Episode 251: Jake Paul, Nick Fuentes, Zohran Mamdani, and The Healthiest Thing You Can Do…

0:00:11.7 Mike Vacanti: Hello, Jordan.

0:00:12.3 Jordan Syatt: What’s up, Michael?

0:00:13.0 Mike Vacanti: What’s happening, brother? You’re in an undisclosed location.

0:00:15.7 Jordan Syatt: Atlanta. I’m in Atlanta.

0:00:18.0 Mike Vacanti: It’s a disclosed location. Disclosed.

0:00:21.8 Jordan Syatt: In Atlanta visiting my wife’s family. We took the first travel day with two toddlers, which was an experience. They did great. They did great. But even when they’re great, it’s tough.

0:00:33.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, you didn’t give me that preface. I just heard that it’s tough part.

0:00:37.1 Jordan Syatt: Listen, it’s tough. But thinking about like you and I have both been on a lot of flights in our lifetime. And I’ve been around some kids who are struggling and screaming and struggling with the air pressure changes. My kids were great. Thank God they didn’t struggle with air pressure changes. My oldest is just so chill. My wife got her this sticker book and she just played with the stickers the whole time. Well, last time she just sat on me and just she looked at the guy next to me who was sleeping and it was actually adorable. Early in the flight, this guy falls asleep and my daughter goes, “Abba, he’s sleeping.” And I was like, “Yeah, he’s sleeping.” And then she starts singing ‘Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star’ to try help him stay asleep.

0:01:30.2 Mike Vacanti: That’s awesome. Just help him out, let him just relax.

0:01:32.5 Jordan Syatt: And then she played with the sticker book. My youngest, she is wild. And so she just has no chill whatsoever. So she just was moving the whole time, which was just a lot of just like ba, ba, ba, ba, just like egh, just all over the place, putting her mouth on everything, putting it on the TV screen. And she kept trying to grab the chair in front. And we’re like, “Nope, nope, nope. Don’t want to bother the person in front of you.”

0:01:57.7 Mike Vacanti: 15 months?

0:01:58.6 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, about that.

0:02:00.8 Mike Vacanti: That sounds about right for that age, right?

0:02:01.8 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:02:02.1 Mike Vacanti: There’s not a lot you can do to control that.

0:02:04.5 Jordan Syatt: No. So it was relative to what it could have been. It was great, but still tough. You know when you’re flying by yourself, you just breeze right into the airport.

0:02:16.7 Mike Vacanti: Do I?

0:02:17.2 Jordan Syatt: It’s just you have one bag, you’ve got your backpack on, you’re good to go. This time we’re trying to get in the car and get the car seats going. And then all the different bags. This is why I walk with a weighted vest. I’m carrying 12 bags right now.

0:02:34.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Training for it.

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0:02:35.6 Jordan Syatt: I’m like, this is functional.

0:02:39.0 Mike Vacanti: You’re ready for it.

0:02:40.9 Jordan Syatt: Absolutely essential. Then we just went on a walk in Atlanta. At least where we are is very hilly, way more hilly than Dallas is flat. There’s nothing. And my daughter likes… My oldest likes me to put her on my shoulders and run with her up hills. So this is just functional training that I’m doing with the weighted vest.

0:03:00.5 Mike Vacanti: Well, good. Jordan’s in Atlanta for Thanksgiving. We still have the Black Friday sale for the fitness business mentorship going on right now, but it’s ending very soon. So if you’re interested in joining or even considering joining, submit an application, fitnessbusinessmentorship.com. If you’re accepted, $500 off is our Black Friday sale. Next week, it’s probably over next week. So I don’t want to hear any like, “Oh, I just heard about this sale. Can I please get in? ” Nope. You got to wait till next year Black Friday 2026.

0:03:32.9 Jordan Syatt: And to be honest, number one, last call for the sale. That’s it. Number one. Number two is, enough talk about improving your businesses. I have, God willing, another kid on the way. Mike’s going to have 12 more kids, God willing. Help support us. Help us out. We need a little bit of help here. So never mind your businesses, which will radically be improved. Give us a little bit of wiggle room for us. We need it. We need it bad.

0:04:01.2 Mike Vacanti: I like that. Going for a little sympathy card, going for a little right hook. That’s good, Jordan. That’s good. Yes. Build your business. Help more people. Help your clients more. Get more clients. Grow your audience. Ideally have more meaning in your work and purpose and enjoy what you’re doing and also succeed and see some material gains.

0:04:23.5 Jordan Syatt: And help us we don’t have ads on the podcast.

0:04:28.0 Mike Vacanti: Help us, he says. This guy is too much. I love it. I love it. You know what? Or don’t. Honestly, or don’t. The way I’ve sold my whole career is we’re going to be fine either way. Help us or don’t, we’re gonna…

0:04:43.9 Jordan Syatt: You know what? Don’t even do it. Don’t join. Just don’t even join.

0:04:47.2 Mike Vacanti: Honestly, I really like the crew we have right now. I don’t know that I want to disrupt their…

0:04:51.7 Jordan Syatt: We have an amazing crew.

0:04:54.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Incredible. Black Friday sale ends soon.

0:05:01.2 Jordan Syatt: Don’t take advantage of it.

0:05:04.3 Mike Vacanti: Do not buy these t-shirts that say “Ice Cream Fits My Macros”. Do not buy them. Save your $14.

0:05:10.2 Jordan Syatt: That was one of the best sales pitches of all time. If anyone doesn’t know, Mike sold t-shirts “Ice Cream Fits My Macros” and his sales pitch when they launched was, “Don’t get it.”

0:05:21.0 Mike Vacanti: You have to understand that it wasn’t a sale. I didn’t know it was a sales pitch. It was just me instructing the audience on how to best use their dollars.

0:05:29.9 Jordan Syatt: Just some financial advice.

0:05:31.1 Mike Vacanti: Just some financial advice, yeah. What else is happening, brother?

0:05:36.3 Jordan Syatt: Man, I’ll tell you what’s happening.

0:05:38.7 Mike Vacanti: You got a list? I got a list.

0:05:40.0 Jordan Syatt: I don’t have one, but I was going to say after the flight yesterday and all that and being in the house, man, my back was just feeling ick. And I was like, “We got to move. We got to get out.” So we just went on this really nice long walk. Feel better immediately.

0:05:54.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Movement’s the game.

0:05:55.8 Jordan Syatt: It’s everything.

