Episode 271: The 20 Healthiest Habits In The World (Part 2)

0:00:12.2 Mike Vacanti: Hello, Jordan.

0:00:12.9 Jordan Syatt: What’s up, Michael?

0:00:13.2 Mike Vacanti: What do you got for me?

0:00:14.2 Jordan Syatt: Yesterday I got pepper sprayed.

0:00:16.9 Mike Vacanti: No way. What?

0:00:19.6 Jordan Syatt: I got pepper sprayed, bro, in my fucking eyes.

0:00:23.6 Mike Vacanti: By who?

0:00:24.3 Jordan Syatt: By my security team. It was part of our training.

0:00:26.6 Mike Vacanti: Okay. All right, all right. Cool.

0:00:29.1 Jordan Syatt: You thought that…

0:00:30.9 Mike Vacanti: I was nervous. Oh, shit, there’s an attack. Yeah, yeah.

0:00:36.7 Jordan Syatt: No, dude. No, it was part of the security training.

0:00:38.9 Mike Vacanti: How did it feel?

0:00:39.9 Jordan Syatt: Bro, let me put it this way. So I’ve carried pepper spray for many years, on and off. And even now, when I go back to New York City, for example, they don’t have reciprocity with Texas, so I’ll carry pepper spray. And even though I’ve known it works, I’ve always been like, ah, it’s just pepper spray. Never again will I ever say, “Oh, it’s just pepper spray.” This was…

0:01:10.1 Mike Vacanti: It burns?

0:01:10.6 Jordan Syatt: Potentially. Dude, my eyes are gonna start watering as I talk about it. It’s not that it burns. There are parts that burn. It’s… Imagine 100 massive hornets simultaneously stinging your eye at the same… It was so… It didn’t burn. It was like a sharp… I can’t even describe it.

0:01:34.4 Mike Vacanti: Can you see well after you get pepper sprayed?

0:01:37.3 Jordan Syatt: Bro, no.

0:01:39.3 Mike Vacanti: Because you’re closing your eyes?

0:01:40.5 Jordan Syatt: Well, so I’ll tell you the story. So I’ll give a little bit of a… I’ll give a little bit of a just foreshadowing. So we’re doing this whole thing. There are eight of us there. Eight of us had went the week before. Then this was the second week of doing this, and we had a fitness test first. And then we start doing… We do a handcuff training. And then for this training, what you have to do is first you get pepper sprayed, then you have to run, like a shuttle run just, like, 20 yards or whatever. Then you have to fight someone, like, just holding a pad. You have to fucking hit a pad for, like, 40 seconds hard. Then you have to take them down and put handcuffs on them.

0:02:21.9 Mike Vacanti: Oh, you were pumped… You were pumped about that aspect of it.

0:02:25.3 Jordan Syatt: Well, I’d be pumped if I didn’t have to get pepper sprayed.

0:02:27.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, but relative to everyone else, I bet you dominated.

0:02:30.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. That was great. I was like, this is fantastic.

0:02:32.3 Mike Vacanti: Double leg takedown?

0:02:34.0 Jordan Syatt: No, no, standing kimura, take him down because the arm’s already behind the back. Just much easier.

0:02:40.2 Mike Vacanti: Oh, I see, I see, I see. I never got to standing kimura.

0:02:45.8 Jordan Syatt: You could learn it very quickly. So I’m gonna be the last one to go. I’m gonna be the last one to go. So I’m helping just, like, teaching how to do the kimura, making sure everyone’s doing everything properly. I’m watching these people get pepper sprayed. At one point, I must have gotten a little bit of the spray on my lip as I’m helping someone who had already been sprayed. And it’s burning, dude. My lip… Have you ever had a chili pepper or a jalapeno, something touches your lip and it burns a little bit?

0:03:13.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. I don’t like that feeling.

0:03:15.2 Jordan Syatt: Dude, it’s like that, but on steroids. It was insane. And I was like, oh, shit. This is not good. So then it’s my turn. I’m ready to go. And I’ve decided beforehand. I’ve made the conscious decision. I will be very stoic. I will not make any noises. I will not let anyone know I’m in pain. I will just do the whole thing.

0:03:39.1 Mike Vacanti: As a reaction to watching everyone else go?

0:03:40.1 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:03:41.2 Mike Vacanti: Okay.

0:03:42.2 Jordan Syatt: I’m just like, I don’t want my team to think I’m weak. I’m just like, I want everyone to be like, all right, this guy’s, like, very strong. He can take this. So I’ve decided in my head I’m going to be completely unbothered, or at least, like, visibly unbothered. So I get sprayed, and I close my eyes when I get sprayed. That’s what we’re supposed to do. And then I breathe out. You don’t want to breathe in and have all that stuff go in your lungs. It can be really dangerous. So I breathe out. I do the shuttle run, and I’m keeping my eyes closed. And when my eyes are closed, it’s burning. Like, it’s burning my skin, but it’s very tolerable. I’m like, oh, this isn’t bad. I’m fine. It’s definitely uncomfortable. It’s painful, but not a big deal. I can make it through. So I’m like 20 seconds into hitting the bag really hard, and I’m like, I’m just going to open my eyes because it’s not a problem. Oh, my goodness. Dude…

0:04:37.7 Mike Vacanti: That’s when it started hurting?

0:04:39.0 Jordan Syatt: Dude, when I just… Eventually would have seeped in. Your eyes aren’t airtight. Your eyelids… But it eventually would have, but I just let it go faster. You could probably see my eyes watering as I’m talking about it.

0:04:51.3 Mike Vacanti: Oh, wait. When you get sprayed, you’re getting sprayed with your eyes closed?

0:04:53.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:04:55.8 Mike Vacanti: Okay, okay, okay.

0:04:58.0 Jordan Syatt: So I barely…

0:05:00.3 Mike Vacanti: That’s why it didn’t hurt, because less had gotten in.

0:05:02.9 Jordan Syatt: Correct. I open my eye and it immediately feels like I get stung by a hundred hornets in my eyes. But I’ve decided I can’t show it, so I don’t say anything. But in my head I’m like, oh, fuck. It feels like my eyes have just contracted and are being stung continuously over and over and over again by hornets. So then I’m hitting the bag. After about 40 seconds of hitting the bag, I have to take the guy down, put the handcuffs on him, and I have to do that completely blind. I’m trying to open my eyes so I can get the handcuffs on, lock them, all this stuff. Finally do it. And then when you’re done, they bring you over and they had a medic on site and then he was washing your eyes out.

