Episode 193: Exposing Fake Natties, How Much Money Do You Want, Knowing How You Die, & More…

0:00:11.5 Mike Vacanti: Hello, Jordan.

0:00:12.4 Jordan Syatt: What’s up, Michael?

0:00:14.0 Mike Vacanti: Jordan, how do you feel about baths?

0:00:16.8 Jordan Syatt: I don’t like baths.

0:00:18.3 Mike Vacanti: Why don’t you like baths?

0:00:18.6 Jordan Syatt: Dude, they’re just… It’s so interesting. I never would have thought you’d start the conversation with this.

0:00:25.1 Mike Vacanti: [laughter] It’s fun. Like even just hearing the word bath, I’m just like ugh. I don’t know. I’m just not a fan of it. You know what’s really funny? I love hot tubs, but I hate baths. I love a hot tub.

0:00:38.0 Mike Vacanti: That was literally my point. You just took my point from me. Well done.

0:00:42.8 Jordan Syatt: I steelmanned myself.

0:00:46.1 Mike Vacanti: [laughter] I like baths for people who like baths, but I myself don’t like baths.

0:00:52.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, I mean, if you like it, great. I don’t know. I feel like most people don’t like baths. They’ve only started to like baths because they can post they’re taking a bath on social media.

0:01:06.4 Mike Vacanti: People post their bath on social?

0:01:08.3 Jordan Syatt: Bro, where have you been? You used to be…

0:01:10.7 Mike Vacanti: Isn’t that a little raunchy?

0:01:13.4 Jordan Syatt: Bro, there’s legitimate porn on social media. You think showing your toes in the bath is raunchy? There’s actual pornography on social media.

0:01:21.9 Mike Vacanti: I wasn’t sure what kind of bath photos we were talking about, right?

0:01:25.0 Jordan Syatt: I mean, it’s not like butt cheeks spread open. Hey, here’s my bath. It’s more like hey, here’s my bath table that I put over the bath and the book and the candle and like very high up on my thigh type picture. Like oh, that just happened to have my leg just outside the bubbles type. You know what I mean?

0:01:48.6 Mike Vacanti: It’s literally why I re-deleted Twitter again is death and nudity are like I had it off my phone for two weeks. I came back and I told you the first thing I saw, I might’ve actually said this on a podcast already, but the subway hitting the guy and then like porn bot replies to random tweets like yeah, but okay. So baths are trendy is what you’re saying. And you’re just not a huge fan.

0:02:16.7 Jordan Syatt: I don’t know. I feel like a bath is a whole big Megillah. You got to set the bath up. You’ve got the bath bomb. You’ve got to do all this stuff. Whereas the hot tub like it’s ready to go. Like you walk up boom and it’s just, you jump in and you’re good.

0:02:30.2 Mike Vacanti: Hot tubs are incredible. I’m a huge fan of hot tubs. But I’m with you. Baths, I find uncomfortable. I find like a lot of work. I find I have to take a shower afterwards because…

0:02:45.1 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. You sat on your shit.

0:02:49.9 Mike Vacanti: [laughter] And just from the soap and the bubbles like you can’t really. And then if your bath and shower are separate, you’re using multiple things for some reason, because it’s outside, I feel like I enjoy hot tubs more. Whereas being in hot water indoors makes me like overheat. Yeah.

0:03:06.4 Jordan Syatt: I’ve never been in a bath that’s like comfortable to sit in. Hot tubs, they have seats and…

0:03:11.4 Mike Vacanti: Bigger…

0:03:12.6 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, bigger and you can move around and you can, it’s more comfortable. Whereas baths it’s like where do I rest my head? It’s going into my neck. Like it’s just not, my lower, my tailbone is hurt. It’s not comfy.

0:03:26.9 Mike Vacanti: You don’t have to worry about getting water everywhere. A hot tub. You can sit on the edge. It’s like you go five minutes in, Oh, I’m starting to get hot. I’ll get out for five minutes. I’ll get back in. I’ll let my feet dangle in. I feel like there isn’t a lot of room for flexibility in baths. You’re just neck deep in hot water.

0:03:41.6 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. And unless you shower before hot water like with all your filth on.

0:03:44.1 Mike Vacanti: I’m okay with that. I feel like that builds immunity.

0:03:47.7 Jordan Syatt: Interesting. Okay. [laughter]

0:03:48.3 Mike Vacanti: But I would want to wash it off before I proceeded with my life afterwards.

0:03:52.8 Jordan Syatt: Before you get in your bed. [laughter]

0:03:54.7 Mike Vacanti: For sure. For sure.

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0:04:00.5 Mike Vacanti: We have so many things this week, Jordan, we have so many things.

0:04:02.9 Jordan Syatt: Oh, everyone, if you are enjoying the podcast, please leave a five-star review. It would be super helpful. We really, really appreciate the five-star reviews, the shares on social media. If you’re enjoying it and you know, you have other friends or people who are you’re connected with on social media, tag the podcast and tell people to listen. It would mean the world to us. Make sure you tag us as well. Hopefully, we’ll see it. But we appreciate everyone who’s left a review already. And if you haven’t left a review or shared it on social media, it would mean a lot to us.

0:04:28.1 Mike Vacanti: Jordan just threw a right hook as I was about to do a soft mention. So now, I’m gonna hold my soft mention for next week.

0:04:35.5 Mike Vacanti: [laughter] People in the mentorship will get a kick out of the references.

0:04:37.2 Jordan Syatt: No, throw it out. Just toss it out.

0:04:40.7 Mike Vacanti: I’m literally so against throwing multiple jabs/soft mention/ like it just dilutes the whole thing, making multiple asks in a row. So we’ll wait for next week, but I had two announcements. One of them we’ll wait for next week. The other one, the other one is something that we’re going to mention at the end of the podcast. Jordan doesn’t even know what it is yet…

0:05:02.4 Jordan Syatt: I don’t know where anything you do is. I never know. I didn’t know you’re gonna ask about baths. I don’t know anything that you’re gonna do.

0:05:07.8 Mike Vacanti: It’s gonna be very exciting at the end of the episode. Make sure you listen to the whole thing because it’s a whole new structure to the end of the podcast. That is gonna be a real throwback and it’s gonna be enjoyable for definitely for the listener and definitely for me. And Jordan isn’t gonna care.

0:05:24.5 Jordan Syatt: I think I know what it is.

0:05:26.2 Mike Vacanti: Wow. You don’t. I’m actually gonna let you guess.

0:05:28.5 Jordan Syatt: I can’t prove this, but?

0:05:31.4 Mike Vacanti: No. You don’t like I can’t prove this, but?

