s funny because when I do a podcast with someone, they’ll be in and they’re debating in the comments of the post, and then they’ll text me and they’ll be like, I didn’t expect this much pushback or whatever. And I’m like, posting ghosts. Just don’t get in there. I’m posting ghosting right now. I’m not replying to anything, which is not a good business strategy if you’re early on. If you’re early on and like, you should be in there replying to the comments. Absolutely. But at this point, I’ve been posting essentially daily since 2011. So if you started posting in the last year or two, I would say it’s something that you sort of got to earn. But at this point, I’m just like I’m not.

0:20:25.1 Mike Vacanti: Absolutely. You’re at a place where you’re prioritizing your mental health over marginal business gain.

0:20:30.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Correct.

0:20:33.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Amazing.

0:20:34.7 Jordan Syatt: I will say. Oh, dude, I haven’t gotten in a legit argument over fitness in a really long time. I just haven’t really. It just doesn’t really bother me. I just. Whatever. But I’m in this group of, for security with all these men who are on the security team. And they asked me to do a presentation for nutrition training and supplements for the group. I was like, yeah, of course, 100%. So I did a two-hour presentation for free. And I was like, of course it’s fine. I’m more than happy to. And part of the presentation, it was nutrition training and supplements. The next day, not everyone went to the whatever, to the presentation. So in the next day, someone’s asking about something and someone who wasn’t at the presentation chimes in and says, calories don’t matter, da, da, da, da, and I just reply. And I was like, that’s not true. Watch the presentation.

0:21:33.1 Mike Vacanti: Was this like on a text thread or what?

0:21:35.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, we all, we’re in a group thread.

0:21:36.4 Mike Vacanti: How many of you?

0:21:37.7 Jordan Syatt: A little over 20.

0:21:38.7 Mike Vacanti: Oh, wow. Is this your first group thread?

0:21:40.7 Jordan Syatt: This is the first group thread that I actually pay attention to.

0:21:43.1 Mike Vacanti: Okay.

0:21:43.7 Jordan Syatt: As soon as I get involved in a group thread, I’m like, I’m out. Because people are texting all the time. And I’m just like, this is also in WhatsApp. Not on like messaging, not on like the iPhone messenger. It’s much easier to manage.

0:21:58.3 Mike Vacanti: Okay, so someone’s like, calories don’t matter.

0:22:00.2 Jordan Syatt: Calories don’t matter. And I was like, wrong. Watch the presentation. And then this dude is like, that’s not wrong. And he starts going off. So then my issue is I’m in this group of people who don’t really know me yet, and I just gave this two-hour presentation, and I just go off. I go off in the group, dude. I’m just like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And he’s like, I can tell who he’s following on social media, being like, okay. And we go into all these different topics and like, he’s like, dairy is bad. You shouldn’t be eating dairy. And he’s like, and tell me why carrageenan is banned in Europe, but not here. And I was like, well, it’s not banned in Europe. It’s just under a different name. And I provide the resources and just… He keeps moving the goalposts. And then I’m getting all these messages on the side from people who know this guy because it’s a relatively small community, and they’re like, thank you for standing up to him. He’s so fucking annoying. He’s always guilting me for whatever I’m eating and da, da, da, da, da, da, but I… It was the first time I’ve gotten in a legit fitness nutrition debate in years. Years and years and years. It brought that fire back.

0:23:12.9 Mike Vacanti: Nice. How’d it feel?

0:23:14.2 Jordan Syatt: Terrible.

0:23:14.9 Mike Vacanti: It felt terrible.

0:23:15.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I mean, I don’t want to be doing that stuff. I have no interest.

0:23:20.6 Mike Vacanti: What’s his… What are his… Like, does he work? And is he just a fitness enthusiast? Like, what’s he…

0:23:25.6 Jordan Syatt: He’s just a fitness enthusiast.

0:23:26.9 Mike Vacanti: Okay. So he’s just going off of whatever reels he’s been consuming.

0:23:31.1 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I think he’s following, like, Paul Saladino and Gary Brecka and all these people who are telling him that seed oils are the worst thing ever invented and that any additives are terrible. And I don’t know where he got that dairy is bad. Someone told me that his child is allergic to dairy. But then he was like, yeah, but his… It’s a small community. And so his, this guy’s kids are friends with my buddy’s kids. He’s like, his kid comes over and eats chocolate. No. Like, milk chocolate. No problem. I was like, I don’t think your kid’s allergic to dairy.