0:05:56.6 Mike Vacanti: Movement’s the game. We don’t do enough of it. We don’t have our lives structured in a way where it… I shouldn’t say we. I and many of us don’t have our lives structured in a way where it happens seamlessly. Although I was in New York City for three days coaching Gary. By the way, that city is electric. I don’t… You know what? I didn’t know a lot about this Mamdani character. Mamdani?

0:06:23.8 Jordan Syatt: Mamdani.

0:06:25.0 Mike Vacanti: That guy has made the city…

0:06:26.4 Jordan Syatt: He’s not even in office yet.

0:06:27.5 Mike Vacanti: He has made the city great again. That guy is…

0:06:32.6 Jordan Syatt: He’s bringing it back.

0:06:34.2 Mike Vacanti: He’s brought it all… I don’t even know if it went anywhere. The built-in steps required, daily step count, just to live your life in New York City is such a body comp/health hack. And I don’t know that I’ve ever used the word hack in 38 years of life. It is a hack to just effortlessly move, get blood flow, feel good, burn calories, have your body feeling good. Yeah. So I had a good couple days in New York. Gary had a few amazing workouts. And shout out Zohran.

0:07:23.8 Jordan Syatt: Zohran.

0:07:27.7 Mike Vacanti: I’ve been off X for a while. I’m checked out of politics. Feels great.

0:07:30.0 Jordan Syatt: That also comes with the long term of like, as you… Long term listeners will remember the buildings that could fall on you at any time. Just the…

0:07:40.4 Mike Vacanti: Laird Hamilton went on Joe Rogan, the famous surfer, and talked about how it’s unnatural to be around all those buildings because your cortisol is… You know what? The man has a point. But I think there’s something about living at the extremes with certain decisions. And one of them being… You could call it city versus country with suburbs in the middle, or you could call it population density. And there being great value at the extremes. If you’re going to be in a city, be in the Mecca, the city, New York City, or be on several acres of wide open land and a nice, beautiful view and ability… Like space and land and all that good stuff.

0:08:29.9 Jordan Syatt: If you could choose between living…

0:08:32.7 Mike Vacanti: Both. Both.

0:08:33.5 Jordan Syatt: No, if you… Only choose one. If you could only choose…

0:08:36.6 Mike Vacanti: No, it’s yin and yang. Do you want sun or the moon? Do you want…

0:08:39.0 Jordan Syatt: If I could only choose one?

0:08:40.1 Mike Vacanti: Fire or ice? Do you want… This is life, Jordan. We’re talking about life here.

0:08:44.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, but I’m making a hypothetical. You can only choose one.

0:08:47.5 Mike Vacanti: I’m the king of nuance. Go ahead.

0:08:52.1 Jordan Syatt: You can only choose one. Live in New York City, right in the heart, New York City, or live on a 100-acre farm.

0:09:04.8 Mike Vacanti: Do I have to maintain it?

0:09:06.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:09:06.5 Mike Vacanti: Well, then, so I would be a farmer. To maintain a farm that has 100 acres.

0:09:12.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, either that or you’re the CEO of a massive company working crazy hours, just tons of work stress or the stress of maintaining your farm, traveling all the time, nonstop meetings, or you’re just always on your farm.

0:09:32.0 Mike Vacanti: So this isn’t me in my life right now, in my situation, and this is just…

0:09:35.3 Jordan Syatt: No. This is a completely made up situation.

0:09:37.3 Mike Vacanti: In a vacuum. Would you rather be a very busy CEO or a very busy farmer?

0:09:45.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Both really difficult.

0:09:47.8 Mike Vacanti: The thing is, I know more about being a very busy CEO and I know I’m not cut out for that. I also romanticize farming. Like, I know that it’s way more difficult than I can even comprehend, and I know it’s difficult. Man, that’s a tough one. That’s a tough one. I don’t know anything. I really can’t answer because I don’t know anything about farming. I would like to say farming.

0:10:21.8 Jordan Syatt: But you have to.

0:10:23.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Look, I would to say that being outside…

0:10:28.4 Jordan Syatt: What do you mean it’s better for your soul?

0:10:30.1 Mike Vacanti: Farming.

0:10:30.8 Jordan Syatt: There you go.

0:10:31.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Laird Hamilton, the buildings could fall on you at any moment. But I would say my soul, I don’t think that’s universal because there are people who are running amazing organizations and are built to be CEOs.

0:10:49.6 Jordan Syatt: Not everyone’s built to be a farmer. Not everyone’s built to be CEO.

0:10:52.5 Mike Vacanti: But I don’t think I’m built to be a farmer. I romanticize the idea. My great-grandfather had a farm.

0:11:01.0 Jordan Syatt: When you romanticize it, what goes through your head? What are you thinking? What’s the first image of farming?

0:11:07.3 Mike Vacanti: Sun and grass and like…

0:11:10.0 Jordan Syatt: Like, are you mowing the lawn? Are you feeding the horses? Are you planting corn?

0:11:15.9 Mike Vacanti: Dude, I’m heading back to the house from the barn at noon for lunch because the lunch bell just got rang and it’s time to go sit down and enjoy lunch.

0:11:29.1 Jordan Syatt: What’s for lunch?

0:11:31.4 Mike Vacanti: Something dialed. Something fresh off the farm.

0:11:33.8 Jordan Syatt: Cornbread?

0:11:36.3 Mike Vacanti: Not cornbread, Jordan. No, I’m not eating cornbread in the middle…

0:11:38.9 Jordan Syatt: You just burned 3,000 calories working hard from 3:00 AM.

0:11:41.3 Mike Vacanti: That’ll be dinner. No, not 3:00 AM. I don’t know what kind of farm you’re running. I ain’t getting up at… Depends what time of year it is. What would you rather do in your hypothetical situation?

0:11:51.5 Jordan Syatt: Well, same caveats, but definitely farm for sure.

0:11:56.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:11:57.1 Jordan Syatt: Because we’ve both seen high-level CEO and how difficult it is and how rewarding it can be, but really how difficult it is. But like, man, in these small rooms all the time, traveling place to place, meeting after meeting after meeting after meeting.

0:12:18.3 Mike Vacanti: The posture you’re in in those meetings, the lack of movement.