0:05:33.5 Jordan Syatt: No, I do like it.

0:05:34.8 Mike Vacanti: Oh, but I said you’d be neutral. You thought, I thought you didn’t like it?

0:05:37.2 Jordan Syatt: Neutral dude. If you thought I would be neutral, then I was neutral with it. I was neutral with, I can’t prove this, but.

0:05:43.3 Mike Vacanti: Oh, I thought you, I thought if we did, I can’t prove this, but you’d be excited. I’m actually gonna be like literally neutral for, you’re gonna be like oh, I don’t care.

0:05:51.2 Jordan Syatt: Okay. All right, cool.

0:05:52.8 Mike Vacanti: You know what? I’m gonna let you, we’re gonna play the number game. Pick a number one through eight.

0:05:58.1 Jordan Syatt: Four.

0:06:00.8 Mike Vacanti: One, two, three, four. I have a truly unpopular opinion.

0:06:02.8 Jordan Syatt: Okay.

0:06:02.9 Mike Vacanti: Like not one that you say this is an unpopular opinion, but you know, everyone’s gonna like it. So you get good engagement on your post. I mean…

0:06:08.1 Jordan Syatt: It’s not like it’s like you actually legitimately have an unpopular opinion that people are not gonna like.

0:06:12.9 Mike Vacanti: No one’s gonna like this.

0:06:14.0 Jordan Syatt: Okay.

0:06:14.9 Mike Vacanti: Steak is overrated.

0:06:17.7 Jordan Syatt: Okay. Say more.

0:06:19.8 Mike Vacanti: Okay. The cost relative to ground beef does not justify the difference in taste and enjoyability relative to ground beef, right? So if steak is, I don’t know, I actually don’t know what it is. It depends on what cut you get, but let’s say it’s twice as expensive. Could be three times as expensive. Could be much more than that if we’re thinking about a nice restaurant and their prices rather than their costs, 5, 10 times more expensive. I find steak like marginally more enjoyable and sometimes less enjoyable than ground beef. Personally, I digest ground beef way better than I digest steak. I find the taste of a really good steak is unbelievable and don’t get me wrong. I like steak. It’s just so popular among who eat it that I think it has become overrated.

0:07:11.8 Jordan Syatt: It’s funny. I wouldn’t have expected you to say that at the beginning, but after you broke down like relative cost, how it makes you feel like that, I agree with that. And for whatever, just for everyone who doesn’t understand like overrated doesn’t mean you don’t like it. I know you love a good steak. Like we’ve had, you love steak, but overrated for like all things considered, all topics considered, all characteristics considered, it’s overrated. I agree. Especially in this most recent carnivore world where everyone’s like “God, you just need steak. You need steak.” It’s like man, it would be such an easier way to eat carnivore with ground beef rather that all these rib eyes they’re having.

0:07:53.0 Mike Vacanti: True. Well, and you can make the point that steak is overrated as a health food amongst people who eat pounds of steak every day.

0:08:00.8 Jordan Syatt: 100%.

0:08:02.8 Mike Vacanti: Saturated fat in moderate quantities is fine, of course. But if we’re talking about fatty cuts of meat being your primary source of protein and eating high amounts of it every single day for years on end, that’s bad for your health.

0:08:15.0 Jordan Syatt: 100%. Yep.

0:08:17.5 Mike Vacanti: I got another random little point. That’s more of a black swan on it, but risk of choking/death on steak exists. Whereas it really doesn’t exist with ground beef. There’s actually a phenomenon. If you Google like steakhouse death, there’s articles warning about this and written about this, where they’ll find people dead in steakhouse bathrooms because they choke. I think maybe we talked about this a couple of years ago. They choke, they get embarrassed. They can’t talk. They go to the bathroom. Like maybe they’re at a business dinner. They don’t feel comfortable. They go to the bathroom and they die in there. Rather than doing the, if you’re ever choking, you’re supposed to do the universal sign of choking, both hands across your neck like signal I’m choking. And hopefully someone there’s trained in the Heimlich can give it to you, get that piece of whatever out and you’ll be okay. But that’s like a 0.01% factor.

0:09:12.6 Jordan Syatt: Isn’t that what your dad, didn’t your dad walk away from the table when he was choking?

0:09:16.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:09:16.9 Jordan Syatt: And you went up and you saved him.

0:09:18.8 Mike Vacanti: But yeah.

0:09:20.1 Jordan Syatt: Did you know that he like… He didn’t say, “Hey… He didn’t like do the universal signal. He just got up and went away.

0:09:26.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. So if someone can make noise, they’re usually okay. If they can cough, if they can talk, then they have some airway open and should be able to cough it up on their own. If they can’t make any noise, that’s when you’re in trouble like serious trouble. And he couldn’t make any noise. And so, I saw him walk over there and yeah, that was a couple of years back.

0:09:51.6 Jordan Syatt: Did you say, “why did you walk away, man? [laughter] Like you’re supposed to let us know.”

0:09:55.7 Mike Vacanti: No. It’s a natural reaction. I get it, but yeah. Yeah. That was was very scary. Pick another number.

0:10:05.5 Jordan Syatt: Ground beef could save your life.

0:10:09.7 Mike Vacanti: [laughter] I mentioned it last…

0:10:10.4 Jordan Syatt: No more steak for me and my family.

0:10:11.7 Mike Vacanti: I mentioned it last because it’s not like a deciding factor, obviously, but it’s a very a straw that could break the camel’s back.

0:10:20.4 Jordan Syatt: Have you ever choked on pasta or spaghetti?

0:10:24.5 Mike Vacanti: I don’t think so. I chew my food very thoroughly.

0:10:27.5 Jordan Syatt: Your whole life, you’ve never choked on it?

0:10:29.5 Mike Vacanti: I mean, what do you mean choked? Like coughed like swallowed it without chewing at all. And then like coughed up a little bit or like needed a Heimlich?

0:10:37.4 Jordan Syatt: No, there was one time. I remember one time when I was a kid, I was choking on my like spaghetti. And this is like the only time I’ve ever really choked. And I was sitting at my kitchen table and I was freaking out ’cause I like and I put a lot of grated cheese on it. So it was dry. It wasn’t like slippery spaghetti there wasn’t like it was just dry spaghetti with a… I would put a lot of grated cheese on it when I was a kid. ‘Cause it’s just so good. I would just dump it on there and mix it in. So I had this wicked dry spaghetti and then it was just sitting a big clump of it in my throat. And I was like “Oh my God. Oh my God.” And I literally shoved my hand down my throat and pulled the spaghetti out. And my mom was like, “What the fuck was that?” [laughter]

0:11:31.0 Jordan Syatt: She just had no idea what happened. I was like, “I was choking.” I was choking. I couldn’t breathe. If you’re, when your mouth gets dry from something salty like grated cheese or something, it dried out and nothing was going down. So I literally had to pull it out of my mouth.