0:24:07.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yeah.

0:24:10.3 Jordan Syatt: So, yeah.

0:24:11.2 Mike Vacanti: By the end of it, was he receptive, or you were out for blood, kind of?

0:24:16.0 Jordan Syatt: Well, it’s funny because then we went to go pick up equipment. We were picking up equipment for ourselves. And him and I were there, and he was really nice. He was like, hey, man, I didn’t see the presentation. I was like, dude, no worries. He was like, yeah, I think we’re just not gonna see eye to eye on stuff. I was like, that’s totally fine, dude. We don’t have to see eye to eye. And that was it. And it’s wonderful. And then there’s actually like a… I told you about the potential security issue. And he’s friends with the family that owns that bakery, and so we connected over that. And I was communicating with him, so everything is fine. Like, we’re on very good terms but got heated in the WhatsApp group.

0:24:58.2 Mike Vacanti: Were other people, like, because there’s 20 people. First in WhatsApp, can you react to stuff? Like an iMessage where you can like stuff and heart stuff. Do people do that? Slash number two. Were people, in the mix of you guys arguing, were they chiming in?

0:25:13.5 Jordan Syatt: A couple people were chiming in. You can react, you can put a heart or you can do a thumbs up or a laughing face or something. And then one of the leaders of the group was like, guys, that’s not what this group is for. Stop it.

0:25:28.8 Mike Vacanti: That’s funny.

0:25:29.4 Jordan Syatt: So one of the guys is like military, law enforcement. He’s one of the leaders. And he was just like, for fuck’s sake, guys, just go to the fucking range and practice shooting.

0:25:40.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:25:42.6 Jordan Syatt: Just eat and fucking go practice shooting.

0:25:44.8 Mike Vacanti: That’s funny. But you’re like, I’m in this new group. I’m with this new group of people. And this is literally the thing in the world I know the most about.

0:25:53.4 Jordan Syatt: Yes.

0:25:54.3 Mike Vacanti: And this guy is totally, completely wrong.

0:25:56.8 Jordan Syatt: And I just gave a two-hour presentation. Yeah, he’s like, factually wrong. Spreading nonsense. I was like, I can’t just not reply.

0:26:02.1 Mike Vacanti: That’s funny.

0:26:02.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:26:03.4 Mike Vacanti: The old rage debate over fitness and nutrition.

0:26:09.9 Jordan Syatt: Calories. The tale as old as time.

0:26:12.4 Mike Vacanti: Did you tell him? Did you talk about the units of measurement, a mile?

0:26:16.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, I did. Yes, I did. And I even. He was like, dairy’s bad. I was like, all right, if dairy’s bad, then why are like Sweden and Norway and this place and that place, why are the countries in the world that have very high dairy intakes, why are they among the longest living, healthiest in the world? No reply.

0:26:33.9 Mike Vacanti: So you won the debate. Safe to say.

0:26:35.6 Jordan Syatt: Oh, yeah, of course.

0:26:37.2 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:26:37.9 Jordan Syatt: Come on. Come on, Michael.

0:26:40.7 Mike Vacanti: Did you talk about the debate publicly or no? Outside of us right now?

0:26:44.6 Jordan Syatt: No, no, no, no, not publicly. I try and keep most of the things about it not public, because they actually told us. They were like, we don’t want this stuff public.

0:26:57.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. I have a real like five to six, maybe day streak of less than four hours screen time every day. Couple of the days were like two hours.

0:27:14.7 Jordan Syatt: Wow, that’s amazing.

0:27:16.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:27:17.9 Jordan Syatt: Does this count like TV or just phone?

0:27:20.9 Mike Vacanti: No, just the screen time that my phone says.

0:27:23.9 Jordan Syatt: Nice. That’s amazing, dude. That’s huge. Yeah.

0:27:26.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, it feels incredible. Not scrolling social media is the absolute game. And then it takes such a small amount of time to like your sensitization, basically redownloading Twitter and looking at three tweets feels like, ugh. Yeah, just makes me feel off. Feels toxic. I don’t even have the word for it that like auto-delete the app immediately. I don’t want to see this. I don’t want to see this. Just so inflammatory subjects that are like, it made me, it drastically changed the state I was in within 10 seconds.

0:28:10.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, makes total sense.