0:12:22.1 Jordan Syatt: Yeah dude. Yeah. And then farming… Listen, I’ve never been a farmer, but I’ve done manual labor before. I’ve done that before and it’s really challenging and it’s exhausting. And there were moments where it’s just like you’re outside looking at the beautiful scenery and just being like, “Man, this is incredible.” And also it’s really tough. So I think the ideal would be on a farm that you can pay people to maintain for you. And then also you get out there and help them.

0:12:58.7 Mike Vacanti: But the way you pay them is by traveling out to the big city and working all the time and being stressed out so you can pay the salary to all of your help on the farm. Yeah. So we went into a… I really liked that question. That was a fun hypothetical. Well done by you. When I was thinking about city versus country, I wasn’t thinking about farm. I was just thinking, you know…

0:13:26.2 Jordan Syatt: Couple acres?

0:13:27.0 Mike Vacanti: Couple acres. Yeah. Space. Room to run.

0:13:32.3 Jordan Syatt: In my daughter’s school, they do so many great things. They just did this thing where they planted corn in a little tray, a tin tray. And the rate at which this corn stalk, it was 12 corn stalks that they grew, is insane. And it made me be like, “I want to plant corn.” It was in a tin tray, like a tin full tray. They planted corn and soil and boom, it shot up so fast. I’m like…

0:14:00.8 Mike Vacanti: Nice. I didn’t know it grew that fast.

0:14:02.2 Jordan Syatt: This is a lesson they did for three-year-olds. And I’m over here, 34, being like, “That’s awesome. We’re getting corn.”

0:14:07.2 Mike Vacanti: We’re getting corn. Do you like corn?

0:14:11.1 Jordan Syatt: You know what’s funny? My wife loves corn. So we grill a couple times a week and I’ll grill corn. It’s her favorite. Grilled corn with grilled vegetables and chicken. I’ve never been the biggest fan of it, but I do like it. And since I saw them make this corn, and then I grilled it a couple times after that, I’ve enjoyed it more.

0:14:36.3 Mike Vacanti: Nice.

0:14:36.8 Jordan Syatt: It’s just this… If this weird place in my brain was like, you know what? If I could do this, I think I would like it even more.

0:14:44.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, if you’re growing it.

0:14:46.1 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, you’re growing your own.

0:14:47.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, I think so. And I think you can acquire most tastes. If you want to like something, I think you can…

0:14:56.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, it’s just more meaningful.

0:14:57.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. That added layer, definitely.

0:15:00.0 Jordan Syatt: I’d really like to get to a point where I could have my own awesome garden with tomatoes and corn and peppers and mint.

0:15:07.4 Mike Vacanti: Dude, start a garden.

0:15:08.9 Jordan Syatt: I’m probably going to start looking up on YouTube how to start your own garden.

0:15:12.4 Mike Vacanti: Nice. What percentage of that is just purely interest and fun and what percentage is prepper?

0:15:18.5 Jordan Syatt: In this case, it’s 20% prepper, 80% fun.

0:15:21.7 Mike Vacanti: Wow.

0:15:22.5 Jordan Syatt: There’s also the side of it that’s just like it’s a fun thing to do with the girls and for them to…

0:15:28.9 Mike Vacanti: Family activity.

0:15:31.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, and to get them appreciating food more, where it comes from, having more of a connection to food. People talk about mindful eating and they really often only talk about mindful in terms of are you full or not in relation to body composition. But when you become more mindful in terms of this started as a seed that we put in the dirt and now… That’s just one of the most wild things to me. It was a seed and you put seed in the fucking dirt. The thing that everyone’s like, “No, don’t play in the dirt. You’re going to get dirty.” It gives it the nutrients to grow into something that can then give you… It’s just crazy to me. I know it sounds ridiculous, but it’s actually a miracle. And I feel that’s… It doesn’t really get much more mindful than that. When you’re like, I was able to grow this and now we’re able to feed ourselves with it. And I don’t know. I feel it gives much more meaning and mindfulness to your food.

0:16:30.3 Mike Vacanti: Seed to table.

0:16:31.3 Jordan Syatt: Seed to table.

0:16:32.1 Mike Vacanti: Got the whole supply chain right there in your yard. My sister’s got a little garden in her yard. She loves it.

0:16:37.6 Jordan Syatt: Oh, really?

0:16:38.2 Mike Vacanti: Tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers.

0:16:40.8 Jordan Syatt: That’s awesome.

0:16:41.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. ‘Miracle’ is an unbelievably underrated movie.

0:16:47.2 Jordan Syatt: Did you watch it again?

0:16:48.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. I actually threw it on in the background thinking that I’ll just put this on the plane while I do design training programs. And I did that, but then just left it on the whole flight and then ended up watching the last half hour straight. It’s a very good movie.

0:17:05.9 Jordan Syatt: Is there a line from there that’s your favorite? It’s just again, again, again. It’s such a great scene.

0:17:11.9 Mike Vacanti: Winthrop, Massachusetts. The whole movie is amazing. Yeah. The whole movie is incredible. And just the story of that game.

0:17:22.3 Jordan Syatt: And the fact that it’s a real story, a true story, just makes it even better.

0:17:26.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Of course. More than just a hockey game, brother. 1980, Lake Placid. The Russians.

0:17:33.3 Jordan Syatt: My mom talks about that. My mom’s not a hockey person, but that was a moment in history. The rivalry between the US, the Soviet Union. It’s just wow.

0:17:43.8 Mike Vacanti: The rivalry in terms of the Cold War and what was going on in politics and real life. But then the microcosm of it, which was a bunch of college kids from the USA against the four-time or five-time defending Olympic gold medal champs, the Soviets. Yeah. They played three days before the Olympics started in an exhibition game, USA-Russia. It was 12-1 or something. They just got absolutely destroyed. Anyway, good movie.

0:18:22.0 Jordan Syatt: I liked the hockey masks that the goalies had back then. They were just scarier, more intimidating.

0:18:27.5 Mike Vacanti: They were more intimidating. They’ve now been used as props in horror movies.

0:18:32.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:18:33.8 Mike Vacanti: Which might have led to that. Definitely way less safe. Just a mask that’s resting on your face.

0:18:43.5 Jordan Syatt: I couldn’t imagine that puck hits you. How fast does a puck go from a slap shot? Do you know?

0:18:48.3 Mike Vacanti: So my mind is going to the all-star competitions that I would watch as a kid. I remember Al MacInnis and there were some of these guys who had big slap shots. I want to say they were ripping it 100 to 105 miles per hour then.