0:11:47.2 Mike Vacanti: That’s scary, dude.

0:11:49.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:11:50.1 Mike Vacanti: That’s really scary. I’m glad you pulled it out.

0:11:51.1 Jordan Syatt: That’s what she said. Yeah. [laughter]

0:11:54.5 Mike Vacanti: Or she didn’t, or she didn’t say that. You have only choked once in your life?

0:12:03.4 Jordan Syatt: That’s the only one that I vividly, vividly remember. Yeah.

0:12:09.0 Mike Vacanti: Your personality like as a kid, especially now I would imagine you eat a little more mindfully or whatever, but your personality strikes me as someone who would be a fast and like reckless eater. Not like a binge eater, but in like just a, I wanna go play outside. So I’m gonna eat this meal as fast as I can so I can go play outside.

0:12:29.6 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. And like running while I’m eating to get outside more quickly. Like okay, let me just grab this. And as I’m running and inhaling deeply, let me put this food in my mouth that I won’t actually chew very well. 100%. Yeah. I would do that all the time. Go on. Let me go on the trampoline while I’m eating food. Like just let me do backflips. Just stupid, stupid, stupid.

0:12:49.9 Mike Vacanti: Pick another number.

0:12:50.5 Jordan Syatt: Two.

0:12:51.0 Mike Vacanti: Okay. So I don’t wanna harp on the introduction I’m gonna give here ’cause I think it’s kind of dumb, the idea and the software, but basically there’s this app type thing. I don’t even know what it’s called, but you answer a whole bunch of questions and it predicts your death date.

0:13:09.8 Jordan Syatt: Jeez, dude. We’re just talking about choking and dying. Like I thought this would be a great podcast. You put the list together [laughter] is one through eight all death?

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0:13:21.2 Mike Vacanti: No, it’s not. And I didn’t even know that the choking thing was gonna be such a topic of conversation on the steak. We can go quickly on this one if you’re not loving it. But basically, my question is if you could know when you’re going to die, and you couldn’t change it. And would you wanna know?

0:13:45.8 Jordan Syatt: No, of course not.

0:13:46.0 Mike Vacanti: Interesting.

0:13:46.0 Jordan Syatt: Would you wanna know?

0:13:48.1 Mike Vacanti: I heard this discussion on the radio this morning and all of the radio hosts said, no, they wouldn’t wanna know. Yeah, I think I would.

0:13:56.1 Jordan Syatt: That makes sense. So you could plan ahead of time. [laughter] You could get everything in order. So yeah. Like why wouldn’t I wanna know just so I can make sure everything, I mean, everything is done. I need to get done. [laughter]

0:14:08.5 Mike Vacanti: Planned like I don’t know. I think that, yeah, maximize certain experiences, relationships, make decisions a little bit differently. I think that I would live differently if I knew it was gonna happen in five years or it was gonna happen in 65 years.

0:14:33.6 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, for sure. For sure. But I don’t know, I feel like that would… I don’t think we’re meant to live like that. But also, I feel like as soon as you know, it takes away so many experiences of how we’re supposed to live.

0:14:55.5 Mike Vacanti: Sure. I’m with you like it being unnatural way to live.

0:14:56.0 Jordan Syatt: Like in everything is now overshadowed by that like everything.

0:15:03.1 Mike Vacanti: It should be already because it’s guaranteed already. It’s just, we don’t know when it happens. It does happen to all of us.

0:15:10.3 Jordan Syatt: I wonder if there’s something about knowing like and you obviously I can’t change it. This is gonna happen. But I wonder if there’s any part of you that would live trying to prevent it. It would be just like, “Okay, I know this is gonna happen. But let’s see if I can out outdo death.”

0:15:28.7 Mike Vacanti: But it would be a guarantee that…

0:15:30.7 Jordan Syatt: Just a part of life you know that’s just how you’re gonna die.

0:15:34.2 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:15:34.8 Jordan Syatt: When would you want to find out? If you could choose a point in your life, would you want to know when you’re a kid? Like hey like your coming of age? You’re like whatever it is like a bar mitzvah for Jews, “All right, your bar mitzvah, here’s your death date. And here’s how you do it.” Or like what age would you want to know? 18?

0:15:58.1 Mike Vacanti: No, I don’t think I’d be equipped mentally at that stage. I’m just thinking present day, right? Can’t change the past. So if it actually happened, then today.

0:16:09.1 Jordan Syatt: But let’s say like hypothetical world. Everyone knows from them…

0:16:17.8 Mike Vacanti: Okay. From a certain time?

0:16:18.9 Jordan Syatt: From the moment you’re born a fax comes out of this fax machine that says this is your death date. This is how you die. And they put it in a folder.

0:16:25.5 Mike Vacanti: Jordan’s makes fun of me for not being on social. He’s using fax machines.

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0:16:36.7 Mike Vacanti: It depends, because sadly there would be people if we picked, if we said 18, or if we said 25, 25 is kind of the number for some reason coming to mind for me, but there would be people who didn’t make it until then.

0:16:48.3 Jordan Syatt: Right. Yeah.

0:16:50.5 Mike Vacanti: Okay. Pick another number.

0:16:51.1 Jordan Syatt: If another one has to do with death, I’m really gonna be upset. Eight.

0:16:54.3 Mike Vacanti: I’m gonna do nine.

0:16:55.1 Jordan Syatt: Stop it. Stop it. Are you serious? Eight has to do with death?

0:17:00.7 Mike Vacanti: No, it doesn’t. I just feel like we need to go a little, it’s another like big topic. And I think we should go a little lighter after this.

0:17:06.0 Jordan Syatt: Okay.

0:17:06.9 Mike Vacanti: Target has the store, Target. They have this festive stuffing flavored popcorn, and it’s a bag of five servings for $2.99. The macros aren’t good by any means. It’s popcorn, 8 fat, 16 carb, 4 fiber, 5 servings per bag. It’s the most delicious popcorn I’ve ever eaten in my entire life.

0:17:33.0 Jordan Syatt: And it tastes like Thanksgiving stuffing?

0:17:36.0 Mike Vacanti: It tastes better somehow.

0:17:38.3 Jordan Syatt: Oh, wow.

0:17:40.0 Mike Vacanti: It’s Thanksgiving stuffing flavored, but it is unbelievable.

0:17:42.4 Jordan Syatt: Is there anything in it besides popcorn?

