Episode 206: You Are What You Eat, Bogus Email List Tactics, Lasting Behavior Change, and More…

0:00:12.1 Mike Vacanti: Hello, Jordan.

0:00:12.2 Jordan Syatt: Ho, ho, ho. Merry Christmas, Michael.

0:00:18.5 Mike Vacanti: Jordan’s been practicing his Santa Claus accent.

0:00:20.3 Jordan Syatt: Ho, ho, ho.. How… Were you naughty or nice this year, Michael?

0:00:26.7 Mike Vacanti: I think I was all right. That’s a pretty good accent.

0:00:28.6 Jordan Syatt: Maybe. I’m Santa.

0:00:29.4 Mike Vacanti: Santa’s not [REDACTED], Jordan.

0:00:31.4 Jordan Syatt: Whoa, whoa.

0:00:31.7 Mike Vacanti: Just, sorry.

0:00:33.7 Jordan Syatt: Whoa. Geez.

0:00:34.6 Mike Vacanti: If you have kids in the car, you know what? David, bleep that out actually. Let’s bleep that out.

0:00:38.2 Jordan Syatt: What were you… Yeah. Geesh. Oh my gosh.

0:00:46.4 Mike Vacanti: Have you seen the Trump video where he’s like talking to a kid on the phone? He’s like, “oh, you’re seven. Do you still believe in Santa Claus? ‘Cause it’s seven, it’s marginal, right?”

0:00:57.3 Jordan Syatt: He said that?

0:00:58.7 Mike Vacanti: Mm-hmm.

0:01:00.4 Jordan Syatt: To a 7-year-old? He said at seven, it’s marginal.

0:01:04.5 Mike Vacanti: I believe so, yeah.

0:01:07.9 Jordan Syatt: ‘Cause at seven it’s marginal. No, I have not seen that. Is that recent?

0:01:12.5 Mike Vacanti: No. It’s an old clip.

0:01:12.9 Donald Trump: Are you still a believer in Santa? Because at seven it’s marginal, right?

0:01:19.3 Jordan Syatt: That’s so funny. No, no. I did see a clip where there were… He was speaking and there was a group of people who were like, “we’re gays and we’re for Trump. We’re gays for Trump.” And Trump was like, “wait, where are the gays for Trump?” And he raised their hand and he looks at them and he goes, “you don’t look gay!”

0:01:46.2 Mike Vacanti: He definitely has comedic like tendencies and like is naturally funny.

0:01:52.6 Jordan Syatt: Whether he tries to or not. It was funny. Anyway, how was your Christmas?

0:01:57.0 Mike Vacanti: It was great, bro. We got… Hey. First episode of the new year.

0:02:02.2 Jordan Syatt: This is the first episode?

0:02:03.6 Mike Vacanti: We got in 51 last year. Yep. Yep.

0:02:06.8 Jordan Syatt: We were planning on 52, but that was my fault.

0:02:10.8 Mike Vacanti: Nah, a holiday week. It happens. It happens. We did 51 the year before, taking a little, the last one off, and then 51 again in 2024, taking the last one off. Not bad.

0:02:19.1 Jordan Syatt: Not bad. Not bad if you ask me.

0:02:21.7 Mike Vacanti: If your employer says, “Hey, I want you to work 51 weeks this year,” that’s a pretty solid year of work.

0:02:27.3 Jordan Syatt: Agreed.

0:02:28.3 Mike Vacanti: Even if it’s just one hour, once a week.

0:02:30.2 Jordan Syatt: One hour a week. Yeah.

0:02:34.6 Mike Vacanti: A real hard job. No. I had a good Christmas.

0:02:37.3 Jordan Syatt: Well, no, the week before the last week, then you do like an hour and 40 though.

0:02:41.1 Mike Vacanti: That’s true. We did have that 1-hour, 25-minute episode.

0:02:45.7 Jordan Syatt: What… Alright. So tell me about your Christmas. What’d you do?

0:02:46.3 Mike Vacanti: Well, remember when you asked me about my Christmas traditions a week or two ago?

0:02:49.2 Jordan Syatt: No.

0:02:49.7 Mike Vacanti: And I realized that, I don’t know, my long-term memory might not be what it used to be, but now that it’s…

0:02:55.8 Jordan Syatt: Did I ask and you got upset? You’re like, “I don’t know!”

0:03:00.0 Mike Vacanti: No, I just… I couldn’t remember that many of them.

0:03:00.5 Jordan Syatt: Oh, okay.

0:03:00.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. I don’t get upset like that, Jordan. That’s not… That’s not my MO. That’s actually something I’ve noticed. You know how we talk about fear and anger and I’ve had spurts of high anger and you’ve had spurts of high anger, but your fear is generally high and I have no fear. I realize that I have historically had sadness at times, which I feel like is an emotion that you have less of.