0:19:05.1 Jordan Syatt: Oh my gosh.

0:19:06.6 Mike Vacanti: And so maybe even faster now with improvements in training and technology and sticks.

0:19:11.1 Jordan Syatt: And the sticks and everything. Yeah.

0:19:12.6 Mike Vacanti: I’m actually curious. Fastest recorded slap shot. 118 by Bobby Hull in the ’60s?

0:19:22.8 Jordan Syatt: Oh my gosh.

0:19:23.9 Mike Vacanti: No way.

0:19:26.2 Jordan Syatt: That’s crazy.

0:19:27.1 Mike Vacanti: That cannot be right with a wood stick. 109 by Martin Frk. Chara holds the record in the NHL, 108.8 miles per hour in 2012. Interesting.

0:19:38.3 Jordan Syatt: That’s so crazy. And those players jump right in front of the puck to try and block it. Insane.

0:19:44.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, hockey’s cool, man. That actually… Last week you were trying to motivationally interview me slightly into discussion around training, philosophy, ideology, technique if I were preparing for something other than just life. And we were talking about war. Remember? You were asking me how that would change your training.

0:20:08.1 Jordan Syatt: This wasn’t on the podcast, was it?

0:20:09.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, it was.

0:20:10.5 Jordan Syatt: Oh, it was. Okay.

0:20:11.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, last week.

0:20:12.6 Jordan Syatt: Okay. Oh, yeah. I remember. Yeah.

0:20:18.5 Mike Vacanti: Watching ‘Miracle’ brought back… Because it came out in 2004. I graduated high school in ’05. It brought back these intense memories of having non-aesthetic, non-health-based training goals that were purely all I care… Not my training. All I care about in life is winning at this sport. It’s being good at this sport and winning at this sport and how that translated into dry land, shooting pucks, stick handling drills, weight room, everything. It was nostalgic.

0:20:49.8 Jordan Syatt: I remember when I was interning at Cressey’s, just thinking about everything transferring over to performance, not aesthetics. I remember there were some players there who… Because Cressey, they specialize in baseball, and they have players from every single team in the MLB and otherwise, and Eric is the strength and conditioning coach for the Yankees now. But I remember everything was about improving baseball performance. Everything. It had nothing to do with aesthetics. And for some of the players that were struggling to gain weight after training, they would make them sit in the office and eat an entire loaf of bread before they left.

0:21:26.5 Mike Vacanti: Oh yeah?

0:21:27.6 Jordan Syatt: After training, like you gotta sit here, you got to eat this whole loaf of bread. A whole, a big… And it wasn’t like the sliced bread, it was like a loaf, like a old classic old school loaf of bread. And they would sit there and eat this whole… ’cause their kids, they’re young kid athletes and they know they’re gonna go home. And these are the kinds of kids that won’t pay attention to what they eat. They’ll just go to… They’ll go like 12 hours and be like, “Ah, I don’t know if I’ve eaten today.” He’s like, “No, you’re gonna sit here and you’re going to eat this whole loaf of bread before you leave.” Because you don’t know what you’re gonna…

0:22:01.6 Mike Vacanti: I’ve never heard the loaf of bread as a food choice for that.

0:22:04.4 Jordan Syatt: I think it was just easy and low cost and didn’t have to really be refrigerated. And I was like, “Yeah, you’re going to eat this whole thing.”

0:22:16.4 Mike Vacanti: That’s funny.

0:22:17.3 Jordan Syatt: It’s easier to do that than a ton of milk or… Yeah. It’s just easier on your stomach too.

0:22:22.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. GOMAD was…

0:22:24.9 Jordan Syatt: Gross.

0:22:26.5 Mike Vacanti: Not it. I have something controversial that is…

0:22:30.7 Jordan Syatt: Oh, I love that.

0:22:31.6 Mike Vacanti: It’s pretty tongue in cheek. It’s very tongue in cheek. I have a feeling I’m going to be upset because I think you’re going to walk the party line on this one. And I don’t think you’re going to find it as amusing as me because I’m not as offline as I’d like to be, but I’m pretty offline. But when this was happening, I saw a few people getting real crazy about it and I didn’t dig into any of the details. Here we go. There’s the preface.

0:23:00.7 Jordan Syatt: You’re setting yourself up for getting angry right now.

0:23:03.5 Mike Vacanti: No, I’m not. I’m not. I won’t get angry at all. I’ll just be disappointed.

0:23:08.5 Jordan Syatt: You said you’re about to get upset if I walk the party line.

0:23:11.4 Mike Vacanti: Disappointed. Yeah. Like down.

0:23:16.5 Jordan Syatt: Okay. Perfect.

0:23:21.2 Mike Vacanti: For someone who has a substantial amount of body fat, what is the number one thing they can do, the number one thing to improve their health?

0:23:37.5 Jordan Syatt: Lose body fat.

0:23:38.7 Mike Vacanti: How do you lose body fat?

0:23:40.1 Jordan Syatt: Is this the thing that you’re going to be upset about?

0:23:41.4 Mike Vacanti: Mm-hmm.

0:23:42.8 Jordan Syatt: Are you trying to set me up for this that I can’t backtrack?

0:23:45.0 Mike Vacanti: No. What? I don’t even know how to do that.

0:23:47.6 Jordan Syatt: You’re doing it right now, I can tell. Eating a calorie after…

0:23:53.3 Mike Vacanti: Eating a calorie deficit, yeah. We know this. You know this, I know this. We’ve known this for a while. Most of our listeners, maybe all of them, know this.

0:24:02.3 Jordan Syatt: It’s a hell of a setup, brother.

0:24:04.6 Mike Vacanti: So the average body fat percentage of those on SNAP benefits is approximately two and a half to 5% higher than those who are not on SNAP benefits. And so, tongue in cheek, technically, if you actually care about people and you actually care about people’s health, then potentially, again, wasn’t really following, but making some kind of modification to the program might have not been the worst idea.

0:24:48.5 Jordan Syatt: Well, listen. Number one, I obviously…

0:24:52.3 Mike Vacanti: Have you made content about this?

0:24:53.8 Jordan Syatt: No.

0:24:54.3 Mike Vacanti: Okay.

0:24:54.8 Jordan Syatt: No, I haven’t. And I’ll start by saying I haven’t seen those statistics, but I believe it. Let’s just operate under the assumption that… Let’s just operate it’s true. Without question, we would need to do what we need to do to improve their dietary quality.