0:17:44.4 Mike Vacanti: Nope.

0:17:45.8 Jordan Syatt: Wow. So they literally just have a seasoning that tastes like stuffing.

0:17:49.8 Mike Vacanti: It’s very good.

0:17:50.0 Jordan Syatt: Are you gonna have it on Thanksgiving?

0:17:52.7 Mike Vacanti: No, but I’m gonna have it from now until Thanksgiving was my plan. But now I might not, because both times I had it, I had much more than I was anticipating.

0:18:04.5 Jordan Syatt: Did you eat the whole bag?

0:18:06.7 Mike Vacanti: One of the times I ate the whole bag, 750 cals. I’m training like you wouldn’t believe these days in terms of lifting.

0:18:14.0 Jordan Syatt: You wouldn’t believe. No one even knows.

0:18:17.6 Mike Vacanti: No one knows except the other people in my gym, to be honest. But yeah, I never have this kind of sensation with salty like you do. I’m a sweet guy.

0:18:30.2 Jordan Syatt: You love sweet.

0:18:30.3 Mike Vacanti: And so, ice cream, chocolate, those are the things that usually get me. This got me. And so I’m probably gonna have it very sparingly until Thanksgiving.

0:18:40.4 Jordan Syatt: I’m not even gonna eat it because Thanksgiving stuffing is like in my top 10 favorite foods of all time.

0:18:45.1 Mike Vacanti: And you love popcorn.

0:18:46.6 Jordan Syatt: And I love popcorn. This is like a death sentence.

0:18:49.9 Mike Vacanti: Or It’s a life sentence for enjoyment.

0:18:52.4 Jordan Syatt: Are you trying to make me like just super fat?

0:18:55.0 Mike Vacanti: No, but I don’t know. I was trying to give you happiness in your Life.

0:18:58.4 Jordan Syatt: Did we tell the time you told me to start eating more real ice cream.

0:19:02.2 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, we told that story. [laughter] we did tell that. We did. I was trying a little n=1 with Häagen-Dazs vanilla ice cream when you, to calm your stomach when you were having some digestive issues. And first of all, I didn’t know, I didn’t realize how lactose intolerant you are. And secondly, you, Jordan eats this whole ice cream on the phone with me in your car and you’re like “oh, I’m so full,” ’cause the pint’s probably a thousand calories. You’re like, “I’m so full.” I’m like “oh man, you didn’t have to eat the whole thing.” You’re like “yeah, well, I’m sitting in my car.” You ate the whole thing. And then 20 minutes later you called me and you’re chomping on something. I go, “What are you eating?” “Popcorn.” “What? You told me you were stuffed from the Häagen-Dazs. Why are you eating popcorn?” You’re like “it looked good. I walked by it in CVS and it looked good.”

0:20:00.7 Jordan Syatt: I was already getting ice cream. Might as well.

0:20:02.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Was already off it for the day. May as well.

0:20:06.6 Jordan Syatt: Man. Is it like is there a real texture to the popcorn or is it super light? Like is it a heavy popcorn?

0:20:15.2 Mike Vacanti: No, it’s light popcorn. It’s the seasoning that is out of this world. I don’t know what their, the food scientists who created this like they should win some kind of prize.

0:20:23.2 Jordan Syatt: I wish they would just sell the seasoning.

0:20:25.2 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Maybe they will.

0:20:26.3 Jordan Syatt: You know like in Chex Mix, how like the best part of the Chex mix is that really dark, crisp.

0:20:32.1 Mike Vacanti: It’s similar to that.

0:20:32.2 Jordan Syatt: Oh, really?

0:20:34.5 Mike Vacanti: It’s similar to like bold Chex mix flavoring. But even better.

0:20:40.5 Jordan Syatt: Man. And then they started selling that Just bags with that like fit that.

0:20:44.8 Mike Vacanti: Oh, the brown chip.

0:20:44.9 Jordan Syatt: Dark crisp in it. Yeah. They have bags just of that. They should sell that seasoning. Man. That would be awesome.

0:20:52.1 Mike Vacanti: This might be a controversial take. I don’t like that brown chip.

0:20:55.8 Jordan Syatt: That’s The least surprising thing to me. Of course you don’t, let me guess which one is your, is your favorite The actual Chex.

0:21:03.9 Mike Vacanti: Be more specific.

0:21:04.0 Jordan Syatt: The darker Chex?

0:21:06.0 Mike Vacanti: No, the corn one.

0:21:06.7 Jordan Syatt: The light Chex?

0:21:07.7 Mike Vacanti: Not the wheat one. Mm-Hmm.

0:21:10.5 Jordan Syatt: I… wow. That’s one of the worst ones in the whole thing.

0:21:13.5 Mike Vacanti: It’s the best one. It’s the one that I digest the best and it’s lighter and a little fluffier and more voluminous and delicious. The brown thing thing.

0:21:23.4 Jordan Syatt: The little breadstick is the second best and it’s a close second.

0:21:26.1 Mike Vacanti: I don’t… that’s my second favorite as well. But the brown chip, it’s just dense and almost greasy and.

0:21:32.5 Jordan Syatt: It’s crunchy. It’s got, it’s so, yeah. It’s awesome.

0:21:36.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. It’s very like breaks your teeth. It’s so crunchy.

0:21:40.8 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Alright, let’s go back to number eight.

0:21:41.5 Mike Vacanti: Okay. But I already know the answer to this. I must have written this one down.

0:21:44.6 Jordan Syatt: It’s your list.

0:21:46.4 Mike Vacanti: I must have written this one down right after the last podcast ’cause the question is, I literally can’t remember the segue or what I was thinking about when I wrote this down. But the question is, how much money do you want? Because, and the conversation would revolve around like a work to enjoyment life ratio, not overextending, overworking. Part of it was, I was thinking about, if you have a net worth target for your life like it kind of Die With Zero book mindset. What are the costs and benefits of achieving that number too quickly? Versus, you know, if you hit that number at 38 compared to 55, what are the pros and cons of each?

0:22:45.3 Jordan Syatt: I like this topic.

0:22:47.5 Mike Vacanti: Okay. All right. What do you think?

0:22:49.1 Jordan Syatt: Well, I mean, you already have 7 million in the bank.

0:22:51.2 Mike Vacanti: Jordan. See, Jordan just says things on the podcast to get a reaction out of me. And that’s not true. That’s not true. It’s actually fundamentally a false statement in all respects.

0:23:09.4 Jordan Syatt: You want me to go first with what I think like how much money I want.