0:28:12.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:28:13.4 Jordan Syatt: So my oldest daughter’s, we had a birth… Her birthday party about a month ago or so. A little over a month ago. And my wife has… One of her best friends came down to visit, and she brought her new boyfriend so we could meet him and all that. He’s a firefighter and awesome dude, super cool guy. And we were talking and somehow screen time came up, I think because my wife’s friend, his girlfriend, apparently, she’s on TikTok a lot and laughing and she was like, he’s never on his phone. I was like, what’s your screen time? And we looked at it. Eight minutes.

0:28:48.4 Mike Vacanti: No way.

0:28:49.1 Jordan Syatt: His average daily screen time is eight minutes.

0:28:51.8 Mike Vacanti: No way. No way.

0:28:53.9 Jordan Syatt: I swear. I saw it.

0:28:55.4 Mike Vacanti: What a beast.

0:28:56.9 Jordan Syatt: Eight minutes. I was like, you’re incredible, dude. I was like, that’s amazing.

0:29:01.1 Mike Vacanti: He doesn’t have social media.

0:29:02.6 Jordan Syatt: No, he doesn’t have social media. And then, he was here and was showing him around and he saw our book that we wrote and he was like, oh, because he’s super into fitness. And I gave him one. He read it on the flight back. He read the book. He’s like, bro, that was a great book. Do you have any more? I was like, you’re amazing.

0:29:22.8 Mike Vacanti: He read that already?

0:29:23.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. He read that book. He was like, man, that was a really good book. I was like, man, you’re incredible, dude.

0:29:29.7 Mike Vacanti: Makes all the sense in the world. His brain’s not cooked.

0:29:32.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. At all.

0:29:34.2 Mike Vacanti: He has an uncooked brain.

0:29:35.6 Jordan Syatt: He’s got a raw brain.

0:29:37.2 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Just like, so much gray matter. So much prefrontal cortical matter in the front of his brain that’s just dictating to the rest of his brain what it should be doing.

0:29:48.7 Jordan Syatt: He’s a firefighter. He works several 24-hour shifts a week, and then he runs. He does some construction stuff, and he works out.

0:29:55.4 Mike Vacanti: Do you think that he would start a mentorship around screen time? And if so, should we join?

0:30:04.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, I think we should. 100%.

0:30:06.5 Mike Vacanti: Absolutely.

0:30:07.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:30:08.1 Mike Vacanti: Wow. Eight minutes.

0:30:10.2 Jordan Syatt: He was never on his phone when he was here ever. He would just eat and just…

0:30:15.8 Mike Vacanti: Is he extroverted?

0:30:17.3 Jordan Syatt: He seemed pretty middle of the road. Like, he was great. And there was one time he just went to go take a nap in the middle of the day, which was great. I was like, you’re working 24-hour shifts as a firefighter. Go take a nap, please. But we went and worked out in the gym, and he just never. He never had his phone with him. It was amazing. But we were talking about what him and his girlfriend argue about, and sometimes he’s like, yeah, we’re just on the couch, and she’s just scrolling TikTok. And I’m just like, what are you doing? He’s like, I’m just sitting on the couch.

0:30:50.4 Mike Vacanti: Watching her scroll TikTok.

0:30:52.0 Jordan Syatt: Show me these videos and be like, I don’t care. He’s got this, like, Boston accent. Like, I don’t care. Yeah, he’s just nice. He doesn’t. He’s just, I’m not on my phone.

0:30:59.8 Mike Vacanti: How old is he?

0:31:00.6 Jordan Syatt: I think he’s like, 37.

0:31:01.8 Mike Vacanti: What a legend.

0:31:02.7 Jordan Syatt: Nick. His name is Nick. Really cool dude.

0:31:06.1 Mike Vacanti: Man. I was thinking in the gym this morning, because I log my workouts in my notes app on my phone, and then I’ll go to another notes app and be writing things. I’ll check my text. I’ll, like, instinctively my finger will go to email. I’m just using my phone between sets. And I consciously was like, all right, I need to put this thing away. I still want the music that I’m listening to, but I’m strategizing. Bring a gym bag. Put my phone in the gym bag. Don’t touch it during the workout. Then I gotta start rocking a watch again ’cause part of the main reason I like having my phone on me is it’s my step tracker. I tried using an old school $9 pedometer that you just snap onto your belt buckle, but that, I just lose that thing. That’s not gonna work every single day. But I think going back to a watch to track all of that and then not needing the phone on me as often would help, because when it’s there, it’s just hard not to use.

0:32:07.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, it’s like an alcoholic having a bar in their house.

0:32:12.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yeah, that’s right.