0:25:12.4 Mike Vacanti: By the way, I’m complete tongue in cheek. I don’t think take away their benefits because that’ll put them in a calorie deficit and then they’ll be healthier. I don’t actually actually think that.

0:25:23.2 Jordan Syatt: No I understand that.

0:25:23.9 Mike Vacanti: But it’s a fun little like…

0:25:25.3 Jordan Syatt: It’s an important topic to discuss, too, though. It’s a real issue. It’s a real issue if we actually care about them and we actually care about their health and society as a whole. It’s a topic that needs to be discussed.

0:25:36.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. And I’m… Yeah, it does. And I don’t… If you have things to say on it, you can absolutely say them. I don’t have anything meaningful to say other than a little annoyed comeback to the virtue signaling crowd that is just trying to maximize dollars via the audience capture they’ve created since COVID or potentially even before and how that shaped their messaging.

0:26:10.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. That’s obnoxious. You’ve got me spinning. I’m trying to figure out if I should take this seriously or not.

0:26:18.6 Mike Vacanti: No, don’t take this seriously. Don’t take this seriously.

0:26:21.2 Jordan Syatt: Okay, never mind. So let’s just end it?

0:26:22.8 Mike Vacanti: Look, obviously, we can’t… Any reasonable society that has the means and the abundance that we have can’t let people starve. That’s unacceptable.

0:26:38.3 Mike Vacanti: I don’t think anyone disagrees with that. And I think it’s almost so obvious that it doesn’t need to be said. When people go so far in the other direction of removing all personal responsibility, it’s just sometimes I just have to express back. And this is the only place where I’m saying anything publicly. So our listeners get to hear it here. Dude. Jake Paul, Anthony Joshua.

0:27:04.5 Jordan Syatt: Is that this week?

0:27:05.4 Mike Vacanti: No, December 19th.

0:27:07.0 Jordan Syatt: Oh, man. Okay. They’re building it up good.

0:27:09.4 Mike Vacanti: Anthony Joshua, knockout artist, legitimate boxer. The reason I wanted to bring it up was because every fight that Jake Paul’s ever had, all of the top comments are like, “Fight a real boxer, fight someone who’s not 50 years old. Stop fighting MMA guys, stop fighting retired guys, stop fighting guys who are easy matchups.” And he finally made this match happen and all of the top comments are, “If Jake wins, I’m never watching boxing again. No way this is real, rigged.” Basically, you can never appease people who don’t like you online and so don’t even try.

0:27:51.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, just no matter what, there’s always going to be people who are figuring out a way to say that it’s not real or call you bullshit, whatever. And as I told you when you spoke about this earlier, I’m one of the biggest Jake Paul haters. I’m not a fan of a lot of what he does. And his persistence in this has earned my respect a great deal. And how clearly how hard he’s been training, how hard he’s working and how he really truly doesn’t care what people think. And maybe he does, but he doesn’t let that prevent him from continuing to do it. It’s wildly impressive. It’s really amazing.

0:28:31.3 Mike Vacanti: Are there any specifics you don’t like outside of the stuff about McGregor’s wife and him kind of just being an idiot as a kid? Are there other things he’s done?

0:28:42.5 Jordan Syatt: I don’t hold anything against him from what he did as a kid. I don’t think that’s fair to hold. And even like… It’s not even mistakes that people make. I tend not to hold mistakes against people. It’s more I would say the way that he’s presented himself is not something that I… I’ll put it this way. If one of my daughters came home and said, “I’m dating Jake Paul.” I would not be like, “That’s a really good man for you to be dating.” Does that make sense?

0:29:19.0 Mike Vacanti: That makes sense.

0:29:22.5 Jordan Syatt: It wouldn’t be like this is… And I can separate that from I respect his work ethic and I respect how he stands for what he believes in, at least from what it appears. But he doesn’t… From the persona that I see, which might be very different from who he is in person, but from the persona that I see, which also we have to take into consideration, the more recent persona is a fighter and the way that fighters sell fights is by being very controversial and doing things that essentially make people want to see them lose. It’s like if that’s how a fighter sells fights, you stand out in a way that makes people want to see you fight. So you can see, are you going to lose this time? And the way that you continue to build it is to not lose, which he hasn’t. So it’s been… He’s done an amazing job from that front. But the way that he presents himself as a fighter and as a public figure now is not something that would make me say, I’d really want to be friends with him nor would I want my daughters dating someone like that.

0:30:20.3 Mike Vacanti: Cool. That makes way more sense. I got thrown off by the word hater. Yeah, that seems like a very legitimate perspective you have of him.

0:30:34.9 Jordan Syatt: And I would love to meet him in person because very rarely… It’s really hard to hate someone in person. It’s really, really difficult. When you meet someone in person, have a one-on-one conversation with them, more often than not you’re going to find that there’s common ground and you understand where they’re coming from and why they’re doing what they’re doing. There is also another side of that that people can put on a front in person. For example, not to go into this, but do you see Tucker Carlson had Nick Fuentes on?

0:31:08.2 Mike Vacanti: I did.

0:31:09.1 Jordan Syatt: I didn’t watch the whole thing, but I don’t even know if this is going to make my point. But Nick Fuentes says the most horrible things that a person can say openly and proudly with his whole chest. And watching it, he literally said straight to Tucker, he said, “I’m a fan of Stalin. I’m a fan of Stalin.” And if I was in front of Nick Fuentes, the way that I imagine myself, if I’m ever in front of him and he says I’m a fan of Stalin, I imagine myself being like, “You’re out of your fucking mind.” To think about the horrors that this man imposed on millions and millions of people. And Tucker just took it and just was like, “Oh, interesting.” Like that. And I know Tucker doesn’t agree with that. I’m not a fan of Tucker either, but I know Tucker doesn’t agree with that. But to watch him not push back at all, it was very odd. And I don’t know why I’m making that connect in terms of when you meet someone in person. I guess the potential light connection would be people can put on a face or you can not push back or… The way they say it or the way they present themselves in person might allow you to see it differently than how it actually is in real life. Yeah, that was shocking to me.