0:23:13.3 Mike Vacanti: We don’t even have to say specific numbers. I’m almost more interested in, because I feel like your approach is more of a sprint whereas mine is more of a walk in the park and I think that is exemplified by our social media usage.

0:23:33.9 Jordan Syatt: 100%.

0:23:34.0 Mike Vacanti: And even the way we’ve set up our businesses with one-on-one coaching being non-scalable and a membership being scalable.

0:23:42.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I also feel like it’s largely fueled by your more pragmatic thought process and approach versus my fear driven approach, which I think is like whether it’s genetic or how we were raised. But like a lot of my drive comes from the fear of losing everything in terms, from a business perspective. Whereas yours is like well, I’ve got this much and I can just do the numbers and logically figure out how much I would need in order to pay these bills in order to, It’s, you approach money very pragmatically. I approach it from, I have a bad relationship with money in the same way many people have a bad relationship with food. It’s improved over the years.

0:24:41.9 Mike Vacanti: It’s definitely improved. Yeah.

0:24:43.0 Jordan Syatt: It’s improved dramatically because you’ve taught me about it and like I understand it better now, but like.

0:24:49.8 Mike Vacanti: That’s very gracious. But I don’t get that much credit, but thank you.

0:24:52.0 Jordan Syatt: 100% You get credit because if, and who knows, I’m sure someone else could have taught me about it, but someone else didn’t teach me about it. It was you. So like it was that has helped me, but that fear is underlying the sprint that I go on that I’ve been on since I was what.

0:25:17.5 Mike Vacanti: In college.

0:25:18.6 Jordan Syatt: A teenager. Yeah. In college. Yeah. Early 20s, 21 since I started my business. Yeah. So, I mean, the number that I’ve made up in my head, I think we spoke about it, is 10 million is like which I am nowhere, even remotely, not even in the same country as it, nevermind the same ballpark. Not even in the same nation. Potentially not even in the same universe, but.

0:25:43.4 Mike Vacanti: Okay. Enough. That’s You’re very.

0:25:46.2 Jordan Syatt: That for me is where it’s like because it’s not just what I would need for my life, it’s what I, it’s, I’m thinking, let’s say I die, what I want to have available for my wife, my children, their children, to have enough funds to have that money continue to grow long after I’m gone so that they’re taking care of emergencies, potential world wars. Like really taking everything into consideration that would be like the maximum of what I feel like I would need or want.

0:26:27.2 Mike Vacanti: Oh, that’s interesting that you feel like that’s the maximum. I didn’t know That. I thought that was today’s target. That’s Interesting. So you could…

0:26:36.7 Jordan Syatt: No, that’s like that is the target, but it is the maximum. I’m targeting the maximum.

0:26:40.6 Mike Vacanti: So if you were at eight, you might feel comfortable, and by the way, we need to think about this in terms of, how much income your assets can produce. And so stocks, bonds, cash, and a high yield savings accounts, all of these are assets. When you start to accumulate net worth, which happens, time is the number one factor in net worth, right? If you compare a 25-year-old to a 65-year-old, the 65-year-old has more working years, has more accumulated gains on their investments, has bigger net worth. That’s what we’re thinking about in terms of how, what kind of lifestyle do I want and what kind of return on assets will fund it. And so if we go with a conservative 5% per year return on investment on $10 million, that would be $500,000 a year in income essentially that, right.

0:27:45.7 Mike Vacanti: And another thing to think about is overshooting that number and ’cause when you talk about I want my kids and my family to be well taken care of, if God forbid something bad were to happen to me. I think what a lot of people, and some of my friends in the hedge fund world, in the private equity world, in like the like the big money game where 10 isn’t their number, where 25 to 50 to 100 plus is their number. And the ones who talk about really wanting to look after their kids or really wanting like their kids to have a great life, I think there’s not only diminishing marginal utility on more money for kids, I think it’s actually a u-shaped curve where once you pass a certain point, giving your kids too much actually decreases their quality of life via spoiling them via, you know.

0:28:44.2 Jordan Syatt: 100%

0:28:44.3 Mike Vacanti: Essentially the type of struggles or lack of struggles that that kid might have as a result of having “too much.” I was pretty with you on 10 million for a while and then was maybe thinking 7 to 8. I feel like 5. Like it really depends on how much.

0:29:07.6 Jordan Syatt: The day. It depends on the day. Sometimes you’re with me, sometimes you’re not with me.

0:29:11.2 Mike Vacanti: No, no, no. I think it depends more on, I mean sure. In terms of our conversations about it, but it depends on the type of lifestyle that one wants, right? If you think about the potential returns of that, it depends on how much you want to be working and until what age you want to be working. And it depends on the margin of safety that you want to build in, right? Like two or three could easily be enough. But then what if, and then you can play out any, what if scenarios with market crashes, with war, with.

0:29:44.7 Jordan Syatt: Health crises, whatever, things like that. Yeah.

0:29:47.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. We don’t analyze 50-year chunks of time very effectively. We have a large recency bias as human beings. And so we’re looking at, you know, the 2008 stock market crash, or we’re looking at what’s happened in the last 10 to 20 years, but not looking at things in 50 to 75 year chunks of time, depending on how old you are.

0:30:09.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I mean, I think a lot about health crises and I’ve seen and heard horror stories of people who have, who just drain their accounts when horrible health things, You know what I mean? So it’s, a lot of it is based around worst case scenario, which is literally how my brain works.

0:30:25.1 Mike Vacanti: I’m gonna devil’s advocate that with, there’s easier ways than having 10 mil in the bank to hedge against that. And that would be like having high premium life insurance/having really good health insurance.

0:30:38.2 Jordan Syatt: Yep.

0:30:40.2 Mike Vacanti: Right? Like yeah. Those situations do happen, but it would be cheaper to have a very high premium, high payout life insurance policy than it would be to work your butt off to have.

0:30:57.9 Jordan Syatt: Of course.

0:30:57.9 Mike Vacanti: X amount of dollars.

0:31:00.8 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yeah.

0:31:00.9 Mike Vacanti: The reason you’re doing it isn’t exclusively in case you pass early.

0:31:05.5 Jordan Syatt: Correct. Correct.

0:31:06.1 Mike Vacanti: But you took us back to death here. I didn’t take us back to death on This one. I’m getting uncomfortable. [laughter] it’s interesting to think about. I think it’s good to have those goals, not only for the majority of the population, sadly, who are possibly undershooting like a, we’ll call it a retirement number. But when you’re working for yourself, you can kind of, you could pick the speed at which you’re earning. It doesn’t have to be a 60 or 65-year-old target. It could be a Target at a younger age, but it’s also interesting for people, the minority of people who are over savers. So not to make the mistake of overworking/over saving/underspending under enjoying life and ending up with, oh my gosh, I have 30 million in the bank and you’re 60. But, you know, you sacrificed so much for that number, not realizing what you missed along the way.