0:32:14.5 Jordan Syatt: Or a flask in their pocket realistically is probably even. If you’ve got the drug of choice in your pocket.

0:32:21.2 Mike Vacanti: Right there. Ready to go. Man. Yeah, I think I’m gonna go old school paper and pen. Like, get a notebook, log workouts in there. Give it like three months. See how it goes.

0:32:35.1 Jordan Syatt: Dude, I love that.

0:32:36.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Gotta get off this thing.

0:32:37.9 Jordan Syatt: You gonna tell everyone you think I’m on test?

0:32:39.8 Mike Vacanti: No, I wasn’t gonna out you.

0:32:41.7 Jordan Syatt: I’m not on test. Last two times we’ve been on a screen, on a call, video call, Mike is like, you’re on test. You look like you’re on test.

0:32:50.3 Jordan Syatt: You. That was a real compliment, huh? Re-bringing it up on the pod, you’re like…

0:32:55.2 Jordan Syatt: Dude, it felt great. It’s like when people would say that, like, call you a fake natty. You’re like, this is the best thing ever. Like, yeah. But then you’d go down the other route. You’d be like, it’s not that hard.

0:33:06.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, that too. Although you know what? Fatherhood has changed my opinion on the difficulty of… You see a common tweet maybe in 2023 or 2024, that did well in fitness Twitter was along the lines of, if you’re 18 and you’re in good shape, who cares? If you’re 28 and you’re in good shape, basically every decade older you are, the more impressive it is if you’re in good shape. That’s becoming more and more real to me. Not necessarily because of the physiological differences that occur as we age, although that’s part of it, but the lifestyle changes. Yeah.

0:33:52.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. The responsibilities, the stress, the time, all of that. I mean, before you could go to the gym two hours a day, five days a week. My buddy Alec. Alec put on his story the other day that he was like, yeah, just got back from… He runs all the time. He runs and lifts. He’s like, yeah, spent two and a half hours on the trail. I’m like, two and a half hours on the trail. That’s, couldn’t imagine. Because then, number one, you got to drive to the trail. So it’s like, I don’t know.

0:34:20.9 Mike Vacanti: It’s more than two and a half hours.

0:34:22.2 Jordan Syatt: Let’s call it 20 minutes driving there, going, and then 20 minutes back, and then getting your meal in. I mean, that’s, it’s like a four-hour trip. That’s a four-hour endeavor.

0:34:35.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. It’s a good chunk of your day.

0:34:38.0 Jordan Syatt: Which is amazing. If I didn’t have kids, I would love to do that.

0:34:42.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. I saw something. I don’t know how legit this is, but dads who spend over, I think it was like three hours a day with their young children see a 30% reduction in test levels.

0:34:59.1 Jordan Syatt: Was that a tweet that you saw?

0:35:00.7 Mike Vacanti: No. Tweet. Dude, I’m on PubMed like, you’re on Chess.com. All right. Yes, the claim is largely accurate based on a landmark 2011 study, though the exact 30% figure refers specifically to the overall drop in test upon becoming a father, rather than solely due to. Okay. However, the study does confirm that greater daily caregiving time, including over three hours per day, correlates with lower test T levels among fathers, supporting the idea that active fatherhood amplifies the effect.

0:35:33.7 Jordan Syatt: I bet it’s just because you’re spending three hours or more a day, you’re fucking exhausted. You’re probably not lifting weights. You’re pro… Like I would imagine.

0:35:41.7 Mike Vacanti: I think there’s a biological, like an evolutionary biological argument to be made that if you’re going over all of human history, the father is less nurturing and spending less time with an under two-year-old, let’s say, compared to the mother, and having slightly lower testosterone levels and lower aggression makes a father, I don’t know, better with young kids.

0:36:09.4 Jordan Syatt: There’s definitely an argument to be made for it. I know you think I’m on test, but my test is good. I spend a lot of hours with my kids.

0:36:19.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, I know you spend tons of time with your kids, which is why I know that you’re injecting test so… Got that wide jaw going.

0:36:27.1 Jordan Syatt: Did I tell you that there are places that… And I’m not on test. I will tell you when I get on test, but…

0:36:34.7 Mike Vacanti: By the way, that’s my line that I’ve been saying since 2015.

0:36:38.1 Jordan Syatt: And you’re not on yet.

0:36:39.7 Mike Vacanti: I know, but just a little plagiarism.

0:36:41.5 Jordan Syatt: You’re never going to get on.