0:32:39.5 Mike Vacanti: People are really struggling with their weight and with overusing their phones. Yeah, man. Civil war. Not that long ago. Not that long ago. Jake Paul, Anthony Joshua. Did you see Fuentes on Tucker? There’s a connection here. Let me tell you. It’s a light connection. But they’re connected. I was confused by the word hater and you’re just… I somewhat agree. I think I maybe am more focused on the like, holy crap, this guy who’s a… Was just a YouTube teeny bopper guy is actually a legitimate boxer now. I think that’s cool to dedicate yourself to a craft that’s that impressive and dangerous. But the way you described it, which was like, is he a great man who I would want to date my daughter? No. Like, oh, well that makes way more sense than how I had… Based on what you know, I get that.

0:33:41.0 Jordan Syatt: Everything that he’s done from a work ethic and career perspective is wildly impressive. And being from on the Disney channel to then becoming essentially a world-class boxer is insane. And facing the amount of adversity that he has and all, it’s incredible. Yeah, so I have all of the respect for things that he has done, including by the way, much of his public philanthropy. I don’t even know about private. I’m sure he… I would imagine he’s done a great amount of private philanthropic efforts, but publicly he’s done a tremendous amount and especially for not just all fighters, but especially for female fighters. He’s been one of the loudest champions of getting female fighters to be paid more. And I think a lot of it comes from his recognition that this is a very dangerous sport and there is no off season like other sports. There’s not… You don’t get some off season where you get to be… You’re always on. You’re always fighting. If you get the call, you got to take it right now. Time of year doesn’t matter. You’re always in shape. There’s no off season. And I think his recognition of that and his participation in the sport and realizing, “Oh man… ” You can hear my daughter in the background.

0:35:05.8 Mike Vacanti: It’s good background noise.

0:35:08.4 Jordan Syatt: I think his recognition of that has been like, “Hey, all fighters need to be paid more.” And then when he saw how little… The lowest fighters on the totem pole and especially women fighters, he’s been going nuts trying to fight for these fighters to get paid what they’re worth.

0:35:27.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. He has.

0:35:28.8 Jordan Syatt: To the point where he’s literally paid for some of their hospital fees, for some of the recovery fees. He’s paid out of his own pocket when they weren’t paid enough. He’s like, “I’m going to give you money.” Which it’s amazing. It’s incredible.

0:35:40.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, Anthony Joshua. I was also going to comment on the Fuentes thing because I wasn’t just going to leave that hanging there after I made the comment about hater versus someone you don’t revere. I also wish that Tucker would have been like, “What do you mean you like Stalin? You’re a fan.” Rather than just like, “Oh, well, we’ll circle back to that.” Because it was not a statement you hear from anyone really. I’m like, “Okay, well explain yourself. That’s weird.”

0:36:12.9 Jordan Syatt: And Tucker’s not afraid to push back on people. He pushes back against basically every…

0:36:18.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. It depends what he’s trying to accomplish.

0:36:18.8 Jordan Syatt: That’s the thing. What are you trying to accomplish here?

0:36:20.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:36:21.6 Jordan Syatt: And that takes it away from…

0:36:23.3 Mike Vacanti: Actually, when you brought up that being… Like he had him on, I was thinking more recent. I think that was maybe a month and a half ago at this point because I watched that and I watched Shapiro’s…

0:36:37.1 Jordan Syatt: Response?

0:36:37.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, it was a 45 minute… He was pulling clips and yeah. I was in the mix at that point. And now thankfully I’m not.

0:36:47.3 Jordan Syatt: Good.

0:36:47.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, it’s a better place to be. Dude, X is bad.

0:36:52.6 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, I never go on X anymore. I would imagine Threads is similar. Threads is horrible.

0:36:57.9 Mike Vacanti: I don’t even know if I have a Threads, but based on when I’m on Instagram and I see a little preview on Threads and maybe a thing or two that you’ve sent me over the years, I feel it’s horrible in a different kind of way.

0:37:14.0 Jordan Syatt: Interesting.

0:37:14.7 Mike Vacanti: X, you can see a post that has 100,000 likes that’s like, every single Jew is evil and they control the world. Threads, you’re seeing very different extremist positions. It’s Facebook. I don’t know, Zucks changed over the years, so who knows? Do you see that type of stuff on Threads as well?

0:37:36.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:37:38.3 Mike Vacanti: Really?

0:37:39.1 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:37:41.4 Mike Vacanti: Wow.

0:37:42.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, it’s pretty bad.

0:37:43.8 Mike Vacanti: The right wing extremists are on Threads?

0:37:46.3 Jordan Syatt: No, it’s the left, the far left too.

0:37:48.3 Mike Vacanti: Oh, got it. Yes. Horseshoe Theory. I get it.

0:37:50.0 Jordan Syatt: X is far right and Threads is far left.

0:37:55.2 Mike Vacanti: Yes. But it’s framed differently from the left.

0:38:00.9 Jordan Syatt: They’re not using Jew as much. They’re using more Zionist.

0:38:02.6 Mike Vacanti: They use Zionist. There’s this… Gosh, I tell Jordan, “Yeah, I haven’t looked at any politics. I’m in the best place I’ve been in a long time. You see that Fuentes? ” Great. Here we are. Nazism versus communism, Threads versus X. “What do you think, Mike? ” Okay, good.

0:38:24.7 Jordan Syatt: I didn’t ask you…

0:38:26.0 Mike Vacanti: Ruin my day, buddy. It seems when I see… This is too big. We got 14 minutes here. Jordan’s trying to make me say something profound.

0:38:44.6 Jordan Syatt: Do you want to talk about how your Grok is skunked?

0:38:46.5 Mike Vacanti: No, I’m not going to do an immediate subject change on this. What am I? Made a bag of milk? Here’s something fascinating. Very late 2016, early 2017, before any of this stuff was on 99.9% of people’s radars, like legitimately. Woke hadn’t even really… Trump election was November of ’16, but wasn’t really on people’s radar like it was in COVID and like it was even in 28. Remember there was that Kavanaugh stuff where…

0:39:31.5 Jordan Syatt: Oh, yeah, yeah.

0:39:32.8 Mike Vacanti: Me Too was 2018. So all of that. So before all of the Twitter censorship stuff in ’18, ’19, ’20, Jordan Peterson was making a point to some moderate Democrats not to use in-group preferences, basically not to use identity politics for their benefit. And he said, because you’re going to wake up the right-wing identitarians and you don’t want to do that. And I remember being so confused. I was like, “What is he talking about? Right-wing identitarians? ” It was like the Nazis in the South. What percent of the population are they? The right-wing identitarians are not getting woken up by this. And that’s exactly what happened. That’s exactly what happened.