0:05:49.2 Jordan Syatt: But then you’re essentially getting waterboarded with a hose to wash it out of your eyes. And what I did not expect is as you’re getting sprayed in the face with this hose, the burning around… This light-sensitive skin around your eyes, it was like a searing hot pan just whoomp, just all over wherever glasses would be on your face. And that was potentially even worse than the actual eye.

0:06:17.8 Mike Vacanti: Really?

0:06:18.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah it was… I was like, I think there’s something wrong. I was imagining that my face was gonna be completely blown up. I was like, am I having an allergic reaction? It was absolutely insane. So now when I carry pepper spray, I’m like, no, this shit, this is no joke.

0:06:38.8 Mike Vacanti: It works.

0:06:39.1 Jordan Syatt: It works, dude. It absolutely works. It was insane.

0:06:44.7 Mike Vacanti: At what time, like how many hours after was the pain down to a reasonable level?

0:06:52.4 Jordan Syatt: Probably about 45 minutes.

0:06:54.5 Mike Vacanti: Gone completely after 45?

0:06:56.1 Jordan Syatt: No, not gone completely.

0:06:58.0 Mike Vacanti: Down to like 10 or 20%?

0:06:59.5 Jordan Syatt: Probably down to like 10%. But then, so we fortunately brought baby soap and we were washing ourselves off after we were done because a lot of times people just do it with water, then they’ll go home and shower and they won’t have gotten it all off. And then it will reactivate in the shower and it will drip down and get all over your bits and it’s not good. So fortunately that didn’t happen to me. One of the guys said it somehow got onto his legs and stuff, so he was burning all night.

0:07:33.6 Mike Vacanti: Oh, man.

0:07:35.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. It is no joke. Pepper spray is the real deal.

0:07:39.7 Mike Vacanti: Did everyone pass the training exercise?

0:07:42.5 Jordan Syatt: That one, yeah. There was one person who didn’t get all the push-ups that he needed to get, like the mile time, the push-ups, the sit-ups, everyone passed that part, yeah.

0:07:51.2 Mike Vacanti: That’s kind of awesome. Not fun while you’re going through it, but necessary and also kind of cool.

0:07:58.3 Jordan Syatt: It’s a cool story. It’s a cool story. I never want to do it again.

0:08:00.3 Mike Vacanti: I don’t want to do it, but it…

0:08:02.4 Jordan Syatt: No.

0:08:04.8 Mike Vacanti: Good, realistic, real-life scenario proper training is a good thing to prepare people for situations that you could be in, so. Yeah. Nice.

0:08:16.4 Jordan Syatt: Yep. That’s it, dude. So don’t feel bad if you carry pepper spray. I posted about it on my story and I got a lot of…

0:08:22.5 Mike Vacanti: You mean don’t think that it’s not gonna be effective?

0:08:26.6 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Carry it because it’s incredible. And I had a lot of law enforcement and military because they do that exercise too, and some of them have to do it once a year, which is crazy. And a lot of them were saying they’ve been both tased and pepper sprayed, and a lot of them were saying they would, 10 times out of 10, rather be tased than pepper sprayed.

0:08:48.2 Mike Vacanti: Wow.

0:08:49.1 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, yeah, just brutal.

0:08:50.7 Mike Vacanti: Well, good, bro. I’m glad you got through that.

0:08:52.6 Jordan Syatt: Thanks, dude. Thank you. What’s up with you?

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0:09:21.7 Jordan Syatt: Ever.

0:09:22.2 Mike Vacanti: Don’t say we didn’t warn you.

0:09:23.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yep.

0:09:25.1 Mike Vacanti: Man, now my story just pales in comparison. You really started us off on a real high note.

0:09:31.0 Jordan Syatt: It’s not a competition, brother. What’s your story?

0:09:33.4 Mike Vacanti: Don’t lie, Jordan, because I know you view everything as competition. So when you say it’s not a competition, I know you don’t mean that. I don’t actually have a story. I just have a funny moment that showed me that there’s definitely a part of my, I would say personality that is Larry David.

0:09:56.9 Jordan Syatt: Okay. Let’s hear it.

0:09:58.9 Mike Vacanti: All right. So I’m at LaGuardia. I get through TSA, and they have the bins that you put your stuff in, and people always leave their bins sitting out on the rollers. And I kind of like being the guy that just stacks them up and puts them at the end. It’s just, yeah, it’s just, it feels good. I’m healthy, able-bodied. I’m waiting on my bag to come. It’s just like, let me clean up this riff-raff that’s going on down here. But over the last 12 to 18 months, LaGuardia has all these big signs right behind like, if you’re looking at where your bag comes out, there’s like four of them right there. And they all say, “Do not touch the bins. The bins will go in…” Yep. They say, it says, “Do not touch the bins. The bins will go in automatically.” So I’m like, gosh, can’t be that guy. All right. Whatever. This cool technology is helping us all.

0:10:54.5 Mike Vacanti: And so there’s probably three bins lined up there because it takes a little while for them to get all the way down. And mine is the fourth to the last. And I take my stuff, my backpack and whatever, my phone out of the bin and kind of look at the sign, and I’m like, “Yep, all right, it’s automatic now.” And I grab my stuff, take a step back, and slowly walk away. And this dude kind of scoffs and cuts in front of me and angrily grabs the bins, including mine, and stacks them. One, two, three, four. And I’m standing there watching him, and I’m like, first of all, that’s what I do. So you don’t do that. I do that. Second of all, don’t scoff at me like I’m doing something wrong. What are you, illiterate? What’s wrong with you, buddy? Third of all, yeah, I just didn’t like the implication that I was doing something wrong and he’s this hero and he’s breaking the rules, because he’s not. He’s a rule breaker. He’s a bad dude. He’s a bad guy.

0:11:59.6 Jordan Syatt: Immoral, unethical.

0:12:01.0 Mike Vacanti: I’m like, what do I do? What do I do? Don’t say something. Just watch your gate. I’m already basically running late. Just go. You have all your stuff. Just go. Yeah. I walked, I tapped him on the shoulder.

0:12:11.1 Jordan Syatt: No way.

0:12:11.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. I’m like, “Hey, just so you know, you’re not supposed to touch the… The sign says you’re not supposed to touch those.” So here’s how I know I’m only partly Larry David, not full Larry David. The guy half looks back at me and then kind of looks at the sign and then pretends he doesn’t hear me. His girlfriend or whoever the girl he’s with looks at me and smiles and kind of nods her head, but he doesn’t acknowledge me. And I’m like, I’m gonna tap him on the shoulder again.

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0:12:45.2 Jordan Syatt: Make sure he knows.