0:03:24.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I don’t really have much sadness.

0:03:27.2 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yeah. Like things that could potentially create sadness tend to create anger for you.

0:03:33.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Or fear. Yeah. The sadness leads to… It’s like, “why am I gonna dwell in this sadness? Let me just jump straight ahead to like what that actually means.” Fear or anger. Yeah.

0:03:44.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. “Why am I gonna dwell in this fear? Why don’t I jump to what this actually means?”

0:03:48.1 Jordan Syatt: No. Why am I gonna dwell on the sadness? Like… It’s like… Yeah.

0:03:49.2 Mike Vacanti: I’m talking about me.

0:03:50.8 Jordan Syatt: Oh, for you.

0:03:51.6 Mike Vacanti: Am I gonna dwell in this fear?

0:03:52.9 Jordan Syatt: So then you just go to sadness?

0:03:53.8 Mike Vacanti: No. Sadness would be before fear.

0:03:57.6 Jordan Syatt: What do you get sad about?

0:03:57.8 Mike Vacanti: We don’t have to get into details, but just historically, like going back to childhood.

0:04:00.6 Jordan Syatt: Oh, oh, oh. Got it. Got it. Okay.

0:04:05.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Sadness was… It was something that struck me as true. I was like, oh, yeah. Like I could relate to you on the fear difference more, understanding your lack of sadness and where I would lean into that for motivation at times in my life.

0:04:21.0 Jordan Syatt: Did your sadness influence your music choices as a kid?

0:04:26.3 Mike Vacanti: You know what? That’s a great chicken or the egg problem right there. Probably. But then it’s like a spiral because one feeds into the other.

0:04:36.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. You listen to…

0:04:37.4 Mike Vacanti: Listen, I’m sad. I’m gonna listen to some emo music in the 7th grade.

0:04:40.8 Jordan Syatt: Yellowcard.

0:04:42.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Bro, Life Of A Salesman was my alarm in like 6th and 7th grade. I had the little boombox thing above my bed. This is pre-internet phones, all of this. And my old school alarm clock would go off and immediately, so I didn’t fall back asleep, I would just reach up and hit play and turn the volume to max and it would just blast on my speakers.

0:05:05.0 Jordan Syatt: That’s amazing. Your parents must have loved that.

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0:05:11.6 Mike Vacanti: I was in the basement, so it was much less… I think they liked me waking up on my own more than having to wake me up and fall back asleep.

0:05:20.5 Jordan Syatt: That’s a real ’90s way to wake up. In the basement. Yellow Card blasting out of the boom box above your head. I like that. Yeah.

0:05:29.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Maybe it wasn’t 6th or 7th grade. Maybe it was 9th or 10th grade, because I think Ocean Avenue came out in 2000 or 2001. Anyway, my Christmas was good. We played some outdoor hockey yesterday on Christmas Day.

0:05:47.3 Jordan Syatt: Nice.

0:05:47.4 Mike Vacanti: Played some…

0:05:47.6 Jordan Syatt: On skates?

0:05:48.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:05:50.0 Jordan Syatt: Oh, that’s sick. I don’t know if you were just playing foot hockey. Who did you play with?

0:05:55.8 Mike Vacanti: My sisters and my brother-in-law.

0:05:57.7 Jordan Syatt: Oh, did your sisters… Like are your sisters good skaters? Can they play hockey?

0:06:00.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Two of them played.

0:06:01.1 Jordan Syatt: Oh, that’s awesome. That’s really cool. I didn’t know that.

0:06:03.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. So got out there and…

0:06:05.5 Jordan Syatt: Did your dad play?

0:06:06.3 Mike Vacanti: He didn’t skate. He’s been having some ankle issues as of late from…

0:06:10.5 Jordan Syatt: Pickleball.

0:06:12.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. From all the pickleball. He was out there in his boots for a little bit, but just, no. And then we actually played with the people who were at the rink. So had a little game.

0:06:24.2 Jordan Syatt: That’s awesome.

0:06:26.0 Mike Vacanti: Played some cards afterwards. Played some dice games. Yeah, it was good. How was your first day of Hanukkah?

