Episode 183: They Shot Trump…

0:00:11.8 Mike Vacanti: Hello, Jordan.

0:00:12.5 Jordan Syatt: Bro, they tried to assassinate Trump.

0:00:14.3 Mike Vacanti: They tried to assassinate President Trump.

0:00:17.4 Jordan Syatt: I mean, we got to start with that. This is, I feel like things have been so crazy over the last like four years that people are almost desensitized to this. Where it’s like people, it’s like not as big of a deal as it should be. This is absolutely insane. And I feel like people are just going about like as though it’s not a big deal.

0:00:41.9 Mike Vacanti: People are just going about their lives as if it’s not a big deal. And we’ve talked about this off pod, obviously. I wanna give context. ‘Cause part of the reason we never talk current events is the delay between recording and uploading. So Tuesday, July 16th just happened three days ago. Who knows what is gonna happen in the next week or so until this gets uploaded. Completely insane. I have woken up every day since still shocked. One inch from being very, very bad.

0:01:17.7 Jordan Syatt: A completely different world.

0:01:19.0 Mike Vacanti: A completely different world in ways that I don’t think that I can even imagine.

0:01:24.2 Jordan Syatt: Man.

0:01:26.4 Mike Vacanti: By the way, I had a feeling that you would want to talk about this, so I wrote down a bunch of takes.

0:01:30.3 Jordan Syatt: Oh I love that. Do you want to start with one of the takes that you wrote down? What are you thinking?

0:01:35.2 Mike Vacanti: All right, we’re going to start more on the more acceptable and reasonable side, and we can gradually work our way up…

[chuckle]

0:01:46.3 Mike Vacanti: To wherever we want to take this.

0:01:48.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:01:53.5 Mike Vacanti: My first takeaway or gut feeling, was how close we were to having something absolutely catastrophic. My second…

0:02:02.5 Jordan Syatt: You mean like civil war type thing?

0:02:06.0 Mike Vacanti: Throw around civil war. I don’t think that groups in America can properly organize right now for an actual, but just way more chaos, violence on like a micro level. And when I say I don’t think I can predict what that would look like, I really don’t have any idea.

0:02:26.3 Mike Vacanti: I’m so grateful that the bullet missed by less than an inch. Because I think I texted you after you sent me a video, fear level’s 99. We joke around on this podcast about your and my fear levels and mine are generally very low. It rattled me.

0:02:44.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:02:47.3 Mike Vacanti: My second immediate takeaway is that it’s very, very sad the guy who died there protecting his family.

0:02:54.8 Jordan Syatt: Yes. Correct.

0:02:57.4 Mike Vacanti: Dove over his wife and daughter. Complete innocent dude who died as a result of this evil.

0:03:06.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:03:09.6 Mike Vacanti: I’ll just continue to go down the list until you want to end. I mean, do you have any takeaways? [chuckle]

0:03:15.8 Jordan Syatt: I mean, I think the… I’m just shocked at what I’m seeing online, right? I’m seeing a bunch of different reactions. Some people are saying… Some people are saying they’re upset that they missed, which is just the craziest thing in the world to me.

0:03:38.3 Jordan Syatt: This is, by the way, I’ve said this for years, I’ve been very outspoken about this. I’ve always hated when people have compared Trump to Hitler. I’ve hated it. For so many reasons. And it wasn’t for this reason. I hated it because it’s a spit in the face of all of those who were systematically murdered by Hitler.

0:04:00.0 Jordan Syatt: Hitler, the evil that he perpetrated is beyond anything that you can ever imagine. And if you haven’t studied Hitler, you haven’t read books on Hitler, and you don’t understand the true evil that this man embodied and the system that he created.

0:04:19.8 Jordan Syatt: To just nonchalantly compare Hitler to Trump is a spit in the face of all those innocents who were ruthlessly murdered by him. Millions and millions and millions of people.

0:04:35.7 Jordan Syatt: But now another reason comes to light as to why you can’t do that. Because, well if someone, if someone is saying, “Well, they are Hitler,” and over and over and over again, “Oh, he’s Hitler, he’s Hitler, he’s Hitler,” someone, a young, impressionable person, can take that to mean, “Oh, so if that’s Hitler, if that person is as bad as Hitler, if that person is a true threat to democracy, then someone needs to stop him. And no one’s stopping him so I will.” That’s what happens.

0:05:10.3 Jordan Syatt: And it’s funny because… It’s not funny. It’s interesting to see a lot of the people who’ve been making those comparisons walking it back, a lot of the news stations, a lot of the actors, a lot of the people in the world who have made these comparisons to him being a fascist Hitler, are now saying, “Yeah, maybe we need to tone it down. Maybe like that wasn’t the right thing to say.”

0:05:31.2 Jordan Syatt: Which, respect for walking it back, but the damage is done. You’ve influenced enough people to actually believe that. And I’m sure there will be people listening who are upset being like, “He is like Hitler.” No, he’s not. Not even in the same ballpark. Not even in the same nation. Nowhere close at all. And to think that is so wrong, it’s, I can’t even put it into words.

0:05:58.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, that could be a whole entire separate episode. Distinguishing… I think we have to move forward on the premise that Donald Trump and Adolf Hitler are nowhere near the same.

[chuckle]

0:06:15.3 Mike Vacanti: I think just for the sake of conversation, we have to…

0:06:16.9 Jordan Syatt: Of course.

0:06:19.7 Mike Vacanti: We have to assume that everyone listening understands that. And anyone who doesn’t, that could even be a separate conversation. Because you’re right. Since 2016, potentially 2015?

0:06:30.4 Jordan Syatt: 2015, yeah. When he became a serious contender.

0:06:34.9 Mike Vacanti: Literal fascist, literally Hitler. And then in the 2018, 2019, 2020, threat to democracy, he will be the last president, he wants to be king. All of these ideas and comparisons that have been spouted from a lot of people in the mainstream, like on basically all mainstream news networks, these ideas have been floated around over the last eight or nine years. Many prominent individuals in politics have ran with these comparisons and these lines.

0:07:12.9 Mike Vacanti: And you make a great point, when you do that, someone is… There is accountability on the individual, right? You can’t blame… The majority of the blame goes on the person who pulled the trigger, not on the rhetoric.

0:07:28.7 Jordan Syatt: Correct. Of course.

0:07:31.7 Mike Vacanti: But if Trump literally is Hitler, then why are, like why are people wishing him a speedy recovery?

0:07:41.0 Jordan Syatt: Correct. Exactly. No one would wish Hitler a speedy recovery when he was like, attempted assassinations at the Wolf’s Lair. [chuckle]

0:07:48.4 Mike Vacanti: Or even, it’s like a thought exercise in morality. If you could go back in time and there was baby Hitler, would you kill baby Hitler? And the majority of people, understanding what he did throughout his life, say that you have a moral obligation to kill baby Hitler. If Trump is literally Hitler, why all of the get well soon, like sentiments?