0:36:42.4 Mike Vacanti: It was a little verbal plagiarism, but it’s all right. Keep going. But I like to have you attribute those kinds of quotes to me, but keep going.

0:36:53.2 Jordan Syatt: You can inject some test and in some quantities Sub-Q now, as opposed to intramuscular.

0:36:59.8 Mike Vacanti: I didn’t know that because I’m not on.

0:37:02.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:37:05.5 Mike Vacanti: That is cool.

0:37:06.3 Jordan Syatt: It is cool.

0:37:07.1 Mike Vacanti: Sub-Q, just easier.

0:37:08.4 Jordan Syatt: Way easier. It’s much smaller needle. It’s not as big of a deal. Going intramuscular, that’s just, that’s a real fucking needle. That’s a real operation that you’re doing.

0:37:23.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, I don’t like. I’m gonna try. And I gotta get my test levels back up.

0:37:27.5 Jordan Syatt: Where are they?

0:37:28.3 Mike Vacanti: Probably 900. Probably not. I think the last time I had a hormone panel done, I should actually get one done. It’s been over two years at this point, I think, and every one I’ve had was between 700 and 900. I think I’ve had three or four. Yeah.

0:37:47.1 Jordan Syatt: It’s amazing. I was talking to another guy in this group because now all the fitness questions are coming to me. This guy came in this security group, and he was like, yeah, you know, I’m on TRT, da, da, da. I was like, oh, what are your levels at? He’s like, 1200. I was like, that’s, of course not TRT.

0:38:03.7 Mike Vacanti: But that’s the majority of guys on TRT, especially if they’re…

0:38:10.7 Jordan Syatt: In fitness.

0:38:12.0 Mike Vacanti: Well, well, yeah, of course. But then especially if they’re under, I was going to say under 40, but really under 50, I would say.

0:38:20.8 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, he’s in his 30s. He’s like 1200. Yeah, we got a red face.

0:38:30.1 Mike Vacanti: I don’t think we should go to your Q&A because last week we went to your Q&A and I went off.

0:38:34.7 Jordan Syatt: You went off furious.

0:38:35.5 Mike Vacanti: I went off the handle about water, which I don’t take any of it back. I’ll double down if I have to. Yep. I don’t regret a word that I said. I don’t remember exactly, but I do know that the thesis of… I guess this is a pet peeve of mine when people ask a question as a form of procrastination, when they know what they should do. Which is why I liked the guy who was having trouble getting to the gym. Like, what should I do? Because that was an actual thing that he should be doing.

0:39:13.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, but he knew what he should be doing.

0:39:15.6 Mike Vacanti: I know, but at least he was focused on, like, a top three thing. He wasn’t ignoring the fact that he should go to the gym and masking it by pretending he cares about 87 ounces versus 74 ounces of water a day like it matters.

0:39:28.8 Jordan Syatt: Should I pull up the Q&A or no?

0:39:30.7 Mike Vacanti: Absolutely not. No. I think that was the retirement of the Q&A. I think if we ever do trivia, episode 247 was when Jordan’s Instagram Q&A got retired from How To Become A Personal Trainer podcast.

0:39:47.4 Jordan Syatt: What else is going on?

0:39:49.0 Mike Vacanti: Brother, it’s…

0:39:50.5 Jordan Syatt: What’s your training split right now?

0:39:52.0 Mike Vacanti: I actually just did… I’m on a… I’m doing four workouts over a 10-day cycle. So basically like training three times a week alternating four workouts. Two are upper body days, one is a lower and ab day and one is like a lower/feel good day. And that was today. It was the lower/feel good.

0:40:11.3 Jordan Syatt: What’s feel good? Mobility stuff?

0:40:12.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, some mobility, some just stuff I like. I’ll just read the whole thing off for you. It’s a whole bunch of exercises and two to three sets of each. Relatively short rest times like mobility interspersed. Cable pullover A1 cable pullover, B1 bad girl, B2 long lever hollow body, C1 good girl with like 15 second pause on the first few reps and so like really getting a nice stretch in there. C2 dead hang, C3 single arm plank reach. Doing some internal and external shoulder rotations. Then I got this comprehensive neck warmup followed by weighted neck flexion and extension. Two sets of extension, one set of flexion, banded shoulder dislocations, face pulls. I swapped out the cable pull through just with some single leg hip thrusts that felt better, and some leg extensions. But I really want to find a leg extension machine that gets a bigger stretch. Actually, you know what? I had a solution for that.

0:41:19.7 Jordan Syatt: Put an Airex pad on it.