0:06:30.2 Jordan Syatt: First day of Hanukkah man, it was good. My mom’s here. My brother was here. Brother went over the top getting gifts for his nieces. Just really like he brought a lot of gifts, which I wasn’t expecting. It was funny. I was talking to my wife. I was like, ’cause we didn’t talk for like 10 years, my brother and I. And then only recently did we really reconnect. But even the reconnection, it’s not like we’re like calling each other all the time and hanging out. It’s like once a year, twice a year we’ll see each other and talk about my mom. But like, it’s good, but it’s not like we’re buddy buddy. And I never would’ve expected him to bring like 12 gifts for each girl. I just like that… I was like, I don’t think I know him very well. Like I just don’t… I don’t know. I just… Like that was so outside… Like if you’d like given me any number of guesses as to what he was gonna do, I never would’ve expected that. It was very sweet. And the girl, like especially my oldest one, just loves him. Just like, so it was really nice.

0:07:32.5 Mike Vacanti: That’s awesome. That’s a strong uncle move, Lee. Well done.

0:07:36.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yeah. And then he left and found a 24/7 game of poker.

0:07:40.2 Mike Vacanti: Nice.

0:07:42.7 Jordan Syatt: And he… I was like, I don’t know you at all. He was like, yeah, they have poker games everywhere. Like there are just… There are games that just play nonstop 24/7. And he just went and found one near the airport.

0:07:55.8 Mike Vacanti: A card room. Not a private room.

0:07:57.5 Jordan Syatt: I don’t know. Apparently like you can pay a membership. I was asking him all about it. Like he paid a day pass and you go in and you just, you pay for your time. And so he paid for two hours and…

0:08:10.2 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Instead of taking a rake on each hand, a lot of these card clubs, you’ll pay hourly to play rather than on a per hand basis. Yeah. And it’s legal and safe. And it’s like going to a casino. It’s like, I’m gonna go play slots or blackjack except that you’re playing against other players rather than against the house. So you can actually win money in the long term in poker.

0:08:33.9 Jordan Syatt: He was saying he got some people mad at him because like he said, obviously there’s a lot of math involved, but he doesn’t play with like that level and like, he’s not like really that mathematics. So there were some hands that he won where when he had to show his hand that people were like, what the fuck? Why did you play that hand? And like, they got really mad at him.

0:08:53.2 Mike Vacanti: I mean, that’s just terrible etiquette and like low emotional control by those individuals because you want people who are playing incorrectly. Even if they win in the short run, they’re gonna lose in the long run. And it’s just, you should be nice to the people you’re playing with.

0:09:08.5 Jordan Syatt: I asked him, I was like, have you seen the movie Rounders. My brother’s a huge movie guy. And he was like, no, I haven’t. I was like, dude, if you like poker, you gotta see Rounders. Like please. You have to. I told him how you made me watch it and it’s just… It’s an amazing movie.

0:09:19.2 Mike Vacanti: You watched it?

0:09:20.6 Jordan Syatt: You and I… I told you I watched it. Yeah. It’s an… You and I, we spoke about it. It’s an amazing movie. Wow. You’re having a me moment right now. You’re forgetting that we spoke about this. You made me watch it and I…

0:09:32.3 Mike Vacanti: I know I made you watch it, but usually when I make you do something…

0:09:36.0 Jordan Syatt: I don’t do it.

0:09:37.3 Mike Vacanti: It takes a…

0:09:38.2 Jordan Syatt: It takes a while. But I did it. I did it. And I also did the meditation the other day, by the way. Haven’t done it today.

0:09:44.1 Mike Vacanti: That’s on the list. That’s on our list. Don’t spoil anything.

0:09:44.5 Jordan Syatt: You know what I think the…

0:09:45.9 Mike Vacanti: Wait. So what did you think of Rounders?

0:09:48.0 Jordan Syatt: The music at the closing scene. The song is an amazing song. You know what I’m talking about?

0:09:55.2 Mike Vacanti: I do.

0:09:55.9 Jordan Syatt: The song that comes up…

0:09:57.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. He gets in the cab. He’s going to Vegas.

0:09:58.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Gets in the… Yes. It’s an amazing song.

0:10:02.4 Mike Vacanti: The whole soundtrack is good. The whole movie score. Wait. So when did you watch it?

0:10:08.2 Jordan Syatt: It’s gotta be close to a year ago at this point.

0:10:11.6 Mike Vacanti: In year… Oh yeah. I think we did talk about this.

0:10:13.7 Jordan Syatt: I think we spoke about it on the podcast.

0:10:16.8 Mike Vacanti: Because I was always so confused why they used the word kike so casually. And I remember asking you, I was like, what… Is kike a bad word? And you were like, yes. It’s a very bad word.

0:10:23.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. It’s a horrible… It’s a really bad word.

0:10:25.1 Mike Vacanti: I was like wow. Like Worm, I mean, I guess that’s his character.

0:10:28.3 Jordan Syatt: It’s like a Jewish equivalent of the N word. Yeah. Yeah.

0:10:30.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. And then the professor plays a good role.