0:08:13.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, correct. It’s completely… Actually, it’s even interesting. I don’t know if you saw Jack Black was doing a concert. He was doing a tour with his co whatever in their band, Kyle Gass. And on stage, I think not last night, the night before, one of them, Jack Black was like, it was Kyle’s birthday or something, he’s like, “What’s your birthday wish?” And Kyle was like, “Next time don’t miss Trump.”

0:08:41.0 Jordan Syatt: And now I think Jack Black, he just canceled the tour after that. He was like, that was… And Jack is a very openly anti Trump guy. He does not like Trump. He’s been very clear about that. But he’s, immediately after he’s like, “All right. Like, that was not okay. You don’t wish death on that person.” And if it was Hitler, then that’d be okay to wish death on.

[chuckle]

0:09:04.3 Mike Vacanti: Dude, that’s actually one of the things that I’ve been happy to see, are, call it leaders who oppose Trump or call it popular politicians and just popular people in the Democratic party, AOC, Obama, like people with really big profiles immediately coming out and like…

0:09:30.2 Jordan Syatt: Same with Biden. Same with Biden. Yeah, they did a great job very quickly being like, this is not okay.

0:09:34.4 Mike Vacanti: Speaking out against political violence, which seems obvious, but I’m at the very least happy to see that. But yeah, I’m with you in that I was surprised by the amount of, “I wish it would have, like I wish he didn’t miss.” And not only online, but like from all various places. I was surprised to hear that. I was surprised with the immediate, maybe I wasn’t surprised, but just a lot of, “It was staged. It was staged.”

0:10:05.7 Jordan Syatt: I was surprised at that. I was very surprised at how much of that that I’ve seen.

0:10:10.5 Mike Vacanti: I wasn’t, only because everyone is so skeptical of everything. But with 2 seconds of critical thinking, to think that someone would put their life at risk, assuming a sniper could hit their ear so that they achieved this higher level of prominence, is a wild level of ignorance.

0:10:36.3 Mike Vacanti: And then the third group is, like you mentioned out the gate, is people who just kind of continue to go about their day.

[laughter]

0:10:44.6 Jordan Syatt: Which, I get it.

0:10:47.4 Mike Vacanti: I don’t. I don’t.

0:10:50.0 Jordan Syatt: There’s only so much you can control, so it’s like just…

0:10:50.0 Mike Vacanti: But it’s just an attempt on a president or former president’s life. And not just former president, but the, by the polls, the front runner for the next presidency in less than four months. Wild. It hasn’t happened in our lifetime.

0:11:09.4 Mike Vacanti: And so, for people… And maybe people were invested, but just not speaking publicly about it. And when I say publicly, I mean even on group chats with friends, you know, maybe people are having those conversations more privately. But the level of, the seeming level of disinterest was wild to me.

0:11:25.7 Jordan Syatt: Dude, going to the staged part, ’cause I think that’s really important. And anyone who’s shot a gun will, will immediately know this was not staged. If you’ve never shot a gun, first and foremost, just look at Trump’s head as he’s talking. He’s constantly moving his head.

0:11:49.4 Mike Vacanti: Moving around.

0:11:51.5 Jordan Syatt: This is not a still target. He’s not just standing there stock still. If he was, if this was staged, Trump would be standing there, head complete… I don’t care if it’s a super trained sniper or not. If you think someone’s going to shoot a gun from 125, 150 yards away and have a.556 bullet whiz by your… He’s standing stock still if this was staged.

0:12:15.9 Jordan Syatt: And he was not, he was moving back and forth. His head was going all over the place. Which, by the way, why he was saved. Because at the last millisecond, he tilted his head to look at the screen with all the information and it whizzed right by his ear. And there’s diagrams of this. Like you get… The last millisecond, he moved his head. Boom. And it hit his ear. If he didn’t move his head, it would have went right through his brain.

0:12:35.5 Mike Vacanti: And when you say millisecond, 0.03 to 0.5 seconds.

0:12:39.7 Jordan Syatt: Yes. Insane. Insane. Now, what’s… There’s so much that’s crazy about this, but now we’re going to get into some of the crazy stuff people might get upset about. But to execute this shot, let’s not even talk about getting up on top of this building, which by the way was being used as a staging area for local law enforcement, and walking around with a rifle in his hand and a ladder, climbing up in broad daylight, Secret Service having spotted him 30 minutes prior to the shoot.

0:13:18.4 Jordan Syatt: Never mind any of that. Never mind any of that. Let’s just talk about the shot. Just the shot. A lot of people here, 100, 125, 150 yards, whatever it is, that is what this style of gun is made for. AR-15’s, they’re made for this length of shot. So that’s fine.

0:13:37.7 Jordan Syatt: Let’s just talk about the pressure that you’ve got. Number one, we’ve, I’m assuming everyone has heard there were at least one, if not two, police officers that confronted the kid before he shot. Popped his head up and then very quickly he fired the shot off. So he had to do it relatively rushed and it was going literally straight for his head.

0:13:57.6 Jordan Syatt: He knows that he’s about to shoot and potentially kill a former president of the United States. He knows he’s about to die for what he’s going to do. The nerves that must have been going through this kid, I can’t even imagine the fear. And to get a shot off at 125 yards, that accurate in that… Not to mention, if you watch the videos, there are people screaming and pointing, “He’s there, he’s there! He’s up on the roof,” before he shoots.

0:14:32.5 Jordan Syatt: He has all of this noise, he has all this distraction, all of this fear. If you slightly pull the trigger a little too hard, a little too hard, that the recoil completely makes the bullet go in a different direction. Just a slight amount of too much force pulled on that trigger makes it a not accurate shot.

0:14:51.8 Jordan Syatt: It was a very accurate shot that just missed because of Trump’s head movement. I mean, that’s wild to think about how good of a shot and how calm this kid is in this absolutely insane situation. Never mind actually getting in that position to begin with and no one actually coming up and stopping him.

0:15:10.6 Mike Vacanti: Yep. Not staged. Not staged.

0:15:14.7 Jordan Syatt: Definitely not staged. [chuckle]

0:15:16.2 Mike Vacanti: The intent was to kill Donald Trump.

0:15:17.0 Jordan Syatt: Yes. And he was millimeters away.

0:15:19.3 Mike Vacanti: Well, we can continue to go into more of what you alluded to in terms of potential inside job. At the very least, insane levels of incompetence. And I think probably by now, I would call that still unlikely. Like at the very least, that’s what happened. Still probably unlikely. One quick note. Trump’s reaction was out of the world.

0:15:49.6 Jordan Syatt: Unbelievable.