0:32:06.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Over savers are like over exercisers. It’s a real problem, but not nearly as big of a problem as the under savers and under exercises.

0:32:14.5 Mike Vacanti: Boom.

0:32:16.0 Jordan Syatt: Population wise.

0:32:20.2 Mike Vacanti: Analogy King. Yes. That’s perfect. That is absolutely perfect.

0:32:23.8 Jordan Syatt: Seven.

0:32:25.0 Mike Vacanti: Oh man, I don’t, okay. Instagram’s incredible.

0:32:28.4 Jordan Syatt: Oh, Wow. Yeah. You love Instagram.

0:32:32.2 Mike Vacanti: Instagram. What have I been doing since literally 2017? Why has no one told me that the content on, okay, so on Twitter, I’ve already told you what I’m seeing. I’m seeing political arguments, I’m seeing people dying. I’m seeing like bots of like nudity. I’m seeing like all kinds of garbage. YouTube shorts. Eh, fine. Like reasonable. I don’t know, maybe I see a Chris Williamson podcast clip. Maybe I see a like a workout kind of educational thing. Maybe I see a, I don’t even know what I say on YouTube shorts. I started consuming on Instagram. This app is the best.

0:33:11.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. They’ve got their algorithm down.

0:33:13.3 Mike Vacanti: There is so much funny content on Instagram and it’s, and I see friends and family and you know, people, I want to see people I know see some people in the mentorship. That’s fun. I see very enjoyable content. I’ve been sending you all kinds of stuff that the leg day…

0:33:31.4 Jordan Syatt: You never used to do this.

0:33:33.3 Mike Vacanti: The leg day singing. Well, it’s been about three days. We’ll see if I’m just getting Instagram’s absolute cream of the crop right now ’cause everything I’m seeing has like 5 million likes and a million shares on it. So maybe there’s a limited supply of their best stuff, but.

0:33:48.6 Jordan Syatt: There’s no limited supply. It’s unlimited. And I think what’s gonna happen, I think you’re gonna get sucked in the vortex and out of nowhere you’re gonna be like I need to get out of here. Like I am in way too deep.

0:34:01.5 Mike Vacanti: Maybe.

0:34:01.8 Jordan Syatt: And then eventually you’re gonna delete it. But dude, Instagram, it’s so addicting. It’s scary. Like I literally need to leave my phone in the other room. I can’t have it next to me. I need like during dinner or at any point or if I’m outside, if I’m on a walk like when we’re on a family walk, I put my phone in the stroller ’cause if it’s in my pocket, it will come out of my pocket.

0:34:25.8 Mike Vacanti: Smart.

0:34:26.4 Jordan Syatt: And I obviously don’t wanna leave the house without it in case of an emergency. So it’s just, it’s in the stroller. If we’re at dinner, it’s in the bedroom. Like if I’m outside playing, it’s inside, I can’t have it on me because if it’s on me, it’s bad news bears. It’s so addicting.

0:34:41.3 Mike Vacanti: Well, you’re not only have the potential to be consuming really good content.

0:34:47.7 Jordan Syatt: DMs and all of that. Yeah, yeah.

0:34:48.4 Mike Vacanti: You also have DMs. You have engagement on your posts.

0:34:50.3 Jordan Syatt: Correct.

0:34:50.4 Mike Vacanti: You have comments, you have, is someone leaving a bad comment? Do I need to go to war here? Or is everyone saying they love me? That’s dopamine. Like you have, it’s, vortex is the perfect word for you. Because there are so many types of addictiveness and pleasure built within it for someone who’s consuming and creating on the app.

0:35:11.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, that’s really true. Yeah, it’s not just about, A lot of it is DMs, to be honest. A lot of DMs.

0:35:16.9 Mike Vacanti: I get a lot of DMs, I can’t…

0:35:20.0 Jordan Syatt: A lot of DMs. So many.

0:35:23.9 Mike Vacanti: Yep. Are you, do you get a lot of DMs Jordan, because you’re out there pounding away cold DMing and people saying like “Hey, Inner Circle 20% off for you only” like finding random people on all over the internet?

0:35:34.8 Jordan Syatt: Cold DMs.

0:35:35.1 Mike Vacanti: You just, do you, are your DMs so flooded because, you send one to 2000 cold DMs a day just pounding the pavement and trying to build your business that way?

0:35:43.0 Jordan Syatt: For everyone who can’t tell or doesn’t know, Mike is making fun of the mastermind business gurus who this is their business strategy. You cold DM as many people as you can every day to try and sell them on your program.

0:35:55.3 Mike Vacanti: “You should never post on social media because that doesn’t work. You need to be cold DMing,” they say in a social media post to grow their guru business. It’s wild.

0:36:08.8 Jordan Syatt: It’s insane. It’s really insane. You don’t need to be posting on social media. And then you go to their social media and they’re posting every day and they’re getting like four likes and they’re like this is how we made seven figures as a business without posting on social media. And I’m like you literally post on social media every day, multiple times a day. And then they just start running paid ads and cold DMing people. Yeah. It’s insanity.

0:36:28.9 Mike Vacanti: That’s the one thing I haven’t enjoyed is Instagram has way more sponsored posts than any other platform.

0:36:35.6 Jordan Syatt: Oh, interesting.

0:36:35.7 Mike Vacanti: Uh-huh. And it’s mostly gurus. It’s mostly the same five gurus.

0:36:43.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. And all like.

0:36:45.8 Mike Vacanti: It probably is for a lot of people listening too, You know.

0:36:48.3 Jordan Syatt: I end up clicking on it because I wanna see what they’re doing and I like analyzing and then I end up getting their stuff all the time.

0:36:55.6 Mike Vacanti: It’s probably what’s happening.

0:36:56.4 Jordan Syatt: Which is obnoxious, but yeah like I’m, okay, let me see what you’re offering. Let me see how you’re presenting it. Da da dah. Yeah. I actually, I almost left a really negative comment on an advertisement I saw yesterday and I was like I’m not gonna do this. But there’s an advertisement for this mobility page that was saying, Hey, this is how you get your full front splits in four weeks. And you could see the before picture and the after picture was this woman who like could not even go as low as I could when I first started. And then full outrageous front split with like feet elevated in the after. And they were like this is 30 days. And I, you look at the picture, you can tell she was pretending to not be flexible in the first picture. Like she 100% had the ability to go as far down as she could, but like she was pretending to not have, and I almost was like this is very obvious and this is terrible, terrible like disingenuous marketing, you guys are at. But I was like I’m just, I’m gonna leave it. I’m not gonna do this.