0:41:21.8 Mike Vacanti: I want even bigger than that. But it’s like a round pad. It’s not this… Like the square one, you can put yoga blocks, and that can work pretty well. The round one. I don’t know. I don’t really want like a yoga block to go flying off.

0:41:38.2 Jordan Syatt: Have you seen the ad for it?

0:41:39.6 Mike Vacanti: For what?

0:41:40.2 Jordan Syatt: For… There’s… They have an ad. I’ve got served this ad like 50 times for this round pad that attaches to the leg extension machine that makes it a much bigger stretch. So it’s… I forget what it’s called, but I’ve been served this ad 50 times, which means it’s a shit ad because I can’t remember what it’s called. But it’s essentially like, you know how they have the bar pad for a squat or whatever that you shouldn’t use when you put on your back, it’s that but much thicker. And so it’s made specifically for the leg extension.

0:42:13.9 Mike Vacanti: And it goes around the leg extension.

0:42:15.8 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, it’s just one half, so it doesn’t go around the entire thing. It just goes around one half of it. But it’s really thick so that you get a much bigger stretch. But I’ve just been putting an Airex pad or two over the top of it, and it gets the exact same thing done where you get a much bigger stretch.

0:42:31.3 Mike Vacanti: I might have to look into that. Maybe I’ll start getting ads for it after this podcast, the way they’re cooking us these days.

0:42:38.5 Jordan Syatt: Let me, let me pull it up.

0:42:40.0 Mike Vacanti: Do you say good girl and bad girl in your content?

0:42:42.4 Jordan Syatt: I mean, I don’t really talk about. Oh, it’s called the HUSLA Leg Extension Add-On. I think is what it’s called. Yeah, H-U-S-L-A, which what a… I don’t like that name. HUSLA. It’s huge. I don’t really talk about that exercise much in general, but if I was going to talk about it, I probably wouldn’t just only refer to it as the good girl, bad girl. I’d probably say, the adductor, abductor, good girl. I would probably say what it is and then add that. But I don’t just only say that. On this podcast, I think most people know what we’re talking about. But on mine I would add that context. But I’m not worried about people being mad about saying it.

0:43:26.4 Mike Vacanti: Interesting.

0:43:27.3 Jordan Syatt: Why?

0:43:28.1 Mike Vacanti: Just trying to get a state of how emotionally fragile the evidence-based fitness industry is right now. And that was like a good proxy for where they’re at with social issues and 2017 outrage, things of that nature.

0:43:45.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, I was gonna say, I think peak fragility was like between 2017 and 2020.

0:43:50.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, but I still… When my fingers take me to Instagram for the eight seconds, sometimes I’ll see something wild while I’m there, then just like get me out of there.

0:44:01.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, yeah. I think people are just tired of the overly fragile, overly offended by every single thing. But I mean, it still exists.

0:44:11.2 Mike Vacanti: But some people are tired of it. I think some people made it their career.

0:44:16.8 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, yeah.

0:44:17.7 Mike Vacanti: Have monetized it, have been audience captured into that being their identity, even if they might not actually believe those things.

0:44:24.6 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, agreed.

0:44:25.7 Mike Vacanti: What’s your caffeine intake like right now?

0:44:30.9 Jordan Syatt: Depends on the day. A low day, I would say is probably 200 milligrams and a higher day is probably like 450, 500.

0:44:40.1 Mike Vacanti: What are your sources?

0:44:41.3 Jordan Syatt: Coffee and Diet Coke.

0:44:45.6 Mike Vacanti: Wow, you’re getting 500 off of coffee and Diet Coke.

0:44:48.7 Jordan Syatt: If it’s a 500 day, I’ll get one of those Reign energy drinks, Orange Dreamsicle. And that has 300. That is 301. And, like, I’ll drink like three quarters of it. My wife will have the last bit. She’s obsessed with it. She’s like, this flavor is insane. But no, if it’s usually coffee, I’ll have like two a day. But I have about half. By the time it gets cold, I stop drinking it. But I’ll have like two of those and then a handful of Diet Cokes. Yeah, that’ll get me to about 200, 250.

0:45:24.7 Mike Vacanti: What percentage… How many followers do you have on Instagram?

0:45:27.8 Jordan Syatt: I don’t know. A million.

0:45:30.2 Mike Vacanti: What percentage of your million followers, if you just sat them down, they didn’t have any time to prep and you asked them, what’s the difference between adduction and abduction would get that right?