0:10:38.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean it’s a real classic ’90s movie. It’s like, I don’t know if it’s in the ’90s when they made it. It’s a classic movie, that they don’t make those types of movies anymore.

0:10:46.8 Mike Vacanti: No. Good. I’m glad. Well, Lee should watch Rounders because it’s phenomenal.

0:10:52.8 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:10:54.5 Mike Vacanti: Bombed in the box office or didn’t do well at all. And then later developed an absolute cult following.

0:11:00.6 Jordan Syatt: Oh, interesting.

0:11:00.7 Mike Vacanti: And probably was the biggest component or maybe the second biggest component in the poker boom of the early 2000s.

0:11:11.2 Jordan Syatt: Oh, interesting.

0:11:11.3 Mike Vacanti: Chris Moneymaker winning the 2003 World Series of Poker Main Event, who was like a casual, you know, non-pro to win, and ESPN was televising it with whole cards. You could actually see their cards plus the momentum of Rounders in the late ’90s into the early 2000s.

0:11:27.4 Jordan Syatt: I used to watch that on ESPN, just like casually watch… Not because I knew what was going on, but it was a… They did a great job televising it. You could see the cards. They had the camera underneath the cards, like it was really cool.

0:11:39.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. They built up characters too. Did like off table interviews. They did a really good job.

0:11:45.6 Jordan Syatt: Anything… Anything good or anything notable happened over Christmas?

0:11:49.2 Mike Vacanti: You know, went over to my parents on Christmas Eve. Went to church on Christmas Eve in the afternoon. Had a nice dinner with the whole family was there. Opened presents. Watched part of It’s A Wonderful Life, but got too late. We all slept over there. Woke up Christmas morning. Did a little bit more presents with my little nephews.

0:12:15.9 Jordan Syatt: What’s your favorite present that you got your nephew, your oldest nephew?

0:12:21.2 Mike Vacanti: We didn’t go huge. We didn’t go huge with it. Just like, you know, a little toy, little clothes, like, yeah.

0:12:28.7 Jordan Syatt: Cool.

0:12:30.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. There’s… From everything I’ve heard, and now I have a few godchildren, like depending on the number of kids I guess that a family has, what I’ve heard from all these parents is we have way too many toys.

0:12:46.1 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Correct.

0:12:46.4 Mike Vacanti: Like, please don’t buy five toys. It’s completely… And you know, it’s the classic. He’s opening presents and you get a present from grandma and grandpa and like each aunt and uncle, but three presents in, he’s way more fascinated with like the box that one of the presents came in. He’s putting that on his head and running around the room. It’s…

0:13:06.6 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. It’s exactly right.

0:13:08.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. But yeah, man. Really good Christmas and excited for 2025.

0:13:17.7 Jordan Syatt: How’s your nutrition over Christmas?

0:13:20.1 Mike Vacanti: It’s never good. It’s never good over Christmas. So much good stuff.

0:13:22.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah? Do you have any cookies? What’d you eat?

0:13:25.8 Mike Vacanti: Chinese food. Really greasy. Really oily.

0:13:29.5 Jordan Syatt: Like General Gau’s chicken?

0:13:31.3 Mike Vacanti: No, that’s a joke because you ate Chinese food.

0:13:33.7 Jordan Syatt: I didn’t know if… They didn’t know that because they weren’t part of that conversation before we did the podcast.

0:13:39.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. But it’s kind of… I… Okay. They didn’t… Okay. They might have assumed.

0:13:47.3 Jordan Syatt: I had Chinese food.

0:13:47.5 Mike Vacanti: They might have assumed. They might have assumed, right? That’s like…

0:13:49.4 Jordan Syatt: I had Chinese food. The Jewish thing is you have Chinese food.

0:13:52.3 Mike Vacanti: I thought we talked about that a couple podcasts ago.

0:13:55.1 Jordan Syatt: I think we did. Yeah. Yeah, I think we did.

0:13:58.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yeah, it was good. We had a ham on Christmas Day.

0:14:03.6 Jordan Syatt: Oh, interesting.

0:14:04.8 Mike Vacanti: Or Christmas Eve. Pulled pork on Christmas Day.

0:14:06.0 Jordan Syatt: Oh, nice.

0:14:07.0 Mike Vacanti: A rigatoni Christmas Eve. Yeah. And then there’s just a lot of stuff out, like nuts and…

0:14:13.3 Jordan Syatt: Cookies.

0:14:13.5 Mike Vacanti: Cheeses, and yeah, Christmas cookies and all kinds of good stuff. That’s…

0:14:18.4 Jordan Syatt: Love that.

0:14:19.8 Mike Vacanti: That’s probably the time…

0:14:19.9 Jordan Syatt: Did you drink alcohol?