0:12:47.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. I really wanted to, but I didn’t. And I just walked away at that point because I knew that he heard me and he understood. But, yeah.

0:12:57.1 Jordan Syatt: Dude, you’re 90% Larry David. That is…

0:13:00.5 Mike Vacanti: I’m not 90. I’m not 90, but I’m definitely somewhere between 20 and 35%.

0:13:05.0 Jordan Syatt: “Hey. Hey, buddy. You’re not supposed to touch the bins, just so you know.” I would have done it.

0:13:10.1 Mike Vacanti: If you want to do it, it is out of curved. It really is. But I’m like, don’t scoff at me. It’s this martyr mentality on a small scale of thinking you’re holier than thou when really you’re doing the wrong thing while simultaneously pretending you’re better than me. Don’t do that.

0:13:30.7 Jordan Syatt: If you’re gonna do it, do it because it’s the right thing to do.

0:13:34.5 Mike Vacanti: It’s not the right thing to do. It messes up the system.

0:13:37.2 Jordan Syatt: No, what I’m saying is, if you’re gonna do it, don’t do it out of anger and then to feel like you’re better than someone. When you did it, you did it because it made you feel good, and you weren’t gonna be mad at someone if they didn’t do it.

0:13:47.8 Mike Vacanti: Of course. I kind of wanted to help the TSA people. They get a bad rap. People are always, “TSA sucks.” All right. Let me just help out a little here. This guy is messing up their system, and I wasn’t gonna allow that on my watch. So I let him know.

0:14:01.5 Jordan Syatt: And he did it out of moral superiority, with the scoff, and you’re like, “Hey, buddy, you broke the rules.”

0:14:08.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Read the sign.

0:14:09.0 Jordan Syatt: “You’re making it harder for everybody.”

0:14:10.7 Mike Vacanti: Exactly. Exactly.

0:14:12.4 Jordan Syatt: And you wanted to make sure he knew that. Yeah.

0:14:14.9 Mike Vacanti: I had to make sure that he knew that.

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0:14:18.3 Jordan Syatt: “I’m about to be late, but you broke the rules, just so you know. You’re not this great guy, just so you know.”

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0:14:26.6 Jordan Syatt: “You’re not that guy, pal. You’re not that guy.”

0:14:29.4 Mike Vacanti: Exactly. Exactly.

0:14:30.9 Jordan Syatt: That’s a good story, dude.

0:14:32.1 Mike Vacanti: Good. I’m glad you liked it.

0:14:33.2 Jordan Syatt: I love that you tapped him on the shoulder. “Just in the future, don’t do that.”

0:14:40.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. I used to do… I didn’t say that. I was like, “I used to love doing that, I know, but you’re in the wrong.”

0:14:44.0 Jordan Syatt: This was my thing.

0:14:47.2 Mike Vacanti: You’re not supposed to take it from me. See, there’s four signs right in a row right there, so. Because it’s like the shopping cart. People who don’t put their shopping carts away and just leave them out, it’s like, what’s wrong with you? But if there were signs from the store that was like, “We have robots that come and put the shopping carts away. Please leave them exactly where you found them because that makes it better for us.”

0:15:08.6 Jordan Syatt: Perfect analogy. “We have automated carts that will find their way back. That’ll do…” Yeah. Just leave it right there.

0:15:16.5 Mike Vacanti: And when you bring them back on your own, it throws a wrench in the whole system. And sometimes the system breaks down because of it.

0:15:22.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:15:22.5 Mike Vacanti: And then you gotta shut down a TSA line. And then people miss their flights. It’s just a bad dude. Just a bad, bad dude.

0:15:28.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Okay.

0:15:30.8 Mike Vacanti: We are in part two of the top 20 things that you can do for your health. Numbers 11 through 20. We hit 1 through 10 in the last episode. We’re picking up here. Are you ready?

0:15:47.1 Jordan Syatt: Ready. Got my pen and paper.

0:15:48.8 Mike Vacanti: 11 is get regular checkups and screenings.

0:15:53.5 Jordan Syatt: Hmm.

0:15:55.0 Mike Vacanti: So basically, go to the doctor, early detection is good. Yeah. Ready?

0:16:01.8 Jordan Syatt: No, I’m not. I’m really struggling. I’m struggling big time on this one.

0:16:06.1 Mike Vacanti: Separate what you do from…

0:16:09.5 Jordan Syatt: No, because you already wrote yours down, so I can kind of leak my thoughts a little. I think that there’s a neuroticism in too many doctor visits that is bad for people’s health. And I’ve seen it. I’ve seen it. Because health isn’t just physiological. And in this materialistic society we live in, people forget that. People tend to forget that. I’m gonna go a little higher than I want to, ’cause I’m hedging on…

0:16:37.4 Mike Vacanti: I know what you’re gonna put.

0:16:38.5 Jordan Syatt: What am I gonna put?

0:16:39.3 Mike Vacanti: Well, write it and then I’ll say it.

0:16:40.8 Jordan Syatt: What did I put?

0:16:41.2 Mike Vacanti: You wrote A.

0:16:41.5 Jordan Syatt: Ha! You’re good, bro. You’re good, you’re good. Yeah.

0:16:45.8 Mike Vacanti: You wanted to give it B, but you’re like, I’ve gotta give it at least an A.

0:16:48.8 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:16:54.3 Mike Vacanti: I know you put S, which is ludicrous.

0:16:56.0 Jordan Syatt: S. Early detection, bro. Are you kidding me? Not ludicrous.

0:16:58.0 Mike Vacanti: It’s…

0:16:59.9 Jordan Syatt: It’s an S-tier.

0:17:01.9 Mike Vacanti: You lock in on one word that I say rather than evaluate the whole thing. Get regular checkups, screenings… This could be a whole episode, so I’m gonna be very brief. But I don’t believe that the medical system in America, the industry, I don’t think it’s in their best interest for people to have optimal health. And I’m not super trustworthy of a lot of doctors, unfortunately. And obviously, there are certain… What do you want to call them? Procedures, screenings, things that are a good idea. But A… Here, you know what? I’ll go this route. I’ll go this route just to make my point stronger.

0:17:55.7 Mike Vacanti: The system that we have is reactive to disease rather than preventative. And I know we’re talking about… You’re focused on the word preventative, but get regular checkups… We’re looking for stuff versus a lot of my S-tier is behaviors you can do to prevent those things from even happening. So whatever, maintaining a healthy weight, what else did we give S-tier? Moving your body regularly, not smoking. These things that we gave S-tier are things that prevent you from getting sick versus going and looking for illness, which is inherently slightly below preventing the illness from happening.