0:45:44.2 Jordan Syatt: We’re going back to this.

0:45:45.8 Mike Vacanti: Just curious. Just curious.

0:45:51.4 Jordan Syatt: A very small percentage would get it right.

0:45:53.2 Mike Vacanti: Give me a number. Single digit.

0:45:54.4 Jordan Syatt: Single digit percentage. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Correct. Cool. Significantly less than, like, less than 10%, for sure.

0:46:00.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yeah.

0:46:02.3 Jordan Syatt: I think there are some people who call themselves coaches who don’t know what that would be.

0:46:06.8 Mike Vacanti: Cool. So I’m glad that those slightly broish, slightly funny, slightly accurate terms that are more easily distinguishable were passed down to us for those machines so that people can know which machine they’re doing.

0:46:30.4 Jordan Syatt: I remember when I would coach in person, I would call it that, and everyone would laugh. Women would laugh. It brought levity into the session.

0:46:40.6 Mike Vacanti: But that was 2012.

0:46:42.6 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, correct.

0:46:43.8 Mike Vacanti: It’s a different time.

0:46:45.1 Jordan Syatt: But the thing is, I bet even the people who, not all of them, but I bet most people who would get upset about it online, if it was said in person, I bet they would think it’s funny. But oftentimes people go online looking to be offended, whereas in person, with the delivery, I think more people would be like, oh, that’s actually pretty funny. But online, they’re looking to be mad about something. People turn on social media with their shield in one hand, sword in the other, and are like, let’s go to fucking war. That’s how they go on to social media.

0:47:16.8 Mike Vacanti: Do you think that that is primarily because social media algorithms have primed people to expect war when they come online?

0:47:26.5 Jordan Syatt: Mm-hmm, yeah. I think when people go on, they’re like, there’s like a bracing for impact type thing. It’s like they’re lined up at the battlefield. They’re just waiting for the order to strike. So I think 100%, because you’re about to be attacked in some way, you’re about to. You’re going to get something that feels like an attack on you, and I guess it’s your responsibility to figure out how you respond. But I think many people are just ready to go to war and other people are, meh, whatever.

0:47:58.6 Mike Vacanti: I wonder if those people on 2011 Facebook would have had the same attitude and mindset logging onto the app.

0:48:10.3 Jordan Syatt: Back then, absolutely not. Back then, it was all fun. Back then, it was just like, you’re only interacting with your friends.

0:48:17.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, but I remember 2013, some real debate. Someone would post a squat technique video and people would be arguing in the comments about the technique.

0:48:29.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, but that wasn’t even close to the majority of it. And a lot of it back then was like, I’m gonna write on my friend’s wall something funny and post pictures, and all my friends are gonna see it. It was a very different interaction process. And yeah, when you, when we got in the fitness space, I remember I had to block one of my old friends. His name was Bucky. That’s what we called him. Because I wrote my strength lessons every day. For years, I would put up a strength lesson every day. And six out of seven strength lessons, he was in there arguing. And this kid never worked out. He wasn’t involved in fitness but every fucking time Bucky was leaving these argumentative comments. I eventually blocked him. And then he texted me. He’s like, dude, what? What’s going on? I was like, dude, you were fucking arguing with me every single day. I got tired of it. He’s like, all right, I won’t do it again.

0:49:17.0 Mike Vacanti: Did you unblock him?

0:49:17.9 Jordan Syatt: I unblocked him and it’s like, all right, I don’t want you commenting on my fucking strength lessons anymore.

0:49:22.8 Mike Vacanti: And did he stop?

0:49:24.0 Jordan Syatt: He never commented on a strength lesson again.

0:49:25.7 Mike Vacanti: That’s nice.

0:49:26.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yeah, it was great. I mean, we were friends. I was just, I was tired of it.

0:49:29.5 Mike Vacanti: Does he lack social awareness?

0:49:32.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:49:32.8 Mike Vacanti: Does he maybe not even think he was being argumentative?

0:49:35.5 Jordan Syatt: Yes. Yeah, yeah. Had no clue. Yeah, but there wasn’t, like, a hide comment option.

0:49:40.6 Mike Vacanti: What’s Bucky up to these days?

0:49:42.2 Jordan Syatt: I don’t know. I haven’t spoken to Bucky in years.

0:49:44.2 Mike Vacanti: We should get him on the pod. Our first guest in episode 249 is Bucky. Bucky, do you remember Jordan’s strength lessons? I used to love those strength lessons. I used to love engaging with them. I was really getting on the right path. And then one day. And then one day, out of nowhere.