0:40:28.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I actually didn’t even put that together. That’s exactly what happened. That’s crazy.

0:40:36.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Ask some questions, Jordan. You led us here. Steer this thing. Steer us.

0:40:40.9 Jordan Syatt: Your Grok is skunked now, dude.

0:40:42.8 Mike Vacanti: No, you’re changing this… You’re subject changing.

0:40:44.9 Jordan Syatt: I was steering it really hard.

0:40:46.8 Mike Vacanti: Oh, sorry. I meant weave us through this minefield.

0:40:50.1 Jordan Syatt: This sea of icebergs. Get us out of here.

0:40:58.3 Mike Vacanti: Got a Bilzerian post here. Things are going to explode at any moment. Matt Walsh. Like get us through this.

0:41:05.6 Jordan Syatt: Oh, man. My brain is going places you don’t even want to know. You probably haven’t even seen. Dude, now there’s issues… There’s a big infighting within the Jewish community right now.

0:41:18.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, that hasn’t hit my feeds.

0:41:21.4 Jordan Syatt: Between the Ashkenazis and the Mizrahim.

0:41:25.5 Mike Vacanti: Who’s Mizrahim?

0:41:27.2 Jordan Syatt: The Middle Eastern.

0:41:28.8 Mike Vacanti: Sephardic?

0:41:30.4 Jordan Syatt: They’re different, but like… It’s like the Iraqi and Yemenite and the… It’s essentially between the White Jews versus the…

0:41:45.9 Mike Vacanti: Middle Eastern.

0:41:46.6 Jordan Syatt: Middle Eastern Jews. Yeah.

0:41:46.9 Mike Vacanti: By the way, my history’s not the greatest ever. I always found this fascinating because 2,000 years ago, everyone was in the Middle East. And then, what do you call it? Not evolutionary biology. Epigenetics are crazy because then you have the Jews who were in Eastern Europe for hundreds, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years, over 1,000 years. I don’t know when exactly.

0:42:24.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, over 1,000 years. Yeah, and some came back. But they started in Judea and then they got expelled. And some went to Iraq and some went to Afghanistan.

0:42:33.4 Mike Vacanti: Those are the Ashkenazi Jews?

0:42:34.5 Jordan Syatt: No, the ones that went to…

0:42:35.6 Mike Vacanti: No. Russia, Belarus, Poland. Yeah.

0:42:40.2 Jordan Syatt: Poland, Latvia. Yeah.

0:42:43.5 Mike Vacanti: See, now my brain’s just, I don’t know what’s appropriate and inappropriate.

0:42:51.4 Jordan Syatt: Say it. It’s our podcast.

0:42:53.8 Mike Vacanti: Well, what’s fascinating to me is coming from the same genetics, what many generations of different lifestyles, working in banking, working in finance, working in these different professions, and who knows what else, more persecution up there.

0:43:16.6 Jordan Syatt: Cultural influences. Yeah.

0:43:17.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. How that changes the genetic output 1,500 years later or 60 generations later. It’s cool.

0:43:30.5 Jordan Syatt: It’s wild.

0:43:31.8 Mike Vacanti: It’s interesting.

0:43:32.7 Jordan Syatt: The adaptive process is insane. It’s wild. Yeah.

0:43:38.3 Mike Vacanti: Anyway, sorry, I derailed that. There’s infighting between…

0:43:41.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, there’s just infighting.

0:43:42.3 Mike Vacanti: What’s the difference between Sephardic and the one you said?

0:43:44.6 Jordan Syatt: Sephardic, I believe, is from Spain.

0:43:48.0 Mike Vacanti: Oh, okay.

0:43:49.1 Jordan Syatt: So there’s a huge population of Spanish Jews.

0:43:52.4 Mike Vacanti: And what’s the name of the group you said?

0:43:56.8 Jordan Syatt: Mizrahim, the Middle Eastern Jews.

0:44:00.4 Mike Vacanti: I see.

0:44:02.6 Jordan Syatt: It’s actually really interesting and stupid. But it’s not even about race. It’s about… There’s one in particular. There’s this one guy who is a Mizrahi Jew who’s like…

0:44:21.8 Mike Vacanti: What’s his name?

0:44:22.5 Jordan Syatt: Essentially going on… I think it’s Niman or something like that, who’s been going off. And he’s been essentially going on all these right-wing Jake Shields podcasts and stuff and talking about how he’s… A lot of racist stuff. But then all these other Mizrahi Jews were like, “Dude, you’re an idiot. What are you talking about? You’re creating more division within the community.” It’s all nonsense.

0:44:47.0 Mike Vacanti: Is he trying to say that Jews are bad or is he saying Ashkenazi Jews are bad?

0:44:52.2 Jordan Syatt: He’s saying Ashkenazi Jews are bad.

0:44:53.9 Mike Vacanti: Okay. Got it.

0:44:54.9 Jordan Syatt: But then the other Mizrahi Jews are like, “Dude, what are you talking… ” He’s essentially saying like he’s being…

0:44:56.9 Mike Vacanti: He’s trying to get fame?

0:45:00.1 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:45:00.8 Mike Vacanti: Just say the most outrageous thing.

0:45:01.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, exactly.

0:45:04.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Steer us.

0:45:04.9 Jordan Syatt: That’s all I’ve got on that. I’ve been waiting to ask about your Grok, because your Grok is skunked.

0:45:09.7 Mike Vacanti: It unskunked itself. It only did it for one response.

0:45:13.3 Jordan Syatt: Again?

0:45:13.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Just stupid mistake…

0:45:14.6 Jordan Syatt: Oh, it made like one mistake on a math?

0:45:16.7 Mike Vacanti: Oh, yeah. It made the math mistake. And then it also changed its voice for one reply to the voice it has for you, where it’s very casual and weird.

0:45:26.5 Jordan Syatt: Did you tell it to stop using that voice?

0:45:28.3 Mike Vacanti: No.

0:45:29.1 Jordan Syatt: Oh, it just did it. Oh, interesting. But the math mistake was weird, because that should be a very simple answer. And then you asked it again, “Are you sure that’s correct? ” It was like, “Yes, I’m sure.”

0:45:39.2 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, Grok can’t add, period.

0:45:44.4 Jordan Syatt: It was 47 plus 52 plus this plus this plus this, and then it gave you a wrong answer.