0:15:50.5 Mike Vacanti: I try to put myself in that situation and I would have been so… Bullet, you hear it whiz by, you feel it, like you literally know you are within an inch of your death. You hit the ground. I’m crawling off, like I’m, “Get me out of there.” He stops the secret service to fist pump and say, “Fight.”

0:16:12.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:16:13.2 Mike Vacanti: That was wild levels of awareness, courage. Yeah, just badass.

0:16:23.0 Jordan Syatt: It was insane. And I mean, for whatever it’s worth, a lot of people like, “Well, clearly it was staged because he was doing that.” It’s like, that’s not the case. I mean, again, we could even think about Ronald Reagan, the video of him. Remember when he was shot. And there was another moment where, and this video has gone viral, I’m sure you’ve seen it numerous times. There was a time when he’s giving a speech.

0:16:47.4 Jordan Syatt: After he was shot, there’s a later speech, there was a huge balloon pop and many people thought that it was a gunshot. And Ronald Reagan stands there, doesn’t move, doesn’t flinch. He just says, “Missed me.”

[chuckle]

0:17:00.0 Jordan Syatt: That’s all he says. And it was within milliseconds. Some people are just different. Some people are just built different.

0:17:06.4 Mike Vacanti: Some people build their selves differently. I don’t even want like…

0:17:10.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:17:13.4 Mike Vacanti: Because I do think at the end of the day, courage is an option. Right? I don’t think I would have crawled off stage because I have a genetic deficiency. I think because… Do you get what I’m saying?

0:17:23.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, I understand. I would imagine the amount that he’s been through with like, I don’t know how many assassination attempts there have been. I’m assuming this isn’t the first. I’m assuming he’s known his life is on the line.

0:17:35.1 Jordan Syatt: The amount of resiliency and courage that builds through the process of years of… I guarantee there are things that we don’t know about that he’s… There have been attempted assassinations before. He hears about all the time, death threats, all this stuff.

0:17:48.4 Mike Vacanti: You don’t think Trump would have told us? [chuckle]

0:17:50.8 Jordan Syatt: I mean, I’m sure… Who knows? I’m sure maybe out there he’s spoken about it, but I think this is clearly, obviously the closest anyone has ever gotten without. Without question. But he’s not an idiot. He knows his life is in danger every day. You know what I mean?

0:18:06.0 Mike Vacanti: To have the take that, “Oh, he reacted in such a unbelievably courageous way. It had to be staged,” says more about the person leaving that comment than it does about anyone else.

0:18:18.5 Jordan Syatt: Correct. A hundred percent. Completely agree.

0:18:20.3 Mike Vacanti: A lack of understanding of what kind of courage is possible in a human being.

0:18:25.6 Jordan Syatt: Absolutely insane. I don’t know what the world would look like if… If he had… If the shooter was successful. I feel terrible for the shooter’s parents, you know?

0:18:39.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, yeah.

0:18:40.9 Jordan Syatt: The father apparently was asked to comment, and his one comment was like, “I’m not saying anything until I know what the fuck is going on.” They lost their son.

0:18:48.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:18:48.9 Jordan Syatt: You know, there.

0:18:50.9 Mike Vacanti: Yep, yep.

0:18:52.7 Jordan Syatt: And obviously, the innocent man who was killed, I think there are a couple others who were critically wounded. It’s a terrible, terrible situation. The people who say it’s staged really fucking piss me off. It’s really, it’s just infuriating at this… Yeah, it’s infuriating.

0:19:13.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:19:13.4 Jordan Syatt: There are people, “It was a ketchup packet,” or it was like glass. Get the fuck out of here. And those are so blindsided.

0:19:21.9 Mike Vacanti: Those are the same… Those are the same people that want, that are so anti Alex Jones for saying Sandy Hook was staged. Which was an awful thing for him to say.

0:19:33.9 Jordan Syatt: Horrible, terrible thing for him to say. Yes, exactly.

0:19:36.7 Mike Vacanti: Obviously, like we don’t… We can continue to say that 10 plus years later. But it’s the opposite of that. They’re doing what they hate.

0:19:45.2 Jordan Syatt: It’s the exact same thing. They’re doing the exact same thing in reverse. Exactly.

0:19:51.3 Mike Vacanti: Yes. Yes. Yeah. I haven’t seen any public takes saying that this kid, I don’t even know his name, the 20 year old on the roof, I haven’t seen anyone publicly saying that they don’t think that he was the only shooter. But I wouldn’t be surprised if by the time this podcast releases there is more discussion around that point.

0:20:22.4 Mike Vacanti: There’s going to be a huge investigation, and we, the public, probably aren’t going to get the full details of that investigation, probably ever. But I don’t know the timing on when we’re going to hear anything. I just think of that JFK documentary from 2021 that you and I watched together.

0:20:44.7 Jordan Syatt: Through the Looking Glass. I think it was. Right?

0:20:44.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Good memory. Yep.

0:20:45.8 Jordan Syatt: One of the best. There’s not a week that goes by that I don’t think about that documentary.

0:20:50.3 Mike Vacanti: So anyone who hasn’t seen it should absolutely watch it. It’s relatively short. All right. Now I don’t even remember. Was that the four part or was it just one?

0:21:00.6 Jordan Syatt: I think it was one long one.

0:21:00.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Like two hours.

0:21:04.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, yeah.

0:21:07.6 Mike Vacanti: Multiple shooters? I don’t know.

0:21:08.7 Jordan Syatt: We still don’t have the details on JFK. No president has shown us the fully redacted files. We still don’t know. And it was supposed to be after 50 years, and then we still don’t have it.

0:21:21.4 Mike Vacanti: Which tells you that it wouldn’t be good if everybody knew what actually happened.

0:21:27.3 Jordan Syatt: That’s exactly right. It would not be good. If everyone knew what the hell actually happened, there would be… And what’s crazy is, I think right now is if we actually fully knew, I don’t think anything would happen. I don’t think people would… People would just be like, “I knew it. I knew it.” And that would literally be it.

0:21:44.7 Jordan Syatt: There would be some people… It would be funny. The conspiracy theorists would say, “We knew it,” and the people who just believed what they’ve been told, they’d be like, “Well, no, that’s not true.” They’d probably then be conspiracy theorists in the opposite way, “That’s probably not what actually happened.”

0:21:58.7 Mike Vacanti: The documentary is unbelievably convincing, though.

0:22:01.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. It was absolutely extraordinary.

0:22:04.2 Mike Vacanti: Any other thoughts?

0:22:07.8 Jordan Syatt: Any other thoughts? I think that the next four months are going to be absolutely crazy.

0:22:19.1 Mike Vacanti: In terms of discourse or in terms of actual things happening, or both?