0:14:20.1 Mike Vacanti: No. That’s probably the time of year that I indulge the most for like the longest amount of time. It’s cold outside. You’re not doing a lot. There’s access to really good stuff for extended periods of time.

0:14:37.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Nice.

0:14:39.1 Mike Vacanti: How about you? Did you eat a lot?

0:14:40.6 Jordan Syatt: No. We had sufganiyot yesterday. So like, there’s this Israeli bakery near us, and they’re these like donuts, but they’re ridiculously good. They’re like big balls and they’re filled with either chocolate or jelly or cream. And then they fry them again. So it’s like crispy on the outside, super doughy on the inside. So I had one of those.

0:15:04.0 Mike Vacanti: I told you donuts were underrated.

0:15:05.4 Jordan Syatt: This is different. You’ve never had a donut like this. This is a…

0:15:08.0 Mike Vacanti: I’ve had sufganiyot.

0:15:10.9 Jordan Syatt: You’ve never had sufganiyot.

0:15:12.8 Mike Vacanti: What do I look like? They’re big balls and you deep fry them and there’s…

0:15:19.7 Jordan Syatt: That’s it, man.

0:15:19.8 Mike Vacanti: It sounds tasty.

0:15:22.5 Jordan Syatt: Do you have any New Year’s resolutions?

0:15:24.5 Mike Vacanti: If I did, I wouldn’t share them publicly.

0:15:27.1 Jordan Syatt: Got it.

0:15:28.1 Mike Vacanti: How about you?

0:15:29.3 Jordan Syatt: If I did, I wouldn’t share ’em publicly either.

0:15:29.4 Mike Vacanti: You told me. You already told me. I said I was gonna do more of the same in 2025. You told me that you were gonna go to your daughter’s school on Fridays.

0:15:37.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I started doing that, which has been good.

0:15:40.1 Mike Vacanti: Oh. You took the why start on January 1st when you could start on December 6th mindset?

0:15:45.3 Jordan Syatt: It was more of a push from my wife. She was like you gotta change this. So I changed it.

0:15:51.3 Mike Vacanti: It wasn’t the aggressive social media post of start now. It was the…

0:15:56.7 Jordan Syatt: No, it was, my wife is really tired of me having this outrageously long workday on Fridays, so I’m gonna switch it to Wednesdays and then that opens up Friday.

0:16:05.7 Mike Vacanti: You’re a good dude. You’re a good husband.

0:16:09.9 Jordan Syatt: I try.

0:16:10.0 Mike Vacanti: For most of human history, the husbands were just gone.

0:16:15.6 Jordan Syatt: Not taking a four day work… Not doing a four day work week. That’s for sure.

0:16:20.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yeah. And even like the work from home when you can like be more involved in helping and it’s definitely a big change from the majority of human history.

0:16:31.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. That’s for sure.

0:16:32.0 Mike Vacanti: And we’re also… We have unconventional jobs, so…

0:16:37.3 Jordan Syatt: Correct, correct.

0:16:37.4 Mike Vacanti: Most 9 to 5s. Although COVID leading to so much work from home and like never fully going back into the office. I bet there’s a big uptick from 2019 even now into 2025 of work from home or even like hybrid type schedules for corporate America jobs.

0:16:53.1 Jordan Syatt: You know what’s so funny? I remember… I feel like it hasn’t been that long. Part of me feels like it’s been a long time. Part of me feels like it hasn’t been a long time since we started doing this online coaching stuff, 2011, 2012. But I remember 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, you tell someone you do online coaching and the blank stares and the just like the, what are you talking about was just… I wouldn’t tell people, ’cause I was just like, I don’t wanna have to go into this whole explanation, dah, dah, dah. Now it’s, I haven’t had anyone second guess me. I haven’t had anyone do a double take. Like in the past, I don’t know, four years or so, it’s really… You know, it’s really since COVID is what it… I think like so much moved online since COVID where people just like, oh, got it, okay. But with Instagram, TikTok and applications, it’s no one and anyone, whether it’s someone who’s helping me fix my tire, someone who… Like someone who is just completely out of this industry overall, you say I do online fitness coaching and it’s just immediately accepted now. Which is the complete opposite of what it was 6, 7, 8 years ago.

0:18:10.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. And definitely 12 years ago.

0:18:13.6 Jordan Syatt: Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. People would be like, are you sure you wanna do this? Like, are you sure? Are you sure? It’s so funny. People would be like, are you sure? Like, what’s your… What’s your real plan? And now they’re like… Now they’re like that’s really smart of you. That was super smart of you. It’s so interesting how that’s changed.

0:18:36.6 Mike Vacanti: That’s human nature.