0:37:58.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, that was probably for the better to not comment, but it sounds like the stretching and mobility equivalent of the, let me look as terrible as I can with bad lighting in a before picture followed by optimal lighting, pump, etcetera in the an after photo.

0:38:14.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, exactly, exactly. You know, it’s funny. I will say like there are, because virality is more, I would say virality is more common and feasible at this point the way that social media works. I think steroid use and performance enhancing drugs among everyday fitness professionals is getting crazier than it’s ever been before. Because there are comments on people’s posts of people who are legitimately like jacked and shredded and insanely, insanely good physiques naturally. And people are like do you even lift? Like you don’t even look like you lift. I’m like what the fuck? In what world do you think that person doesn’t look insane like in outrageous good shape? It’s crazy.

0:39:16.0 Mike Vacanti: I know Dylan in the mentorship, has mentioned that he has gotten comments like that before. Anytime I’ve ever seen him…

0:39:24.0 Jordan Syatt: He’s in insane good shape.

0:39:25.6 Mike Vacanti: I’m like I’m like look at the vascularity on his arms. Like he looks great, great. And the fact that I haven’t seen those comments ’cause I’ve only been on Instagram for three days, but I’ve heard him say that he’s gotten them like insane. And by the way, number 10 on my list here, fake natties.

0:39:40.2 Jordan Syatt: Yes. Oh, okay. Yeah. Let’s do it.

0:39:41.6 Mike Vacanti: Perfect. Perfect segue. No, I’m completely with you. The number of fitness influencers who are taking steroids, posting shirtless pictures, not telling their audience that they take steroids is at an all time high. And it was a lot of people in 2014. And so the fact that it’s continuing to increase and we throw in other other ways to grow or improve your physique, mostly via peptides. And a lot of these people who are taking peptides are a lot of the guys who are taking them are, peptides that help you build muscles, stay lean, etcetera, are also on a test base.

0:40:22.9 Jordan Syatt: Correct. And they say they’re not because it’s like a TRT like “Oh, it’s TRT. It’s not steroids.” It’s like it’s fucking steroids. You liar.

0:40:29.8 Mike Vacanti: You’re injecting testosterone at the age of 25 when you’re already like in really solid shape, but you want to make more money. And so you do this and you don’t disclose it to your audience. And by the way…

0:40:43.7 Jordan Syatt: Even if it’s 35, 45, 55, 65 like it’s still injecting testosterone, which is like that’s fine if that’s what you need. But you’re still taking steroids.

0:40:50.8 Mike Vacanti: I’m with you. Yeah. Yes. You are taking, you are technically taking steroids if you take TRT, no matter what your age is. What pisses me off though is not the 65-year-old or 55-year-old dude whose test is 200 and he gets it up to 650 or 700. What pisses me off is the 26-year-old whose test is 500, 600 while he’s partying like a maniac and not sleeping and working all the time. And then he gets it up to 1200, 1300, 1400, 1500 and does the shirtless pictures and does…

0:41:20.9 Jordan Syatt: Delts and traps come out of nowhere. Super lean.

0:41:23.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And all of this, I don’t even think it would hurt these dudes businesses. I see it mostly in guys, but obviously it happens with women too. I don’t even think it would hurt their business if they were transparent about, yeah, just be honest about it. It’s definitely an ego thing where, ’cause I’ve put myself in this position because I’ve considered taking stuff at a couple of times in my life. And one of the reasons is I know that if and when I just, I know if I ever take anything, I will disclose it publicly. If I haven’t made content for 10 years, I’m going to make a piece of content about this. I know there will be comments from people saying like oh, you look like this because you take steroids, which is going to piss me off. And so I understand the impulse to withhold that information and then rationalize why I still work hard. I train harder than I was when I was natural.

0:42:19.8 Mike Vacanti: My diet is more dialed than it’s ever been. Like those are really the reasons like no, it’s the 250 megs of tests that you’re injecting your butt every week. Like that’s what’s going on.

0:42:28.7 Jordan Syatt: But also a lot of these people who are injecting 250, 300 megs or even less per week, a lot of them are not living healthy lifestyles. They are eating like garbage. They are not training as hard and their physique still look really fucking good because of what they’re taking. So it’s like I understand why those comments would be there. I think a lot of the people who take them, not all of them, but I think a lot of the people who take them, they don’t realize how much help they’re getting from the drugs that they’re taking. I mean, and this is a very, this you’ll hear this all the time. You will hear this all… I’ll never forget the first time I heard this. I’m not going to say any names ’cause I have so many friends and colleagues who take them.

0:43:16.8 Mike Vacanti: And it’s an outrageous percentage of the fitness industry.

0:43:18.3 Jordan Syatt: It’s huge. This one guy that I was talking to one time, he basically, he goes, he was telling me why he was getting so much stronger. And he said, oh, and by the way, I’m on less drugs now than I’ve ever been in my life. And I just remember being like in my head ’cause I wasn’t going to say anything. This guy was like 300 pounds and shredded. And I was like you’re on less drugs now. So you’re still taking a lot, not to mention you’ve been on way more before. And you’re saying that it’s your programming that’s leading to these results. But I know, I mean, I’ve seen a lot of these guys who eat like shit, don’t train that hard. They are partying a lot, drinking a lot, and they still look fucking amazing. And I’m like and could they look even better if they’re, if they were more dieted? Yeah, for sure. They could look better, but to 99% of people looking at them like holy shit.

0:44:21.8 Jordan Syatt: And then you see their workouts and you see what they’re doing. And you’re like that’s wild. That is crazy that you look that good.

0:44:29.6 Mike Vacanti: Yep. Yep. Capped delts out of nowhere. Shoulder striations out of nowhere. Upper traps out of nowhere.

0:44:35.7 Jordan Syatt: Ab veins. Super lean. Like yeah. Yeah. And their performance is really good. It’s like it’s crazy.

0:44:43.5 Mike Vacanti: And part of the reason that I’m passionate about this topic specifically is because I was the naive person who believed so many people were natural for so many years. Like in my teens, into my 20s, into my mid 20s, it wasn’t until my late 20s and when I started to make more connections in the industry and get to know some of these people and then understand like oh, you actually do take stuff. Like you always said you didn’t take stuff. And there were one or two where I was, I was like hook, line, and sinker believed them and the level of disillusionment when I realized, oh, you’re actually on a lot of steroids. And like you’ve made videos about steroids that say I would never take steroids. Not only are you on them, but you’re on a lot of them. It like yeah. So that level of deception and dishonesty just really rubs me the wrong way because I’ve been on the other end of that and like bought the programs and you know.