0:22:23.5 Jordan Syatt: Both. I mean, 2020 was nuts, obviously. And I think where… I’ve said this to you before, I feel like if someone made a movie about everything that we’ve lived through over the last four years, I would say that’s too unrealistic. Like, “Here, check this movie out. Like, we’re gonna have a pandemic and we’re gonna have… ” We’re gonna have like all this stuff that’s happened. Everything.

0:23:00.7 Jordan Syatt: Russia invades Ukraine, we’re going to have this pandemic. We’re going to have Israel, Gaza, we’re going to have China potentially invading Taiwan. We’re going to have like all the divisiveness here within the United States. We’re going to… Everything that’s happened. That’s just too unrealistic. That wouldn’t happen in real life.

0:23:15.2 Jordan Syatt: Not to mention, I would love to see what’s going on behind the scenes. Dude, even the debate between Trump and Biden. In a movie, that scene would be undead believable. You’d be like, we’ve got these two dudes arguing about their golf handle cap.

[laughter]

0:23:33.4 Mike Vacanti: Let’s not be children. Let’s not be children.

0:23:34.8 Jordan Syatt: I’m picturing like Will Ferrell in there being like, “It’s a six,” whatever. You know, it’s just, it would, the movie would be too unrealistic. And yet we are living through it in everyday life.

0:23:47.8 Jordan Syatt: And I think that, I think that as we get closer and closer and closer to the presidential election, we are going to see more. I mean, dude, we’re even seeing Russia and North Korea forming alliances. We’re seeing the Taliban forming alliances with Russia.

0:24:04.3 Jordan Syatt: We’re seeing some pretty insane movement globally creating forces and alliances, just like we did with World War I, just like we did with World War II.

0:24:17.8 Jordan Syatt: I’m not saying, “Hey, World War III is coming.” I’m not saying that. But I am saying I think the next four months are going to be absolutely wild. If I’m not mistaken, I’m pretty sure, did you see something about men under 26 needing to register for the draft here in the United States recently? I think I saw something about that recently.

0:24:33.6 Mike Vacanti: I have not.

0:24:34.4 Jordan Syatt: It’s like we’re seeing these movements, bit by bit by bit, which historically, when these things, like when they happen, just happened bit by bit by bit, slowly and slowly. When you read about in a history book, it goes from one paragraph to the next very quickly. So it seems like it all just happened very quickly.

0:24:50.2 Jordan Syatt: But we’re seeing these movements happen and I’m like, oh my goodness, this is getting very scary. So I don’t know what we’re going to see. I don’t know what to expect. All I know is, or all I think is the next four months and potentially, who knows, next four years are going to be absolutely insane.

0:25:13.6 Jordan Syatt: And the only thing that I can keep pointing it to is who’s in power. Because all these crazy things start to happen during election years. It’s like, it’s just, it’s so… Is it a coincidence? I don’t know. But every election year, we’re getting something fucking wild.

0:25:35.4 Mike Vacanti: Mm-hmm. I have another thought. People know, people who are regular listeners of this podcast, know how much I deep in my soul, despise social media for my own personal use and inability to control consumption of. I am unbelievably grateful in the wake of what just happened, that Twitter, now X, is not now what it was three years ago.

0:26:04.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:26:07.1 Mike Vacanti: The fact that a random eccentric billionaire decided to buy Twitter and make it much more uncensored. And if you look at the CNN headline after the assassination attempt, if you look at the Wall Street Journal headlines after the assassination attempt, you know.

0:26:32.2 Jordan Syatt: “Secret Service escorts Trump off after falling.” [chuckle]

0:26:33.7 Mike Vacanti: That was one of them. There was one, “Trump falls after loud noises.” These deliberately deceitful headlines by these mainstream media organizations are all that we received in the past. Think about it. We didn’t have an uncensored place where… And part of it is that we now all have literal video cameras on us 24/7, and so there’s just more footage of what’s going on in the world and then getting uploaded to a place where it’s not getting taken down immediately.

0:27:08.6 Mike Vacanti: You know, thank God that Elon bought Twitter, because it definitely allowed for and has allowed for more… Even if it comes with downsides, which I’m not arguing that it doesn’t, it’s provided way more transparency around everything, including events like this.

0:27:29.9 Jordan Syatt: You know, I had a feeling of, a feeling of like, in my brain, it went like, “Oh, you get it now,” when you saw those headlines saying like, “Secret Service escorts Trump off after falling,” or, “Loud noises.”

0:27:48.2 Jordan Syatt: Dude, that’s what they’ve done for years and years and years with Israel. They do it all the time. They’ll do it like, “Israel kills like two Palestinians, or, “Two Palestinian boys killed.” It’s like, well, you forgot to mention that those two Palestinian boys went around stabbing innocent Israelis before that the military had to kill them. It’s like and they killed a couple of innocent Israelis before they did that.

0:28:12.3 Jordan Syatt: This is why I hate the media so much, man. It’s like these headlines that they use to completely shift the narrative. And it happens in the fitness industry too. I just saw a huge individual put up on his, on his YouTube channel, on like a, he did a whole interview with some trainer, and the thumbnail is saying, “Cardio is a waste of time.”

0:28:36.6 Jordan Syatt: It’s just like, that’s the thumbnail. That’s what people see. So if they don’t even watch it, that’s what is getting imprinted in their mind. It’s just, it happens in every industry.

0:28:43.8 Jordan Syatt: But I feel like and I know it happens in the US all the time, but this is like, to have such blatant lies and misleading propaganda on a headline from a mainstream article saying, “Secret service escorts Trump off after he falls,” which by the way, he didn’t fall. Even with the gunshots, he didn’t fall. They tackled him.

0:29:10.4 Jordan Syatt: It’s just, if that doesn’t make you question what you’re watching, if that doesn’t make you question what you’re being told, I don’t know what will. I don’t know what will even.

0:29:23.2 Jordan Syatt: It’s so crazy to see here… And before we started, Mike was like, “How deep do you want to go on this?” And I was like, “We’ll just play it by ear.” I just, I can’t help it.

0:29:31.7 Jordan Syatt: And I think both sides do it. Both sides do it. I don’t think one side is better than the other. I’m not necessarily like one side or the other. I just, I think both sides are equally bad at this. But I remember in like 2016, people were calling any Republicans racist and bigoted because they were talking about the border crisis.

0:29:54.2 Jordan Syatt: And they were literally saying on these news outlets, “There’s no border crisis. There’s no border crisis. It’s not real. It doesn’t exist.” And here we are. It is a very, very real thing that is being spoken about by both parties and how it’s a really big problem.

0:30:15.5 Jordan Syatt: But one party and all the mainstream outlets associated with it were saying it’s not… It doesn’t exist. It’s not real. And now, “Oh, shit. It is real.” And people seem to forget that they just were told and it was shoved down their throat that, “It’s not real. It’s not real. It’s not real. It’s not real. Oh, wait. Okay. Actually, yes, it is now.”