0:18:43.3 Jordan Syatt: So I do disagree. I’ll tell you why.

0:18:45.3 Mike Vacanti: Go ahead.

0:18:47.4 Jordan Syatt: I think… [laughter]

0:18:49.4 Mike Vacanti: Go ahead.

0:18:51.5 Jordan Syatt: I think that it says a lot that even with all that, you still put it at A, so it’s still really important.

0:18:55.9 Mike Vacanti: I didn’t. I put it at B because I was hedging.

0:18:57.5 Jordan Syatt: You put it at A.

0:18:58.5 Mike Vacanti: I wanted to put it at B.

0:18:59.7 Jordan Syatt: But you put it at A.

0:19:02.0 Mike Vacanti: Keep going.

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0:19:04.3 Jordan Syatt: So I think that, number one, I agree there are many issues with our medical system. Many issues with our medical system. And I talk about it all the time. And I think that a lot of our medical system is designed in a way that keeps people sick. I do agree. I need to separate the system from the doctors and the nurses and the people who are… The individuals within this system.

0:19:30.3 Mike Vacanti: Dale. All right, Mr. ESTP. We got nurses and doctors listening. All right, keep going.

0:19:36.6 Jordan Syatt: Well, I think… Listen. And I’ve had my fair share of issues with doctors who didn’t listen, who didn’t want to take the blood work I wanted them to take, who didn’t want to communicate with me, which is why I’ve gone more of the concierge route, which has been much better for me and for my family. With that being said, for example, the reactive as opposed to preventative. I agree with you, and I think that even with doing all the right things, there are many things that can and do happen even if you’re doing all the right things. There are people who are doing all the right things and they get cancer, and they wouldn’t have known if they didn’t get their blood work done. There are people who are doing all the right things and they have genetically high blood pressure, and they wouldn’t have known if they didn’t get it checked.

0:20:25.2 Jordan Syatt: And there are people who were doing all the right things and they died because they just assumed that everything was fine because they were doing all the right things and they didn’t know that they had high blood pressure. So I think that these are things that are actively preventative. They are things that can and do help you live longer. And I think that even though I’ve had and many people have had really horrible experiences with the medical system and with doctors, and our medical system is completely fucked, I do agree with that, I do think that there are also many doctors who… It is their sole purpose and passion to try and help people with this. And so…

0:21:03.2 Mike Vacanti: For sure. There are many of those, yeah.

0:21:05.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. So I think that getting regular blood work at least once a year, even if it’s not with a doctor, I’ll say, even if it’s not going… Even just getting regular blood work.

0:21:16.3 Mike Vacanti: Like you said, get your blood pressure checked. You can do that at Walgreens. You don’t have to go to a doctor to get your blood pressure checked.

0:21:22.3 Jordan Syatt: Correct. That’s what I mean. It’s like, when I’m saying screenings, it doesn’t necessarily mean you have to go to your PCP. But get your blood pressure checked, do the things that typically are done with your PCP. But also, we live in a world now where you can get your blood pressure checked. I mean, even now, I went to the pharmacy the other day to get my medication, and they were like, “Hey, just so you know, we will do a whole cholesterol panel for you.” And I was like, “That’s fucking awesome that you guys do that.” So for me, it’s more of the screenings as opposed to, “Hey, you need to go see the XYZ doctor.” I think there are a lot more issues with that that I very much agree with what you were saying.

0:22:08.3 Jordan Syatt: I just… Anything I can do to get people to regularly screen themselves, look at their vitals, look at their blood pressure, look at cholesterol, look at these numbers so that they can just be aware. Even if they are doing all the right things, there might be something going on that they may not be aware of. And I’ve also seen that sometimes people, they’ve never got any of these screenings done and they’re not doing the right things. And then once they see, like, “Oh, shit, my cholesterol is fucking 400” or whatever, they’re like, “I’ve got to get my shit together.” That is often a catalyst for them to start doing the right things.

0:22:39.1 Mike Vacanti: I don’t think 98% of our listeners are ready for my red pill on the medical industry, and I can’t sum it up in the amount of time we have in this podcast. So we’ll agree to disagree. I’ll give you a free roll, a “who lives longer” bet. And you can go to the doc, you can have the doctor come to your house once a month, and I will never see another doctor as long as I live. And we’ll do a “who lives longer” free roll.

0:23:04.5 Jordan Syatt: You versus me?

0:23:05.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:23:06.3 Jordan Syatt: I think you have better live-long genetics than I do.

0:23:06.7 Mike Vacanti: Oh, geez. Okay. All right. Genetics. “I can’t lose weight because of my genetics.”

0:23:16.1 Jordan Syatt: What’s the free roll? What do I get if I outlive you?

0:23:19.3 Mike Vacanti: Well, it’s a terrible bet because…

0:23:21.3 Jordan Syatt: It’s a horrible bet. It’s like…

0:23:22.8 Mike Vacanti: Worst bet ever. I tip over at 111, and you’re 107 and barely mobile, and you’re like, “Great, I got a million dollars. What am I gonna do with it?”

0:23:39.2 Jordan Syatt: It’s a horrible bet.

0:23:41.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Agree to disagree. There are just… There are so many important things that we should be doing that are more important than, for example, waiting in a dermatology office for an hour and 20 minutes in the waiting room only to be seen by a PA for 38 seconds who questions why you’re there, doesn’t really give you the full look. And look, if you got a giant spot on your skin and it’s growing and it has the weird shapes on the edge, definitely, definitely go get it checked out. But we don’t need to be going in for weekly full-body screenings, all this nonsense.

0:24:20.1 Jordan Syatt: This is the ultimate straw man.

0:24:21.5 Mike Vacanti: Live our lives. All right? Yeah. Agree to disagree. Protect… Oh, my gosh, these are all just… All right, whatever. I’m gonna lean in on: protect your skin and eyes from sun damage. You know what? No, that’s… [laughter] Ready? Go. Go. What are you laughing at? Hurry up. One, two, three.

0:24:59.9 Jordan Syatt: What’d you put? S?

0:25:00.6 Mike Vacanti: S.

0:25:01.4 Jordan Syatt: Oh, wow. I put A.

0:25:03.5 Mike Vacanti: Sun damage is really… So here’s the red pill here. Sun damage is really bad for us, right? You don’t want a sunburn. Sunburn is unhealthy. But back to the dermatologist and the one time I didn’t get a PA, but I got an actual… I actually… When Jordan many years ago told me to see a dermatologist, I took his advice. I thought he had some magic secret on this thing. And I sought out a specific doctor. I was looking at doctors all over the place based on where she went to undergrad and where she went to medical school. And I was like, “This person is gonna be smart. This is who I wanna see.” Basically told me no matter the time of year and no matter the temperature to never let any of my skin see the sun directly, to buy one of those hats that has the thing that goes all the way down, to wear gloves in the summer. Weird, kooky stuff.