0:45:50.6 Jordan Syatt: I think most people in the world look at the fitness industry in the same way that most children look at Santa Claus. Like most children at a young age legitimately believe Santa Claus is real. And most people, including adults, 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, look at people with insane physiques on social media and think, oh, that’s just natural. Like they don’t know they actually legitimately believe. I look at Liver King’s comments who has come out and it’s been exposed that he was spending $12,000 to $15,000 a month on his drugs and people in the comments to this day who haven’t been, who haven’t seen that he’s been exposed are like Hey like I wonder, is this guy taking any steroids? Like and people are like absolutely not.

0:46:47.3 Jordan Syatt: There’s no way he says he hasn’t. And then people get… Like it came out, he apologized for it, dah, dah, dah. But it’s like that physique. People aren’t sure if it’s natural or not, which is crazy.

0:47:00.7 Mike Vacanti: That if you, so Derek from More Plates, More Dates dropped the email that Liver King sent him before Liver King started making content about whatever steroids he was taking, whatever ones he wanted to take, asking him questions. And then like you said, Liver King came out and apologized for lying about being natural. But that physique is so far down the line of unnatural. Like the fact that people think a lot of people think that that is natural just shows like the natty cap is so far away from that. Like there is so much room between peak natty physique and Liver King.

0:47:45.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yes.

0:47:46.0 Mike Vacanti: Like an insane amount of, yeah, which just shows you how many people who are on really solid amounts of gear claiming natty posting all kinds of shirtless workouts and pictures, etcetera.

0:47:58.7 Jordan Syatt: And I, we also, and it goes, it should go without saying, but a lot of women too. And this also, I also think it doesn’t just go for injectables. It also goes for surgeries and like to have changes to your body, whether it’s a butt changes or whatever the fuck that I think. And I think both men and women do that. I think men are more likely to inject and women are more likely to have procedures done to change their physique. And it happens all the time.

0:48:34.3 Mike Vacanti: And it’s a free country.

0:48:38.1 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, go for it.

0:48:38.2 Mike Vacanti: Like do what you want to do with your body. You know, if you were, if we were having a one-on-one conversation, that probably wouldn’t be my advice, but at a high level, yeah, do what you want, but don’t post like revealing pictures or revealing workout pictures and say, my workout plan is how I look like this without revealing all the procedures and then a buy my program on the backend. That’s where it gets swarmy and unethical.

0:49:07.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, yeah.

0:49:08.9 Mike Vacanti: But yeah, you make a great point. Procedures, BBLs. I don’t even know what all tummy tucks, all kinds of stuff.

0:49:14.9 Jordan Syatt: That was one of your most recent pieces of content from like six years ago about BBLs. You just were like “I’m going to go on and fucking lose it over BBL.” I remember that. That was a really good video.

0:49:24.0 Mike Vacanti: I’ll never forget. And I’m such an idiot at business because I didn’t adjust anything as a result of it. But I remember within a couple of days, that video had double the, and this is where virality was harder. That video on Instagram had twice as many views as followers that I had, which had never happened to me. This was early 2017, I want to say. Everything I’d ever done was pretty limited to my audience, which is more how social media was at the time, but seeing how many views it got outside, I was like whoa, that’s kind of crazy. I mean, just didn’t follow up with any kind of similar strategy.

0:50:04.9 Jordan Syatt: Whoa. Cool. All right.

0:50:05.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Interesting.

0:50:07.0 Jordan Syatt: Moving on.

0:50:08.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Okay. We have a new, a brand new concept. Do you remember, I’m thinking of random TV shows, I’m thinking of cliffhangers. There’s something to the preview of next week. They used to do this in TV shows that weren’t binge-able because we didn’t have Netflix, but it played on TV. And then at the end of the episode, there was scenes for next week to excite people for the next week. So we are going to combine that concept with the idea that as an I, as an introvert, I like having time to chew on a concept, to have a question, to meditate on it during my workout, to make up a conversation in my head where I’m arguing both sides of it, to think of what my position is, and then to steel man the opposing position and really like beat an idea to death and then talk about it rather than just talking about it, which is your method or something you’re very good at. It’s a compliment. We’re going to start picking the next week’s questions during the current podcast.

0:51:28.3 Jordan Syatt: I hate this. I’m not neutral about it. I really don’t like it.

0:51:31.4 Mike Vacanti: Okay. All right. Cool. That’s okay. We’re going to test it. I’m J-ing this one hard ’cause I am excited. Excited.

0:51:40.2 Jordan Syatt: So now part of the podcast is planning?

0:51:42.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, but then we don’t have to do the work in the next episode. It’s delayed gratification. We’re essentially eating a sweet potato and a chicken breast that was overcooked intentionally to wear out your jaw so you wouldn’t want to eat that much, which is a great 2011 dieting strategy if anyone’s interested. That’s what we’re doing in terms of content as opposed to just eating marshmallows.

0:52:08.9 Jordan Syatt: That was a great 2011 strategy. People were like oh, this is genius.

0:52:11.9 Mike Vacanti: Bro. It was within the first year or two where I was a big Martin Berkhan fan and I’ll never forget fasting until noon. And once noon hit, I had those three chicken breasts cooked, 90 grams of protein overcooked with Buffalo sauce like no barbecue, no ketchup. I didn’t want those extra carbs. Just these sauces and my jaw was so fatigued by the end of that meal. [laughter]

0:52:39.7 Mike Vacanti: Thank you very much for listening. Next week on the How to Become a Personal Trainer podcast, we have some very exciting topics we’re going to cover, including what motivates you to prioritize fitness or healthy eating when you want to give up, tips on getting so sore that you’re unable to work out for multiple days. We have a woman who asked a question. She said she is trying to train like a man to build muscle because she’s struggling to build muscle, so she’s been bench pressing every single day.

0:53:08.3 Mike Vacanti: Is that a good idea? And someone who asked their latest body scan says they’re losing muscle and fat. How do you minimize muscle loss while losing body fat? In addition to the many other great subjects we’re going to be talking about. Thanks for listening. We appreciate you. Jordan, you got anything?

0:53:25.8 Jordan Syatt: That’s it. Mike’s got a big, big announcement on the next episode as well, so make sure you tune in for that.

0:53:31.7 Mike Vacanti: Oh, that’s right. I almost forgot. Good memory.

0:53:33.8 Jordan Syatt: We appreciate you. We love you. Have a wonderful week. We’ll talk to you soon.

0:53:36.9 Mike Vacanti: Bye.