0:30:32.0 Jordan Syatt: If that doesn’t make you question what you’re being told, I don’t know what will. It’s just, it’s mind boggling to me.

0:30:43.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Should we move on?

0:30:45.3 Jordan Syatt: I don’t know. What do you think about it?

[chuckle]

0:30:48.0 Mike Vacanti: I’m fully… Bro, I don’t know if you remember this, but in 2014? Either 2000… Yeah, I think it was 2014, maybe 2015. I was walking around gyms turning off the tvs, like videoing myself doing this and posting it on social media.

0:31:06.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. [chuckle]

0:31:09.7 Mike Vacanti: I have been anti… I wrote an article called 40 Rules for Life in 2015, and one of them was, never watch the news. We’re being lied to. Tim Ferriss put me onto this in The 4-Hour Work Week with the low information diet, basically saying, would you rather be uninformed or misinformed if you’re not consumed? And Denzel Washington has parroted this, too. I love hearing him say it.

0:31:34.3 Mike Vacanti: But if you do consume the news, you’re misinformed. If you don’t, you’re uninformed. Which is better, which is worse? I don’t know. And Tim Ferriss’ solution was something to the effect of never consume news, because if it is important enough, one, people in your life will be talking to you about it and you can ask them what’s going on.

0:31:55.5 Mike Vacanti: And two, as you, I think he used the example, as you walk by a newspaper stand, you can read the headline above the fold and get like the one or two or three biggest pieces of information of the day and just kind of be able to, “Oh, okay. So this is what people are talking about.”

0:32:12.3 Mike Vacanti: But yeah, I’m fully with you on… I’m fully with you on both sides. And when I say both sides I mean, yes, right and left and like right-leaning and left-leaning conglomerates and publications, but also individuals. Right?

0:32:28.5 Mike Vacanti: Like political influencers on Twitter, right and left, both have their agendas too. So you’re gonna get partisan takes from the… That’s why I don’t want to be consuming it myself, because I know that very few of those individuals are giving me good, unbiased truth, which I think is most valuable. But yeah, I’m fully with you on not trusting media and most media being heavily biased.

0:32:57.2 Jordan Syatt: I think what’s a great step, because people are like, “Well, I don’t want to be… I don’t want to be uninformed. I want to misinformed,” whatever. I think one of the best things you can do is study history. Because when you study history, all of these things have happened before in a very similar way.

0:33:14.9 Jordan Syatt: And if you go look back through history and you look at what we know through investigations and what actually happened, you can start to piece together how things might be going now. You can get the basics of what’s happening now.

0:33:29.0 Jordan Syatt: And then through historical knowledge, you can really start to be like, okay, so this is what happened then. This is what happened then. This is what happened then. All of these things are similar. There’s some common denominators. I wonder if the same thing or something similar is happening now. And in my experience, that tends to work out very close.

0:33:44.3 Mike Vacanti: So what you’re saying is because the CIA shot John F. Kennedy.

[laughter]

0:33:51.7 Jordan Syatt: Bro, could be a government agency. I don’t know, man. It was a great shot. It was a very accurate shot under insane circumstances. That’s not like people… People compare like, “Oh yeah, it’s an easy shot. It’s like… “

0:34:07.4 Jordan Syatt: If you’re at a gun range inside and you’re shooting at paper, that’s very different than being out in the open publicly. People screaming at you. Secret Service looking at you, cops coming up to look. It’s a completely different situation. Shooting at a real live person. Come on.

0:34:25.3 Mike Vacanti: A hundred percent. Yes. That said, the rooftop was still within a radius where it was a no brainer to have it covered.

0:34:34.3 Jordan Syatt: Obviously. It should have been covered. That’s insane. Which makes me even. Which, by the way, even furthers the point. It’s like, why wasn’t it covered? How was nobody there?

[chuckle]

0:34:47.5 Mike Vacanti: Wild. Wild and scary times.

0:34:50.2 Jordan Syatt: You see the Secret Service snipers from before the shot was taken to when they start taking their shots, they don’t move. They had him in their sights from before he took the shot.

0:35:05.2 Mike Vacanti: And then there’s the, did they need prior authentication?

0:35:10.9 Jordan Syatt: Approval. From what I’ve heard, he didn’t. From what I’ve heard from military snipers, like you don’t need… Like someone pointing a gun at a, a president. You don’t need approval to take them out. [chuckle] Come on.

0:35:25.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:35:25.7 Jordan Syatt: I mean, it could have been… It could have just been mistake, after mistake, after mistake, after mistake, after mistake, after mistake. It could have been that.

0:35:32.7 Mike Vacanti: What do you attribute the likelihood of that?

0:35:34.5 Jordan Syatt: Like percentage-wise?

0:35:36.0 Mike Vacanti: Mm-hmm.

0:35:37.7 Jordan Syatt: In my completely uneducated opinion, that is just purely based off of my own biases and my own like complete uneducated opinion, I’d probably put that at like a 5% chance.

0:35:50.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Okay. 5% chance of mistake is… That it was a mistake, is what Jordan’s saying. Yep.

0:35:55.9 Jordan Syatt: Yes. Mistake after mistake, after mistake after mistake, after mistake after mistake, like that many mistakes over and over and over again. What do you think? What’s your percentage at?

0:36:06.4 Mike Vacanti: I think five is a really good guess. I like that number a lot. I’m not going to go above it.

0:36:11.4 Jordan Syatt: I mean, that’s just a lot of mistakes. A lot. There’s too many.

0:36:15.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yeah.

0:36:17.9 Jordan Syatt: Too many high-level mistakes. We’re gonna get canceled for this podcast.

[laughter]

0:36:22.5 Mike Vacanti: See, this is, you understand public perception so much better than me. I’m like, this is going great.

[laughter]

0:36:30.2 Jordan Syatt: You’re like, “Yeah.” This is, did I, did I go in harder than you expected?

0:36:35.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yeah, you did.

0:36:38.0 Jordan Syatt: Okay.

0:36:38.4 Mike Vacanti: But it was just like…

0:36:39.5 Jordan Syatt: It’s just what I believe the truth is.

0:36:40.3 Mike Vacanti: It was a very real conversation.

0:36:43.0 Jordan Syatt: There are gonna be movies made about this. They’re gonna be movies made about this. I mean, you know what I mean? There are entire movies and documentaries made about assassination attempts made on prime ministers, presidents, people all over the world. There will be a movie made about this.

0:36:58.8 Mike Vacanti: And it almost can’t compete with reality.

0:37:01.7 Jordan Syatt: Correct. I haven’t needed coffee in three days, dude. I just wake up and I’m like, “Oh my God, I can’t believe that happened.”

0:37:08.2 Mike Vacanti: Cortisol.