0:26:00.2 Mike Vacanti: And yeah. The other side of it is sunburn is obviously bad for us. Sun exposure is good. There’s so many good things that come from the sun from a hormonal perspective, vitamin D obviously. But you don’t want to burn. And so I agree, and I’m pretty sure based on all available evidence that high frequency of damage to your skin from the sun over a lifetime increases risk of skin cancer, which is going to reduce mortality. So sun damage, bad. Sun exposure, good.

0:26:39.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I agree. And the reason I put A, not S, which listen, sun damage is really, really bad. But I also think that not enough sun exposure for the fear of sun damage is also really, really, really bad. And so it’s… In my opinion, it’s very easy to limit, reduce, eliminate sun damage. It’s very easy. But I think that so many people have gotten so scared of sun exposure at all that it actually is harming their health in other ways. And if you’re going outside and fucking petrified because God forbid you got a little sun on you, even though you’ve got sunscreen, you’re covered, you’re fine, even if you don’t have sunscreen and it’s a UV of like 2, 3, whatever, you’re okay, it’s okay. And so, yeah, be aware of it. But I don’t think that’s a… I wouldn’t have put that at S-tier. I think I agree with you on that one, even though you put S.

0:27:45.8 Mike Vacanti: Well, it doesn’t say anything… Yeah. I get what you’re saying. You’re saying for people who have so much fear of damage that it reduces their exposure.

0:27:54.6 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

0:27:55.8 Mike Vacanti: Yep. Some practical tips here. If you don’t have much of a base, don’t spend a lot of time unprotected outside at high noon where the UV can be 6, 7, 8, 9, 13, depending on where in the world you are. Build that base by going outside in the morning or in the later afternoon when the UV is lower. If you’re gonna do a beach day, have an umbrella, wear sunscreen. If you’re gonna be outside for a long period of time with direct sunlight, you don’t wanna burn. So do whatever it takes to avoid burning, but don’t be afraid of getting sun even without sunscreen in limited quantities.

0:28:38.4 Jordan Syatt: You know what you shouldn’t do is you shouldn’t go to fucking tanning beds. Don’t do tanning beds. I would bet that most people… Maybe I’m wrong, this is completely unfounded, but I would bet a huge percentage of the people who have sun damage, it’s actually tanning bed damage.

0:28:55.9 Mike Vacanti: Interesting.

0:28:56.8 Jordan Syatt: Or they were just out trying to get tan and not protecting themselves deliberately, and they were just going purely for aesthetics and not just outside normal amounts of time wearing sunscreen. I think a lot of the people who have the sun damage are people who were deliberately trying to tan their skin in unhealthy way.

0:29:19.2 Mike Vacanti: The good thing about that is I feel like that peaked in ’05, ’06, ’07. Yeah. Yeah. Whereas anyone I know who wants to get a tan for something? Not anyone I know. The people who I assume would have gone to tanning beds back in the day get spray tans now if they want to be tanned for something.

0:29:39.9 Jordan Syatt: There’s a peptide for that now.

0:29:41.4 Mike Vacanti: Melanotan.

0:29:43.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yeah.

0:29:44.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. There’s some dude thought he was getting BPC. He took a super high dose of it, and he… [laughter] He came back a black guy. Yeah.

0:29:54.5 Jordan Syatt: He’s so tan, bro.

0:29:55.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Incredible.

0:29:57.8 Jordan Syatt: He was like three, four, five days in, he was like, “Look at my skin.”

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0:30:04.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. I saw a great tweet that was like, “All these people want to be taking peptides, but they won’t give themselves a pep talk and change the tides of their lives.” [laughter] All right. 13. Practice good oral hygiene.

0:30:25.9 Jordan Syatt: Just went to the dentist the other day, which I’m now gonna start saying I’m going to see the hygienist. Because the dentist comes in for 30 seconds and is like, “Yeah, yeah, good.” He wasn’t even nice. Didn’t even say his name. Didn’t ask me my name. Just came in, fucking stuck his fingers in my mouth, dug around. The hygienist was wonderful. She’s great. She’s awesome. From now on, I’m gonna say I’m going to see the hygienist.

0:30:50.2 Mike Vacanti: I’ve never been in more agreement with you since the day I met you. I have the greatest hygienist of all time, and I’m gonna gatekeep her information very hard because…

0:31:03.1 Jordan Syatt: You don’t want her to get too busy.

0:31:04.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yeah.

0:31:05.8 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. That’s fair.

0:31:06.2 Mike Vacanti: The best. A good hygienist who isn’t super aggressive and making your gums bleed and who’s nice and friendly and she’s a great person. It’s just…

0:31:17.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, dude, they have a TV on the wall in front of me.

0:31:21.6 Mike Vacanti: Okay.

0:31:21.8 Jordan Syatt: She put a Harry Potter marathon on for me.

0:31:23.5 Mike Vacanti: Awesome.

0:31:25.3 Jordan Syatt: Like, are you kidding me? The best.

0:31:28.6 Mike Vacanti: She new?

0:31:29.4 Jordan Syatt: No, I’ve had her for like two years. She knows I love Harry Potter.

0:31:30.9 Mike Vacanti: Okay. Yeah.

0:31:32.5 Jordan Syatt: She’s great. But the dentist is a prick. Came in there…

0:31:37.9 Mike Vacanti: Not every dentist is a prick. But I agree with you.

0:31:40.5 Jordan Syatt: The dentist at the place that I go.

0:31:42.1 Mike Vacanti: The hygienist does 45 minutes of work and the dentist does 72 seconds.

0:31:47.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, but at least introduce yourself before you shove your fucking fingers in my mouth. And maybe give a little props to the hygienist. Be like, “Hey, yeah, good work.” Just came in.

0:31:58.0 Mike Vacanti: Are you ready? Are you ready?

0:32:00.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:32:03.8 Mike Vacanti: Did you do question mark?

0:32:05.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yeah. I did question mark. I have no idea… Look, I’ve been flossing every night of my life for 20 years.

0:32:12.7 Mike Vacanti: You’ve got the best oral hygiene of anybody I know. It’s incredible.