0:18:37.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:18:38.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. But I, obviously COVID played a big role in that and having to be home and so many things that you normally would have done in person were, had to be online. I still…

0:18:46.8 Jordan Syatt: COVID really accelerated this shift to online. Like, I think it would have come anyway, but it just accelerated it by like 50 years.

0:19:00.7 Mike Vacanti: Interesting. It definitely accelerated it. I, do you think in 50 years we’ll be more online than we are right now?

0:19:08.7 Jordan Syatt: Dude, I can’t even imagine what 50 years is gonna look like. I, because things are changing so fast, especially with AI, like the stuff that I’m seeing with AI is so crazy.

0:19:21.6 Mike Vacanti: Do you think in 10 to 15 years we’ll be more online than we are right now?

0:19:24.4 Jordan Syatt: What do you mean by more online?

0:19:25.6 Mike Vacanti: More time in the digital world relative to the real world.

0:19:31.6 Jordan Syatt: Like, do you mean like working from home type thing or just how people are interacting?

0:19:37.3 Mike Vacanti: I mean how you’re spending your time. So if you are scrolling for entertainment, that’s online. If you are doing a zoom call with a client, that’s online. If you are at the playground with your daughter, that’s in person. If you are sitting in the backyard and like things are happening, but you’re also scrolling, that’s online. If you’re…

0:19:54.7 Jordan Syatt: I think we’re gonna be more online.

0:19:58.6 Mike Vacanti: Really?

0:19:58.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. And I think it’s gonna feel less like it doesn’t like right now, right now we’re very, we’re acutely aware that we’re online ’cause it’s in our hand and we’re, holding it up and we have to put it down, but they’ve already started to shift that with these goggles that you put on and you can just walk around online while you’re actually out in public. And I feel like it’s only gonna get “better, better, better” more efficient, less bulky, less cumbersome. And I we have these big goggles now. I think soon that will be like in a museum like, look, this was the first iteration of, of this stuff. And then it’s like, just gonna be either like a, like a…

0:20:39.3 Mike Vacanti: Contact.

0:20:39.4 Jordan Syatt: Contact lens or they literally will have surgeries where it’s just like zinc. You just put it in and as you can always have it on whenever you want. So it will literally be like scrolling and online will just be all the time.

0:20:54.0 Mike Vacanti: That’s a prediction that I’ve seen. I think, I don’t know if it’s 10 years, 15 years or when, but I think we peak. I think that the mental health crisis in the West is directly correlated with time online. And I think that a world where we plug ourselves in permanently makes us far worse mentally, maybe more efficient.

0:21:14.8 Jordan Syatt: I agree with that.

0:21:17.9 Mike Vacanti: Maybe more productive. Who knows if like the balance between doing something that’s dopaminergic and addictive but bad for you. Like, who knows if we as a species will choose the thing that’s better for us versus the thing that makes us feel better in the long run. But my guess is we’re less online in 20 years than we are right now. Or maybe it becomes a luxury to be more offline. I don’t know.

0:21:48.0 Jordan Syatt: I think that’s gonna be it. I think it’s gonna be the rich, wealthy people can spend less time online, but the more like the hourly, the people who are living paycheck to paycheck or the people who aren’t as fortunate with, from a money perspective, I think it’s gonna be a luxury. It used to be the luxury to have a computer. It used to be the luxury to have technology soon. It will be the luxury to not have technology and to not like constantly…

0:22:14.7 Mike Vacanti: Or to not use it as much.

0:22:18.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. And especially as long as we live in a society that is just like money, money, money, right. And as long as there’s money to be made, then people will always be wanting to find the more efficient, and the way to do it from home. And that that’s gonna just, I think it’s gonna lead to much more online usage.

0:22:45.6 Mike Vacanti: Interesting. The wealthiest people I know spend the most time online.

0:22:50.8 Jordan Syatt: I think the wealthiest people who also work the hardest, but the wealthiest people I know…

0:22:50.9 Mike Vacanti: The wealth… I know it’s not pop… I know it’s not popular to say publicly on the internet, but the wealthiest people generally work the hardest.

0:23:00.9 Jordan Syatt: Well, there are, I think there’s a difference between the people who are the wealthiest and also work the hardest versus the people who got super, super wealthy and then retired and called it. So for example, one in the fitness industry who I know not like super, super well, but I’ve communicated with him a fair amount is Dr. John Berardi from Precision Nutrition, built up Precision Nutrition, sold it for just an unbelievable amount. And then he stays at home and he homeschools his kids and he coaches his kids and like, like super, super wealthy and very successful. And from what it looks like, he doesn’t really spend much time at all online.

0:23:42.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. That’s, I think he’s the exception, not the rule.