0:37:09.3 Jordan Syatt: My adrenaline’s just going.

0:37:10.7 Mike Vacanti: Adrenaline. Mm-hmm.

0:37:14.7 Jordan Syatt: Fitness? Calories? [chuckle]

0:37:18.0 Mike Vacanti: How do you transition? But yeah, let’s transition out. It’ll be interesting to see what has changed in a week from the time we record this, because just the speed of new information coming out is wild.

0:37:33.6 Jordan Syatt: If you’re listening to this and you enjoy our podcast overall, if you could leave a five-star review, especially a written five-star review, it would mean the world to us, because I guarantee you there are gonna be people livid with us who are saying, “I did like this podcast, but your discussion of that really made it really bad. And I don’t like you, and you’re evil and he is Hitler.” Dah dah dah dah dah.

0:37:56.7 Jordan Syatt: So if you could leave a five-star review, that would mean the world to us. Just sort of to balance the hate out. That’d be amazing.

0:38:01.8 Mike Vacanti: Thank you very much. We seriously appreciate you. I have an unpopular opinion.

0:38:07.0 Jordan Syatt: Okay.

0:38:07.8 Mike Vacanti: Recreational sports for adults are super overrated.

0:38:14.3 Jordan Syatt: Interesting. I cannot imagine where you’re gonna go with this one. Let me hear it. ‘Cause as of right now, I disagree pretty vehemently. So let me hear your thoughts.

0:38:25.2 Mike Vacanti: The benefit that people think… So I know a lot of people who use the fact that they occasionally play a recreational sport as justification not to do anything else fitness-related. And if you feel like I’m shooting shots at you, there are so many people I know like this that it’s definitely not you. And I love you.

[laughter]

0:38:51.8 Jordan Syatt: There are so many. “I’m not shooting shots at you. I know so many people. So many.”

0:38:57.1 Mike Vacanti: Of the other 70. [chuckle]

0:39:00.4 Jordan Syatt: “They all do sports. Big sports, big sports.” [chuckle]

0:39:03.7 Mike Vacanti: But Jordan, the rationalization of I’m getting benefit from my hour or two hours of I don’t even want to insert a specific sport, there are just so many, and I don’t want anyone to feel too called out.

0:39:19.8 Jordan Syatt: Soccer, basketball, tennis.

0:39:25.7 Mike Vacanti: I’m great with them for enjoyment, I’m great with them for minor cardiovascular benefit. And maybe not even minor, depending on which sport and how hard you’re playing that sport.

0:39:37.9 Mike Vacanti: But generally speaking, the type of person who’s doing zero strength training, and the justification is once a week I play a rec sport, isn’t going that hard in their rec sport.

0:39:50.6 Mike Vacanti: And then wondering why they’re not making progress, wondering why they’re not feeling their best, thinking that there is real longevity benefit to only doing that one rec sport as their physical fitness and that that’s going to pay off in the long run, it’s unfortunately not that beneficial.

0:40:11.1 Jordan Syatt: I agree with that. It’s obviously more beneficial than not doing anything at all. But that’s a given. But I completely agree with that. I think the, when you said they’re overrated, what you really meant was they’re overrated in terms of physical health benefit relative. Just because you do that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t also strength train and work out. That’s essentially what you mean.

0:40:39.1 Mike Vacanti: And do actual cardio. Like if someone’s playing like a leisurely pickleball couple games here and there.

0:40:45.5 Jordan Syatt: Oh wow. You calling your dad out right now? [chuckle]

0:40:47.2 Mike Vacanti: No. No, no. My dad is…

[laughter]

0:40:51.6 Mike Vacanti: No, no, no. I’m actually, you know what? I should just name someone so that everyone else who feels called out isn’t.

[laughter]

0:41:01.1 Mike Vacanti: He doesn’t listen to the podcast. I’m calling out my boy… I love him. I love him to death. Anytime we hang out and I ask him how his lifting regimen is going, he like says it’s going good, but then highlights that he’s playing soccer once a week. And I’m like, I don’t think you’re really strength training. I think you’re just playing soccer. I love him.

0:41:17.8 Jordan Syatt: Do you say that to him?

0:41:18.7 Mike Vacanti: No.

0:41:19.4 Jordan Syatt: Oh, okay. All right. Got it. It’s just in your head.

0:41:21.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:41:23.7 Jordan Syatt: You’re just like, “Nice, man. Good.” Do you say like, “Are you strength training, too?”

0:41:25.6 Mike Vacanti: See, now we’re… Now if… I don’t want this, I don’t want him to hear this. Maybe we bleep his name out.

[chuckle]

0:41:31.3 Mike Vacanti: And he says, “Oh yeah,” once a week, like in his home gym he does something with his dumbbells, and I just don’t believe him. I don’t.

0:41:39.6 Jordan Syatt: Got it.

0:41:41.1 Mike Vacanti: And he’s got a lot going on, bless his heart. The global point here is if you are someone who thinks that replacing strength training for two to three to four hours a week with one hour a week or 90 minutes a week of a recreational sport, you’re not… That’s not a trade, you’re not getting… They’re two completely different things.

0:42:03.1 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. And they’re both valuable and they’re both great to have in your life. You don’t think so?

0:42:10.4 Mike Vacanti: Dude, when I… The number of people hurting themselves playing basketball and playing soccer, and then they’re out of soccer for three or four weeks, and then they play again, and then they retweak, and then they’re out for another month and a half, and then they’re not training because they’re hurt from their sport. Yeah, they’re both valuable in the sense that a penny and a $100 bill are both valuable, but one is a lot more valuable.

[laughter]

0:42:34.1 Jordan Syatt: That’s a real analogy. Man. Yeah. I’m not gonna go as intense on that, because I think just for me, it’s not even about the health in terms of like the cardio or any of that. It’s just the community, you know? And especially now.

0:42:52.4 Mike Vacanti: That’s not even… Yes, I agree with you on that front. Psychological benefit, enjoyment.

0:42:56.1 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, that’s what I mean. Yeah.

0:42:57.0 Mike Vacanti: Outdoor, physical activity, being around people. I’m all for it. But if that’s the true reason, don’t use it as a justification to not strength train. Dude.

0:43:07.9 Jordan Syatt: A hundred percent agree with that. They’re different things. One is exercise, one is community.

0:43:12.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yeah.

0:43:13.0 Jordan Syatt: And it’s great to have both.

0:43:14.5 Mike Vacanti: Yes. You know what? Perfect.

0:43:16.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I would say one is exercise, one is community. There are some people who go hard with recreational sports. It’s very difficult for me if I’m playing a sport, to not go hard. It’s like very challenging. If I’m playing a sport, I’m going hard. Like it’s, and it will become exercise.