0:32:16.8 Jordan Syatt: I don’t know what the connection is between oral hygiene and longevity. I would imagine there’s a lot of what is causing what, meaning do people who floss and take care of their mouth also take care of the rest of themselves, therefore they live longer? I’m not really gonna believe a lot of the correlation data we have. I don’t know of any double-blind, 80-year, you never brush, you never floss group versus you take care of your mouth and let’s keep all our other habits the same and see who lives longer. I just don’t know about this one, but I’m a huge proponent of oral hygiene for the purpose of oral hygiene.

0:33:02.8 Mike Vacanti: I’m definitely not an expert. I have looked into it a little bit and I have a really good friend who’s a dentist. I have a neighbor who’s a dentist.

0:33:07.1 Jordan Syatt: My brother-in-law’s a dentist.

0:33:12.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. But the research that I’ve done on it, which is not extensive, but there are studies that, for example, the plaque buildup and the inflammation that you can get in your gums, for example, from not flossing and not taking care of your teeth can actually get into your bloodstream and negatively affect your heart, which I don’t know how that plays out long-term, but I would imagine that it’s definitely at the very least not good. And I’m gonna go to Dan John on this one where he was, I’ll never forget, I think it was in his book Never Let Go, which I read in high school, where he was basically like, if you can’t take two minutes to fucking floss, basically you’re a child. He’s like, you can’t take two minutes to floss. And it’s one of… People talk about making their bed every morning and how it sets the day. For me, it’s flossing. It’s like, just floss.

0:34:11.2 Jordan Syatt: Floss every day?

0:34:12.3 Mike Vacanti: Dude, every day, bro. Big floss guy.

0:34:15.6 Jordan Syatt: Nice. I didn’t know that.

0:34:20.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. I got this big long pick, go in and the right way to floss. Yeah. Like go…

0:34:24.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. You go in the crevice. You go one tooth up to the top of the tooth, past the gum line, you do the other side. Yeah.

0:34:31.7 Mike Vacanti: We just got a water flosser.

0:34:33.4 Jordan Syatt: I’ve played with those over the years.

0:34:35.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. I haven’t tried it yet.

0:34:36.3 Jordan Syatt: They’re a little bit of a mess.

0:34:37.8 Mike Vacanti: Are they?

0:34:38.4 Jordan Syatt: I’m gonna use it in the shower.

0:34:39.1 Mike Vacanti: Oh, that’s a good idea. It’s 20 bucks on Amazon.

0:34:41.4 Jordan Syatt: Oh, wow. Deflationary period with water flossers. Mine many years ago was much more expensive. So let’s say I agree with you that poor oral hygiene can lead to cardiovascular issues, which I don’t know if it’s true, but I’m open to it and let’s just say. I don’t know that flossing and brushing is the best way to good oral hygiene. It seems anecdotally, ’cause I’ve talked to dentists and I actually trust my anecdote more respectfully, total calorie intake and total sugar intake is more correlated with good oral hygiene than the habits that we’re sold on. The times when my teeth have been in not good shape are always after extended periods of bulking, even with the same…

0:35:42.7 Mike Vacanti: Oh, Interesting.

0:35:43.6 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. And if I’m cutting even for six to eight weeks, the inflammation in my gums, the amount of plaque I have, all of it is way down.

0:35:53.0 Mike Vacanti: That’s actually super interesting.

0:35:56.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. And there’s… I’ve heard dentists say that I have a little bit of recession on the gum on one of my bottom teeth from brushing too hard before I got an electric toothbrush. And multiple dentists have said it’s impossible to grow that back. The best thing you can do is prevent it from getting worse. However, through basically consuming less sugar for periods of time, less total calories, and then being gentle in the area, obviously, I’ve had two-plus millimeters of regrowth.

0:36:33.5 Mike Vacanti: No way.

0:36:34.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:36:34.8 Mike Vacanti: Really?

0:36:35.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yeah.

0:36:36.8 Mike Vacanti: That’s cool.

0:36:37.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I don’t know if it’s the mood I’m in or what. I’m somewhat skeptical of the whole system right now. And so I don’t know how much oral health plays into it, but I floss every day and I brush usually multiple times a day.

0:36:54.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. When do you floss? At night before bed?

0:36:58.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 14: Incorporate strength training and functional movement.

0:37:03.2 Mike Vacanti: Oh, wait, let me…

0:37:07.4 Jordan Syatt: Wow, you just added the plus, too. Yeah.

0:37:10.3 Mike Vacanti: Did you see me do that?

0:37:12.0 Jordan Syatt: I had an inkling that you did. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. S-plus.

0:37:18.2 Mike Vacanti: In your mind, S was the highest and then you…

0:37:19.8 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. And I was like, “Oh, wait, he went higher.”

0:37:23.6 Mike Vacanti: This is a truth so self-evident it need not be explained, especially to a podcast of personal trainers who are staking their career and livelihood on helping people achieve this.

0:37:34.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Good. I’m glad you put it above dermatology, which is a straw man. There are good scripts. I’m turning 40 next year.

0:37:47.1 Mike Vacanti: Well, if someone said to me…

0:37:48.1 Jordan Syatt: I’m supposed to get a colonoscopy or whatever I’m supposed to do at that age, like, yeah.

0:37:50.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. If someone said, “Hey, what’s more important? Should I go to the dermatologist once a year or should I strength train?” It’s like, obviously, well, if you can only choose one, strength train. Ideally do both. But…

0:38:06.2 Jordan Syatt: This is where our debate about grading on a curve comes in. Because in my mind, I’m grading these relative to each other in some sense, whereas you would give all S pluses if they were all S pluses.

0:38:16.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Correct.

0:38:17.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yeah. I just give the truth of the grade for each one.

0:38:22.2 Mike Vacanti: I’m gonna ignore that because it’s so patently false. I’ve never seen something so patently false. I was in such a good mood, and now I’m just thinking of all these MDs who are just shills. Like, some of the worst people I know who are MDs and just shill to make millions of dollars. Like, absolute… Like, reptilian shills. Yeah. Yeah. And a small number of the MDs who I know. I know incredible… Do I?

0:38:49.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:38:49.8 Mike Vacanti: I know some incredible doctors who are very, very good people as well. I just… They don’t live near me and they’re not my general practitioner, unfortunately for my health. 15: Spend time outdoors and in nature. Jordan put A, Mike put S. Oh, S plus? What?

0:39:11.8 Jordan Syatt: I gave it an S plus, bro.

0:39:13.6 Mike Vacanti: Wow. Jordan did not give an A. That was an inaccurate prediction. All right. Hit me with it, bro.

0:39:22.2 Jordan Syatt: It is…

0:39:23.0 Mike Vacanti: Has your perspective on this changed over the years? Did you always think this?