0:23:46.2 Jordan Syatt: I don’t know. I think there’s probably a good mix. I, the definitive factor is like hard work to get to become successful for sure. You have to, you have to work really, really hard. I think the question is how long do you stay in it?

0:24:05.4 Mike Vacanti: And this is so funny because I was literally thinking about this this morning. The quote of something to the effect of you’re an idiot if you never try to make money, but you’re also an idiot if you never stop The journey of always trying to make money. And like, I think you have a really good mental framework with having a net worth target ’cause you wanna hit it because you wanna spend more time doing other things as well. Family and you know, other things basically. I think most people who work really hard, work really hard. And when I say work really hard, I mean, workaholics, let’s say people who are working really hard to accumulate as much money as possible aren’t even doing it for the money. They’re doing it for the game that they’re playing and end up doing it until they tip over.

0:24:48.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I sort of think about it. Like I think about it like my deadlift. I think my deadlift was the first practical example of, all right, I’ve got this number that I wanna hit. I wanna hit four times my body weight, 530 on 32 Once I hit that, ’cause you know, you’ve talked about, you’ve spoken about hedonic adaptation. It’s just, it’s never enough. It’s never enough. Like there was in my mind or it’s like, cool. I mean, I hit four times. I could go to 4.5. It could go to five times, but it was just like, for like, what’s the point? Right. So I hit four times, bar down, done. That’s where I think about it in terms of net worth that is like, I’ve got this number. Like once I hit that number, I think I’m good. And then I can not do like, I can, I can do things from a more leisurely perspective. Spend more, if that makes sense. I don’t know if that makes sense.

0:25:35.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, that definitely makes sense. Again, I think exception, not rule.

0:25:38.1 Jordan Syatt: Correct. Yeah, I agree. I agree. Yeah.

0:25:41.0 Mike Vacanti: But maybe not. Maybe not. We’ll see. How did how did your one minute meditation go?

0:25:50.3 Jordan Syatt: It was good. It was good.

0:25:52.4 Mike Vacanti: Did you like it?

0:25:54.9 Jordan Syatt: I did. Did I like it? Did I like it? So I think the backstory is you’ve been trying to get me to meditate and I, we probably spoke about my backstory about my native…

0:26:06.0 Mike Vacanti: Well, not even what was remind me what was happening. What was it? A memory discussion we were having. Yeah. Yeah. It was. You had just said something, right?

0:26:25.9 Jordan Syatt: I don’t, I don’t know where you’re going with this.

0:26:28.7 Mike Vacanti: This, you had, your brother had asked you a question. Like, how’s your podcast?

0:26:33.4 Jordan Syatt: Oh yeah. Oh yeah. My brother said, are you still doing the podcast? And apparently I said no, but I didn’t even remember that he asked me the question. So then later on I was like, yeah I’m doing the podcast and he was like, what are you talking about? Like you told me 20 minutes ago that you don’t do your podcast anymore. And I was like, you didn’t ask me that. And I never said that. My wife turned out, She was like, you did say that. And I was wondering why you said that. ‘Cause you work really hard in your podcast. I literally didn’t even remember that he asked me a question, which tells me I probably wasn’t really listening, but yeah.

0:27:00.2 Mike Vacanti: And so I was thinking from the perspective of developing more presence, more prefrontal cortex strength and activation, you should try mindfulness meditation. Very different than, and by the yeah, it’s not like a woo wooy thing. There’s actually a ton of research around how you can increase the amount of prefrontal cortical matter in your brain through mindfulness meditation, which increases your willpower. That book, we started reading the Willpower Instinct, talked about it.

0:27:31.3 Jordan Syatt: And a rabbi I was listening to is talking about it as well.

0:27:34.9 Mike Vacanti: That’s right. Yeah.

0:27:35.9 Jordan Syatt: And then I started talking about, you’re like, you do, I’ve been telling you about this for a long time. I was like, all right, let’s do it.

0:27:41.0 Mike Vacanti: And so there’s a guided one minute meditation on YouTube or whatever. And you did it.

0:27:45.8 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I sat outside my backyard, just the fresh air, the breeze on me just went for one minute. It was good. I tried to pay attention to what it felt like to have my breath filling up my lungs to feel the wind on my skin. If I was having any thoughts, like I would recognize it and then I would know, hold on, go back to what it feels like to fill my lungs up. And then I’d be like, all right, I wonder how much longer is in this minute. Oh, wait, hold on. Let’s go back to the breathing and feeling the nature, hearing the birds, like all this stuff. And so it was good. Like, I felt, listen, I felt good. I think the rabbi I was listening to, he was like, you will slowly, slowly make progress. This takes time. This is not a quick process. And so I did it once. I did it once. It was yesterday, the day before. So I’ve got keep doing it.