0:50:07.7 Jordan Syatt: I went for the strength lesson, and I couldn’t find his page. Yeah, that was the only option back then, I guess you could unfriend, but I didn’t want to unfriend him. I was just like, I don’t want you to see my shit anymore, Bucky.

0:50:24.6 Mike Vacanti: Makes sense, dude. I think everyone here who has made content consistently for some period of time can relate and would have done the same thing.

0:50:37.1 Jordan Syatt: Man, those were the days. Sometimes I’ll get served up those strength lessons. Like, 10 years ago, you said this.

0:50:42.8 Mike Vacanti: That was a good lesson.

0:50:44.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, it was so many of the same things.

0:50:47.2 Mike Vacanti: Do they… Yeah, I was gonna say, do they hold up today?

0:50:51.1 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, yeah, they do. For sure. I mean, I posted more memes back then which I forgot. You know, like that, like, Morpheus meme. I know I never did, Ned. Oh, maybe I did, but I didn’t know who he was back then. When did that show come out?

0:51:12.8 Mike Vacanti: Well, in 2013, I watched the Red Wedding, and so maybe 2011.

0:51:20.8 Jordan Syatt: Oh, interesting. Wow. Yeah, I didn’t watch that show until, what, 2022, I think is when you were like, dude, you’ve got to watch the show.

0:51:28.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, maybe ’21 somewhere in there. But yeah, I remember Adam. Mind Pump Adam was like, hey, man, welcome to 2015.

0:51:38.4 Jordan Syatt: I forgot about that. Yeah. There was a Morpheus meme where he was like, what if I told you, da, da, da, da. I post that meme a lot. A lot of memes back then. But the strength lessons were. That was my Westside Barbell powerlifting era. So everything was just about maximal strength, dynamic effort, speed training, deadlift technique. And yeah, it all still holds true.

0:52:06.6 Mike Vacanti: That’s what you were into.

0:52:07.6 Jordan Syatt: What was your only primary content? Did you… You didn’t do much on social media back then, right? It was mostly just website articles.

0:52:14.9 Mike Vacanti: One.

0:52:15.8 Jordan Syatt: 2013, ’14, ’15. I guess, no. You did ’14, ’15 because you were coaching Gary.

0:52:21.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, in ’13, it was website articles and Facebook. I think ’14, I started to do more YouTube. And then ’15, I started to do even more YouTube. I think January 1st, 2015 equals an alternatives launch. I did 100 episodes of that. But, yeah, it was Facebook, Fitocracy. I was posting on Instagram, too.

0:52:49.7 Jordan Syatt: Fitness stuff?

0:52:50.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, yeah.

0:52:52.8 Jordan Syatt: Do you remember when you got Instagram? Why did you get Instagram?

0:52:58.7 Mike Vacanti: I got Instagram to make fitness content in the winter/spring of 2013, maybe April 13th, somewhere in there. I might have had it before, but my first post was fitness.

0:53:16.4 Jordan Syatt: And you got it specifically or you started posting specifically for fitness content. Were you following people who were doing fitness?

0:53:23.3 Mike Vacanti: I honestly don’t even really remember. Yeah, it was for business, though. That’s the episode. Thank you very much for listening. Jordan’s. We’re not going to Jordan’s Q&A well, for maybe 100 episodes.

0:53:41.3 Jordan Syatt: Ever.

0:53:41.9 Mike Vacanti: We’re just gonna, we’re gonna just… We’re gonna come prepared. We’re gonna have some really good things to talk about, which is better than the Q&A, in my opinion. We like listener questions. If you have questions, you can email info@fitnessbusinessmentorship.com and ask.

0:53:56.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Any business questions, coaching questions, email info@fitnessbusinessmentorship.com, and we’ll go through them here.

0:54:03.5 Mike Vacanti: And winging it and just continuing to talk about being offline and off of our phones more.

0:54:08.8 Jordan Syatt: We’re going to join Nick’s mastermind.

0:54:12.4 Mike Vacanti: How to use your phone as little as possible.

0:54:14.8 Jordan Syatt: For eight minutes a day.

0:54:16.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yeah, that’s something. Yeah. Mentorship is on sale officially. You can go to fitnessbusinessmentorship.com and apply to join for $500 off the initiation fee. I will get back to you within 48 hours. Let’s go. We’ll be back next week.

0:54:35.3 Jordan Syatt: See ya.