0:39:25.7 Jordan Syatt: I think I’ve always thought this.

0:39:27.7 Mike Vacanti: Okay.

0:39:28.3 Jordan Syatt: Dude, get… There’s… Listen, when you get outside and you’re in nature and you can relax and you can… Whether it’s by yourself or with your family, friends, community, whatever, getting outside, getting away… Dude, it’s fresh air, grass, leaves, trees, sun, a drizzle, whatever it is. Dude, the sound of…

0:40:00.1 Mike Vacanti: Ocean, sand, lake.

0:40:02.7 Jordan Syatt: I think it’s legitimately, like, S plus tier for overall health, for lifestyle, happiness, fulfillment, peace of mind. It’s just… It puts everything in perspective. Like, you could be having a great day and it makes it even better. You could be having a shit day and it makes it great. It’s just… It’s always, always, always a good idea. I don’t think anyone’s ever regretted spending time outside, just in nature, ever. It’s always good.

0:40:35.1 Mike Vacanti: This is one of the… Fully agree. I love your S plus rating. This is one of those points where I think if the way you’re thinking about this is you’re going to Reddit and you’re reading a debate between some neckbeard doctors about double-blind placebo-controlled trials, I think you’re thinking about this wrong. I think this is a truth that is self-evident and you can, based on your own personal lived experience, that being in nature for some period of time each day is better than being indoors 24/7, 365, fluorescent lights, less movement, blue light everywhere, not getting the full spectrum of light. I don’t think we need studies for this one is what I’m saying.

0:41:20.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I agree.

0:41:22.0 Mike Vacanti: 16: Cultivate optimism and positive thinking. Ready?

0:41:27.5 Jordan Syatt: Yep.

0:41:28.4 Mike Vacanti: One, two, three.

0:41:30.0 Jordan Syatt: S.

0:41:31.1 Mike Vacanti: S, S.

0:41:32.4 Jordan Syatt: Listen, I think anger can be used if you use it properly. I think a lot of people are angry and they don’t use it properly. But just staying in a pessimistic, negative place is… I think it’s horrible for your health. I think it’s horrible for your veins and your vascular system. I think it’s horrible for your mental and emotional health. I think it’s horrible for the way you interact with yourself and interact with others. I think it’s… Even if someone works out consistently, if they are just chronically pessimistic and negative, I don’t think they’re healthy and I really don’t think it bodes well for their life. So when you can look at things from a positive, optimistic perspective, it makes everything more enjoyable for you, for your community, for your family. It’s just… I think it’s S tier. It’s not even debatable.

0:42:27.0 Mike Vacanti: Fully agree. Fully agree. 17: Eat mindfully and stop at 80% full. Can we assume that… Because mindfully is subjective, right? It’s kind of like intuitive is subjective. My intuition might tell me to do one thing and someone else’s intuition might tell them to eat 8000 calories of Oreos. Should we assume mindfully means…

0:42:54.4 Jordan Syatt: I’m gonna tell you what my mindfully means.

0:42:55.7 Mike Vacanti: Okay.

0:42:56.9 Jordan Syatt: My mindful eating is being aware and grateful for where that food came from, for what it took to get on that plate in front of you, and that you have the blessing to eat this food and that not everyone has that blessing and opportunity. That’s how I view mindful eating.

0:43:19.1 Mike Vacanti: I like that definition. I’m gonna read you Google’s. “Mindful eating is the practice of using all physical and emotional senses to experience, savor, and enjoy food, fostering a deeper awareness of hunger, fullness, and emotional triggers without judgment.”

0:43:32.5 Jordan Syatt: That’s definitely from a book on people who struggle with overeating.

0:43:36.0 Mike Vacanti: One, two, three.

0:43:38.8 Jordan Syatt: Mike gave S-minus, I gave an S.

0:43:41.0 Mike Vacanti: Seems really good, especially Jordan’s. I like Jordan’s definition more than I like the Google’s definition. Why is it a minus and not a regular S?

0:43:56.0 Jordan Syatt: I would say that there are certain times where it is better for you physically, mentally, emotionally to go past 80% full.

0:44:03.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:44:10.2 Jordan Syatt: Thanksgiving with your grandma’s pie when she only has so many more years to be making pie. There are just times where… And then that can coincide with actual physical upside too. A refeed if you’re in a deficit, a higher calorie day if you have high-mid-low or high and low calorie days. Yeah.

0:44:36.6 Mike Vacanti: Really good, but.

0:44:38.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, yeah. Agreed.

0:44:40.1 Mike Vacanti: Limit sedentary time. Break up sitting with movement every hour. Stand, walk, or stretch. Prolonged sitting is an independent risk factor even if you exercise.

0:44:52.9 Jordan Syatt: One, two, three.

0:44:54.7 Mike Vacanti: S-plus-plus… All right. Now you’re getting a little out there with your… All right. I put S. Jordan put an S with two pluses.

0:45:04.6 Jordan Syatt: People need to move more, bro. People need to move more. They need to move more, they need to sit less, they need to fucking move.

0:45:13.3 Mike Vacanti: Agreed.

0:45:13.7 Jordan Syatt: They’re happier when they move, they’re healthier when they move. We’re not supposed to sit this long. Even now, we’ve only been sitting for about less than an hour…

0:45:21.2 Mike Vacanti: I want to move.

0:45:21.7 Jordan Syatt: Too long.

0:45:23.0 Mike Vacanti: For years we’ve talked about how can we do a walking outdoor podcast and still have good audio quality.

0:45:24.1 Jordan Syatt: One day.

0:45:26.8 Mike Vacanti: One day.

0:45:29.5 Jordan Syatt: One day. Yeah. Just need to move all day. All day you should be moving. And moving could be rolling on the ground. It could be just literally rolling around, could be stretching…

0:45:39.6 Mike Vacanti: Could be laying and stretching out.

0:45:41.7 Jordan Syatt: Yep, yep. Just sitting down in a chair, hips flexed, knees flexed, shoulders rounded forward, not good. Not good. And then just looking at a fucking screen, not… No. Move. Get up, move. Bend, twist, walk, run, jog, roll, climb a fucking tree, whatever. It’s move.

0:46:06.8 Mike Vacanti: I’m fully on board with this. I would even say one point that it’s missing here is related to pain and how your body feel… I believe, and there’s some evidence to support, that being too sedentary and specifically holding not necessarily bad postures, but holding the same posture for extended periods of time leads to increased pain compared to someone who is moving more frequently.

0:46:37.9 Jordan Syatt: Absolutely. Absolutely.