0:43:33.7 Jordan Syatt: Some people are not like that and it’s more like it’s a community thing. And that’s wonderful, and that’s totally fine, but yeah, that’s not your, that’s not your 120 minutes of zone two per week. That’s not your strength. That’s not your exercise for the week. That’s your, that’s part of your community for the week.

0:43:47.3 Mike Vacanti: Perfect. Perfect distinction.

0:43:49.3 Jordan Syatt: Okay, here’s a topic. I made a story. Let me give you the whole context for this. I think this is actually really important. I think it’s very interesting. So someone said, “How much do genetics impede the ability to lose weight?”

0:44:10.6 Jordan Syatt: Let me read you my response and then read you the subsequent question that I got on my Q & A. I said, “It’s not so much genetics preventing you from losing fat. It’s moreso your genetics can influence your behaviour, which can make fat loss more difficult. For example, hunger levels have a major genetic component, and if you’re generally hungrier, it can obviously be way more difficult to stay in a calorie deficit and lose fat.”

0:44:36.6 Jordan Syatt: “Keep in mind, you will still lose fat as long as you’re in a calorie deficit. It just makes it more difficult to sustain a deficit if you have higher hunger levels. Non exercise activity thermogenesis is also largely genetic, which plays a massive role in daily calorie burn.” That’s what I said.

0:44:54.5 Jordan Syatt: Then someone asked very nicely, there are… Let me… They said… Where is this? They said, “How is NEAT,” non exercise activity thermogenesis, “How is NEAT largely genetic? What do you mean by that?”

0:45:10.6 Jordan Syatt: And I think it’s worth discussing how NEAT is such a genetic component as a genetic thing that we deal with. Because I think a lot of people assume NEAT is something that you do on your own, like you decide to do it. And you can decide to do it. But there’s also a major part of NEAT, I would say the majority of NEAT is you’re not deciding. It’s just that’s how you are.

0:45:35.3 Jordan Syatt: And the way that I always think about it, and I want to hear your thoughts as well, is I always think of, you know, when you’re a kid in high school, you can probably imagine there’s like one spazzy kid in class who every time he’s going in the classroom, he’s jumping up and hitting the top of the door.

0:45:52.2 Jordan Syatt: And like he’s, his knee is bouncing up and down underneath his desk and he’s running around. And he’s probably pretty skinny, usually labeled as ADHD. But the kid just doesn’t stop moving and he’s skinny and he’s constantly going all the time, and he’s got all of this energy.

0:46:07.0 Jordan Syatt: I think that, number one, I don’t think this, this is a fact. There are some people, like their NEAT can burn over 1000 calories, whereas other people, their NEAT might only burn 200 or 250 calories, which is a huge difference. That amount of difference in caloric burn over the week could be over a pound of fat loss, more, just based on how much NEAT that person is doing if their calories are equated.

0:46:33.4 Jordan Syatt: I think what’s really interesting is, I think a lot of NEAT is based on like your psychology, right? So like if you’re the kind of person, my wife, for example, her head’s always going, she’s always got something going on. She can’t stop, she can’t just sit down. She’s like, “I’ve got this to do, I’ve got that to do, I’ve got this to do, I’ve got that to do. I’ve got to go, go, go, go, go.” She’s thinking and she’s got to get up.

0:46:52.6 Jordan Syatt: Whereas me, I can just… Like just zone out. I can be very just like, whatever. Which is also I think in my genetics, like if you look at my family, we could just sit down and not move a fucking muscle for a long time.

0:47:09.3 Jordan Syatt: So I have to make a lot more of a conscious effort to get up and move, whereas my wife just like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, she moves all the time. And so I think that the genetic component can at least in part be attributed to how you think about things.

0:47:21.0 Jordan Syatt: What you’re like, are you able to focus? Are you able to just relax a little bit? If you’re a person who has trouble relaxing, you might have a higher level of NEAT, be burning more calories. So that’s what I would say. What do you think?

0:47:31.8 Mike Vacanti: I’m going to come at this whole last few minutes from a completely different angle.

0:47:36.5 Jordan Syatt: Cool.

0:47:37.2 Mike Vacanti: So I actually saw that story. Because I went on Instagram before this, because I wanted to see if you had said anything publicly about Trump prior to us recording this.

[laughter]

0:47:52.4 Mike Vacanti: And I wanted to see if like you were making content about it, to get a feel for where you were at with your public-facing positions on the subject.

0:48:00.1 Jordan Syatt: Now, did I, did I… Did I live up to…

0:48:04.4 Mike Vacanti: Well, there was nothing. There was nothing Trump related that I saw.

0:48:06.8 Jordan Syatt: I didn’t. I know, I know, but I gave my full-on public-facing, I gave my full opinion public-facing here. I don’t leave anything back.

0:48:13.6 Mike Vacanti: This was amazing. Yeah.

0:48:15.6 Jordan Syatt: Okay.

0:48:16.6 Mike Vacanti: This was just a regular conversation between the boys. I read, you know, Jordan does a great job with his stories of educating, and I was kind of just looking for a picture of the Don. And so I didn’t read every story.

[chuckle]

0:48:32.3 Mike Vacanti: But that one, for whatever reason, caught my eye and I did read it. And what was more interesting to me, because I think it’s pretty well established that there can be, I don’t remember, 200 to 900 or 200 to 700, like a decent range in terms of calorie expenditure per day, driven by non exercise activity thermogenesis, primarily genetically driven.

0:49:03.7 Mike Vacanti: I had never, and I think actually never heard someone say that hunger, and I don’t remember if you said hunger is primarily genetic or if genetics are like a significant factor.

0:49:16.8 Jordan Syatt: A major component of it. Yeah.

0:49:17.9 Mike Vacanti: A major component. I had never heard that. I had assumed it because we know of the role leptin plays in hunger, we know about the role that ghrelin plays in hunger. So those are hormones.

0:49:38.7 Jordan Syatt: GLP-1s. Yeah.

0:49:41.4 Mike Vacanti: We’re starting to understand peptides a little, like probably just scratching the surface, but understanding them a little bit better. Anything that I have ever studied or heard around that subject had to do with factors within our control that have an influence on those hormones.

0:50:01.8 Mike Vacanti: Whether it’s fasting, whether it’s, you know, not being in too large of a deficit, whether it’s…

0:50:08.5 Jordan Syatt: Caffeine consumption.

0:50:10.9 Mike Vacanti: Caffeine. Protein and fiber are ways to naturally secrete GLP-1 in the gut. So I had never thought about to what… Because there is almost certainly some genetic component to hunger. I had never thought of the degree to which genetics play a role in hunger.

0:50:35.7 Jordan Syatt: So I’ve been doing a lot of research into GLP-1s and why they’re so effective and who is good for them, who’s not good for them. And what im looking at, its been very interesting. We know that, for example, with diabetes, Type 2 diabetes, we know that as they’re, they might be insulin resistant, they’re often, they’re insulin resistant, right?