0:45:48.9 Mike Vacanti: No, it didn’t give me… First of all, I’m not asking Grok math problems that are addition. So, it wasn’t my Grok that was skunked. I just saw a Grok that was skunked from math questions. I was like, that’s wrong.

0:46:05.8 Jordan Syatt: I’m not asking Grok.

0:46:07.0 Mike Vacanti: So, Grok said, “It’s right.” I was like, “I promise you that ain’t right.”

0:46:09.9 Jordan Syatt: Did you use your calculator for addition, or did you just do that in your head?

0:46:12.9 Mike Vacanti: I would do that in my head.

0:46:13.8 Jordan Syatt: Even that one that was asked? Because that was a bunch of different numbers. That was four or five different numbers, double digits.

0:46:20.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:46:21.2 Jordan Syatt: You do that in your head?

0:46:22.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:46:22.9 Jordan Syatt: That’s crazy to me.

0:46:24.0 Mike Vacanti: Well, there’s a few things. One, it’s not that important to get the exact final number in what was going on there. Meaning, I’m fine rounding to tens. 59 plus 62, it’s like 120. It’s 120-ish.

0:46:38.1 Jordan Syatt: It’s incredible.

0:46:39.4 Mike Vacanti: I know it’s 121, but just get me in the ballpark because of what I’m trying to accomplish. Man, I got the itch to play some chess.

0:46:46.9 Jordan Syatt: I had a great game this morning. It was a once-in-a-lifetime game that I need to go back and review.

0:46:52.5 Mike Vacanti: Really?

0:46:53.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, it was super good.

0:46:53.7 Mike Vacanti: You get one free review per day, right?

0:46:55.6 Jordan Syatt: I pay. So I can get as many.

0:46:57.8 Mike Vacanti: What? Oh, I forgot you pay.

0:47:00.0 Jordan Syatt: It’s like $10 a month.

0:47:01.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. And you’re running a CEO in New York City. You’re not.

0:47:04.5 Jordan Syatt: If I get to your level of chess, I won’t pay anymore. I won’t need it. You’ve got a 1,300 ELO.

0:47:10.6 Mike Vacanti: You just used the word ELO. You’re on a different level. You’re making real moves in your chess game. Jordan’s getting a lot better at chess. You’re going to beat me. It’s just a matter of time.

0:47:24.2 Jordan Syatt: One day, dad. One day.

0:47:25.6 Mike Vacanti: You had such a good position on me. I don’t think we talked about this. I think it actually happened.

0:47:29.3 Jordan Syatt: You just made a stupid mistake.

0:47:30.6 Mike Vacanti: No, I didn’t. Because even before my blunder, you had a really good position. I did the game review on that one because I get one free game review per day. And you were leading for the first 40% of the game. Even though we had equal material, you had a better position. And then I blundered a piece. And you were up. But then you blundered a piece. I was getting cocky. We were talking on the phone while playing. And then when I blundered my piece…

0:47:58.4 Jordan Syatt: Can we play after this?

0:48:00.9 Mike Vacanti: Absolutely. I can’t wait. And then after I blundered, Jordan’s like, the silence is deafening.

0:48:05.4 Jordan Syatt: We should play a game once and record it.

0:48:07.4 Mike Vacanti: Let’s do it.

0:48:08.5 Jordan Syatt: And we’ll put it at the end of the episode.

0:48:09.0 Mike Vacanti: Cool. I’m in.

0:48:11.4 Jordan Syatt: You have anything else on your list?

0:48:12.2 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, but we don’t even need to really talk about this. I just hate rewards programs. As a consumer, I hate things that are trying to manipulate me to spend more. And it’s like, “You’ve saved this much money.” It’s like, I don’t care about that. Show me how much I’ve spent. Or these, “Spend $400, unlock $20 credit.” It doesn’t work on me, but I just despise that tactic of, like…

0:48:41.0 Jordan Syatt: It works on most people.

0:48:42.3 Mike Vacanti: Manipulating people into spending more money, into taking their future freedom, and pinning them in positions in life that they don’t want to be.

0:48:50.0 Jordan Syatt: Is that the same thing for flight rewards?

0:48:52.3 Mike Vacanti: At least for me, no. I’m never like, “Oh, I’m getting sky miles for booking this. I’m basically making money on this $500 flight. Let’s book an extra flight.” Like, my brain will never do that. So, no, not really. It’s more when you log into the Target credit card website, for example. It’s in big, bold letters, “You’ve saved this much this year.” It’s like, that just means I’ve spent a lot more than that if I’ve saved that much.

0:49:25.5 Jordan Syatt: That doesn’t make you happy. That makes you like, “Damn, how much did we have to spend it? “

0:49:29.7 Mike Vacanti: Angry.

0:49:30.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:49:30.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. And it’s just…

0:49:31.7 Jordan Syatt: It’s a great tactic. It’s really smart.

0:49:34.7 Mike Vacanti: It’s very icky. It’s very ishy. It’s very, my sole goal is to squeeze the profits out of all of the peasants of the world to give our shareholders money and to inflate the salary of the CEO. I might be a Zohran guy.

0:49:50.3 Jordan Syatt: I was gonna say, dude, you are sounding super anti-capitalist right now. Where are you on the capitalist scale?

0:50:00.0 Mike Vacanti: Brother, he’s not even in office and he fixed New York City. I don’t even know if I’m… It feels very good to not be consuming politics and then just be able to joke around about stuff.

0:50:18.5 Jordan Syatt: People know you’re joking.

0:50:22.9 Mike Vacanti: Am I? All right. Fitness Business Mentorship is still on sale, $500 off. Apply now. Link in show notes. Www.fitnessbusinessmentorship.com Right there. Hit apply. Takes two minutes, three minutes.

0:50:40.3 Jordan Syatt: Is that it? Are we done for today?

0:50:41.6 Mike Vacanti: We’re done. I got a haircut scheduled.

0:50:43.4 Jordan Syatt: Oh, let’s go. We gotta play chess first.

0:50:45.8 Mike Vacanti: We might be sneaking it in while I’m… Oh, you have to do it right now? Okay.

0:50:49.3 Jordan Syatt: Right now, dude. Let’s do it right now.

0:50:50.8 Mike Vacanti: All right. Thank you very much for listening. We’ll be back next week. Have an awesome weekend.

0:50:56.8 Jordan Syatt: Help us out. Apply. See ya.

0:51:00.5 Mike Vacanti: Goodbye.