0:46:40.9 Mike Vacanti: The counter to this and the part of me that considered S-minus is the population who’s neurotic about exercise as it relates to calorie expenditure and the necessity of relaxation, especially for strength and muscle gain, the polarity of stimulate and then rest. But that doesn’t mean sit in a chair for hours on end. It means go get in a comfortable position and relax from time to time if you are a high-level athlete, if you are having very hard workouts. It’s a minority of the population, right? Single digit, maybe even 1 to 2%, maybe less than that actually, that need to go the other way on this one. But yeah.

0:47:34.7 Jordan Syatt: Even for them, I would just say it’s more about changing their mindset around movement. They only move to burn calories. For them, I’d rather they move in a way that is fun than just walking or running for the sake of burning more calories. Why don’t you go do something, go rock climbing or go on a hike in nature or go do a jujitsu class or some… Go do something that is fun and move in a way you don’t regularly move. If the only reason you’re moving is because you want to burn calories, that’s a mental issue.

0:48:10.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. And the literature on training interference, especially in recent years, has swung more towards the hike you’re going on isn’t actually impairing strength and muscle gains from your training, there is a level of activity, even if you’re doing it for the right reasons, that will impair progress on another dimension, which then you’re like, okay, who cares about optimizing the last 1 to 5% of strength and muscle gain? Well, if you’re trying to step on stage at the Olympia, then you are. So, yeah, 99.9% of the population, this is really, really good advice.

0:48:32.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Agreed.

0:48:54.2 Mike Vacanti: 19. Prioritize mental health. One, two, three.

0:49:06.7 Jordan Syatt: Wow. Mike put a B, I put an S. Let’s hear it.

0:49:13.7 Mike Vacanti: Mental health is obviously unbelievably important and having good mental health is correlated with longevity, quality and quantity of life. So you want to have good mental health. The people who are hyper-focused on improving their mental health often are doing it the wrong way. And this has… The pendulum swung back a little bit on this, but there were definitely some years in there, I don’t know, 2022, 2023 maybe, where the debate between physical versus mental health was like, “You gotta get your mental health right, you gotta get your mental health right.” Whereas I think getting your physical health right, and by right, I don’t mean having an exercise addiction or being obsessive, whatever, but getting your physical health right, getting your body moving, cardio, strength training, activity in general, has a ton of mental health benefits downstream.

0:50:23.9 Mike Vacanti: It’s easier to work yourself into a good mood than it is to think yourself into a good mood or sit down with somebody who has a bunch of letters behind their name and talk about every bad thing that ever happened to you in your life and do that five days a week and expect that somehow your mental health is gonna improve. Like, what are we doing here? Comma, comma, comma. There are people who have severe mental health issues and whether that’s whatever you need to do to fix that, therapy, medication, et cetera, do that. But when I see 40% of the population thinking that there’s only one way to solve their mental health issue while simultaneously not being outside, not getting sun, not eating nutritious, not exercising at all, spending all their time online, not being involved in community, not spending time with friends, scrolling, drugs, alcohol, porn addiction, obsession, like doing all these bad things and thinking that sitting in a chair and talking about it’s gonna help, it’s like, no, I disagree.

0:51:28.5 Jordan Syatt: I agree. I think that the issue that you’re highlighting is that a lot of people assume there’s only one way to improve your mental health, which is it’s just therapy, for example.

0:51:38.7 Mike Vacanti: Talk therapy, yeah.

0:51:39.6 Jordan Syatt: And that is one great way that can. But even the research among psychologists, which they share all the time, is that when they compare, for example, SSRIs versus exercise, mental health will improve more from exercise with a majority of people. Now, in some people, both is better than either alone, which is great. If you need to use both, use both. But oftentimes, just moving more and exercising more has a better impact than someone who just takes an SSRI and doesn’t change anything for their physical health. And I think for a lot of people, getting outside in nature, exercising more frequently, moving more frequently, doing all the things that we’ve spoken about thus far in this list will have dramatic improvements on their mental health. And if they also want to do talk therapy, great. If they also have to take medication, great. But talk therapy and medication aren’t magic pills and they’re not the only things you should be doing and they’re not the only ways to improve mental health.

0:52:40.8 Mike Vacanti: We’re slammed for time. 20. Consistent and patient. Stay consistent and patient with habits. One, two, three. S, baby.

0:52:52.3 Jordan Syatt: S.

0:52:53.2 Mike Vacanti: Consistency over perfection.

0:52:53.7 Jordan Syatt: I’m almost given an A as well. Yeah. The thing that I was thinking, I was just like, yes, it’s really important. I don’t think I can give it lower than an S because obviously. For me, I just want you to try and have fun with whatever you’re doing, which will help you be more consistent and patient. I think a lot of people are like, “All right, how do I be more consistent and patient? I just have to be more consistent and patient.” Well, it’s much easier to do that if you just have fun with it. If you find fun and enjoyment in what you’re doing, it’s gonna be much easier to stay consistent and patient rather than just constantly telling yourself to be consistent and patient.

0:53:25.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:53:25.7 Jordan Syatt: Find some… It’s sort of like if you start dating someone and you’re like, “All right, well, the goal is to get married.” It’s like, yeah, it’s much easier to get married and have a good marriage if you really love and enjoy the person that you’re with. But if you’re just trying to force the marriage and force it with someone that you don’t actually love, someone that doesn’t vibe well with you, the goal shouldn’t be marriage. The goal should be to find someone that you really love and enjoy. It becomes much easier when you do that. So that’s… I think a lot of people, they’re focused on the end goal without actually thinking, “Well, what’s the best way to achieve that consistency and patience?” It’s find something you enjoy.

0:53:59.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, yeah, I agree. We don’t have enough time for me to counter, but that’s okay. I’m going to. The other side is… Because that was… We heard people give that advice a lot, which is find something you enjoy in the realm of exercise. And that’s great, but if you want to build strength and muscle, like going to a class where you have drumsticks and you’re drumming on things isn’t gonna build strength and muscle. So you can like that class as much as you want and do some of that class, but then you also need to do some weightlifting or some form of strength training if you want to get stronger. So there’s a balance. But I agree, you can’t do something you hate and then white-knuckle it for your whole life. You gotta find some enjoyment in it.

0:54:55.1 Mike Vacanti: And with that, we are signing off. Apply now for the fitness business mentorship if you’re interested in joining. Price is going up incredibly soon. Don’t miss out. If you apply and you’re too late, we’re not gonna hold the spot for you. So get in there.

0:55:02.7 Jordan Syatt: See you.