0:51:03.7 Mike Vacanti: Yep.

0:51:04.2 Jordan Syatt: And/or with Type 1 diabetes, they might not produce sufficient insulin. Right?

0:51:09.9 Mike Vacanti: Okay.

0:51:10.3 Jordan Syatt: So if either you could have the problem of being insulin resistant and/or you could have the problem of not producing enough. It appears that it’s very similar with GLP-1, where you can actually be…

0:51:24.1 Mike Vacanti: Real quick, with Type 1 diabetics you know from a very young age that you’re not producing enough insulin. No one is born a Type 2 diabetic.

0:51:34.2 Jordan Syatt: Correct, correct. Yep.

0:51:35.0 Mike Vacanti: So you’re not born insulin resistant, you become insulin resistant.

0:51:41.1 Jordan Syatt: Correct. Yep.

0:51:42.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yep.

0:51:45.2 Jordan Syatt: Correct. Yep. I think that there’s a genetic component to it. Actually, my buddy Tucker, who’s a doctor, that was one of the things he studied, was if your mom is insulin resistant…

0:51:54.4 Mike Vacanti: Don’t appeal to authority on me.

0:51:55.5 Jordan Syatt: If your mom is insulin resistant, severely overweight when she’s pregnant with you, how that can impact your own level of insulin resistance?

0:52:04.1 Mike Vacanti: Yep. Via epigenetics.

0:52:06.5 Jordan Syatt: Exactly.

0:52:07.1 Mike Vacanti: Yes. That’s true.

0:52:08.4 Jordan Syatt: Which, you know. So that is not necessarily you becoming that, but you could already be predisposed to it based on how your mom was essentially when she was pregnant with you.

0:52:19.4 Mike Vacanti: Yes.

0:52:19.8 Jordan Syatt: So that is interesting. But what I’m, what I’m looking at with the GLP-1 is that you can be GLP-1 resistant, and you can have not sufficient amount of GLP-1, glucagon-like peptide-1, which massively influences hunger.

0:52:37.0 Jordan Syatt: So if you are resistant to it and/or aren’t producing enough of it, then your hunger levels will be vastly different than someone who is very sensitive to it and/or is producing enough of it.

0:52:51.2 Jordan Syatt: Which is where these, you know, these weight loss injections come in, where it’s like it can give you a, it can decrease your hunger through injecting that. That’s where, I don’t know if that makes sense.

0:53:03.8 Mike Vacanti: Complete sense. The amount of GLP-1 you produce naturally has some kind of impact on your hunger levels.

0:53:11.4 Jordan Syatt: Yes.

0:53:13.6 Mike Vacanti: I’m fully with you on there with all of that. Then the jump from not producing enough naturally to that being genetically driven versus…

0:53:26.1 Jordan Syatt: Lifestyle, behaviour driven.

0:53:27.3 Mike Vacanti: 50 years of behaviour driven. Yeah.

0:53:28.8 Jordan Syatt: Correct.

0:53:31.4 Mike Vacanti: Is where my intuition leads me to primarily, primarily nurture rather than nature. Why do I always mix those up? Primarily lifetime behaviours.

0:53:41.5 Jordan Syatt: It would be very interesting to see over time, follow people for years, see from birth or from a young age how much they have, their level of resistance, their level of production, and follow that over years. That would be extraordinary. I don’t know if that’s been done yet or not. I doubt it. But that would give us a lot of insight.

0:54:02.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, it would be very interesting. We just, there is so much more we don’t know on this subject right now compared to what we do know, which will be interesting over the next 30 to 50 years to see what happens.

0:54:20.2 Jordan Syatt: Bro, this was an all-time pod.

0:54:21.7 Mike Vacanti: Was it an all-time pod? We got GLP-1s.

0:54:25.1 Jordan Syatt: I think so.

0:54:25.7 Mike Vacanti: We got recreational sports. And we got…

0:54:27.3 Jordan Syatt: The Don.

0:54:28.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, we have… I’m still in shock that there was an assassination attempt on our former president and frontrunner for the next presidency. And a bullet went through his ear and he stood up and chanted, “Fight, fight, fight,” immediately after.

[chuckle]

0:54:46.8 Mike Vacanti: It’s beyond. And beyond that, that we’re so desensitised to it and our faces are all in our phones so much and we’re so distracted that people are acting like it’s just another walk in the park.

0:54:56.8 Jordan Syatt: Another movie.

0:54:57.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. And it really happened.

0:55:00.8 Jordan Syatt: And he showed up to the RNC within 48 hours. Dude, I don’t know if I’d want to leave my frickin house. I’d be like, “I’m staying in here. I don’t… People are going to try and kill me.” And he’s just out there, bandaged up on his ear. Just insane.

0:55:16.8 Mike Vacanti: Absolutely insane.

0:55:17.8 Jordan Syatt: And respect to Biden and Obama and to everyone who came out and disavowed that act, like huge respect.

0:55:23.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. And most people. Right?

0:55:26.3 Jordan Syatt: Logical people would. Yeah.

0:55:28.8 Mike Vacanti: I’m hoping that we’re talking about a significant minority of people who have the more outlandish, “I wish it didn’t miss,” and, “This is totally staged,” my hope is that that’s a less than two to 5% of the population. I don’t know. That’s my hope. Great episode. Thank you all very much for listening.

0:55:47.6 Jordan Syatt: “The best episode. It was the best. A lot of people, many people like it. Everyone likes it. I don’t know if you’ve heard, everyone likes the episode.”

[chuckle]

0:55:56.7 Mike Vacanti: It’s good. It’s good, bro. Jordan does good.

0:56:01.9 Jordan Syatt: “It’s good. It’s good. Frankly, very impressed.”

[chuckle]

0:56:05.8 Mike Vacanti: Give us some more. Give us some different accents. What else you got?

0:56:08.7 Jordan Syatt: No, no, no. That’s, that’s one episode. One accent an episode. I’ll do a different accent next episode. You get to choose, though. I’ll do whatever you say, whatever accent you want.

0:56:17.9 Mike Vacanti: Really?

0:56:18.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Because you decide. It’s not me deciding. Then they can blame you.

0:56:22.3 Mike Vacanti: In 2018 you did a wide array of accents of different language cultures.

0:56:28.8 Jordan Syatt: Cultures. Yeah.

0:56:31.8 Mike Vacanti: And like nine of them were funny, and two of them got really negative backlash.

0:56:35.5 Jordan Syatt: I know, which is so funny because people, I don’t know, they just get so mad at hearing certain…

[chuckle]

0:56:42.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Good episode. We’ll be back next week. Have a good one.

0:56:49.1 Jordan Syatt: See you.