0:28:36.1 Mike Vacanti: Are you gonna keep doing it?

0:28:40.5 Jordan Syatt: Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I’m gonna keep doing it.

0:28:43.2 Mike Vacanti: What’s your?

0:28:46.1 Jordan Syatt: Probably not every day, but like several times a week for right now.

0:28:49.1 Mike Vacanti: Nice. And do that same video a few times a week?

0:28:53.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. It’s not even, they don’t have any, they’re not saying breathe in, breathe out. It’s literally just music with, and then I just sit down and close my eyes.

0:28:58.1 Mike Vacanti: I like it.

0:28:58.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Do you meditate every day?

0:29:04.6 Mike Vacanti: No.

0:29:04.7 Jordan Syatt: No?

0:29:04.9 Mike Vacanti: I haven’t meditated in a long time.

0:29:08.3 Jordan Syatt: Oh.

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0:29:08.4 Mike Vacanti: But bro, our screen time is very different.

0:29:12.1 Jordan Syatt: Is it?

0:29:17.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, it is. What do you mean, is it?

0:29:18.3 Jordan Syatt: I don’t know what your screen time is like.

0:29:22.9 Mike Vacanti: I think we can go back. I always go back to like sitting and looking out the airplane window for 45 minutes, which I did on my flight to New York a couple of weeks back.

0:29:29.4 Jordan Syatt: Stop. Are you serious?

0:29:33.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. I finished the episode of Yellowstone and had like…

0:29:38.1 Jordan Syatt: OK, so you watched TV… Oh.

0:29:39.0 Mike Vacanti: Forty five minutes left in my flight. And I was like, I don’t feel like listening to a podcast. I definitely don’t wanna be scrolling. I’m just gonna set my phone down and just like looking out the window.

0:29:49.3 Jordan Syatt: Did you talk to anybody?

0:29:50.2 Mike Vacanti: No. No, absolutely not. And that’s the fundamental difference is your constant seeking of stimulation for better or worse, right? Like and so I would definitely benefit from some mindfulness meditation. And I should and I will bring it into my life. But I know for a fact you would really benefit. And then layered with, and I really liked what that rabbi was saying, by the way, because what he was talking about was change. And he was talking about you can, you can change your soul. Basically, you can change your identity. You can change what’s on the inside. Or I guess, and, or you can change your actions. And if you only change your actions, but, and by the way, you told me this, so I’m paraphrasing it back. It’d probably be better if you said it, but my understanding was, he said, you can change your actions without changing on the inside, but then you’re white knuckling it. And it’s really hard to continue to, with those changed, better actions. But when you do have the, the internal transformation of your soul, that’s more lasting change that, that makes the changing of the actions more sustainable.

0:31:08.2 Mike Vacanti: You’re gonna, your actions, it’s not gonna feel like white knuckling. You’re gonna want to have those better actions more often because of the internal change.

0:31:21.3 Jordan Syatt: He had a really good bit. It’s like an hour and a half, almost two hour thing I’ve been listening to. He has this whole thing. He was talking about how guilt, you feel guilt over what you’ve done, and you feel shame over who you think you are. He’s like, that’s the difference between those two is like guilt is what you feel guilty for. You’ve done shame over who you think you are, who you identify as. And he was like, if you wanna change, you start with your actions. He’s like that you start with, with the actions that you take. And a lot of people, they feel they’re like, well, what’s the point? Because I have these internal desires, or I have these like thoughts that you can’t always necessarily control. And then they feel shame around that. And so then they, because of that shame. They won’t take action. He’s like, listen, if you there’s a word like the the word in Hebrew for like a super, super righteous individual, like, just like a perfect person, which you don’t really come by, is tzadik.

0:32:33.6 Jordan Syatt: It’s like person like who not only has perfect actions, but also like perfect insights. They don’t have bad thoughts. They don’t have that. It’s just like all perfect, which like doesn’t exist. Like that would be tzadik. And, well, potentially. And he’s like…

0:32:49.0 Mike Vacanti: Some believe that exists. I’ll bet.

0:32:51.8 Jordan Syatt: He’s like, if you look at tzadik, how does tzadik change the world? How does a really great person change the world, a great person changes the world through their actions. It’s not because of their insides, they it comes from their actions. And if tzadik doesn’t have great action, then they don’t change the world. And so it’s like, it has to start with your action, regardless of what’s going on the insides. And then he goes into, but you also wanna change your insides. Because if you’re not, if you’re just always trying to change your behavior without also changing what’s going on the inside, then you’re gonna white knuckle it, then you’re gonna, it’s a real struggle. Like how long can you really just just grit through if you don’t change your insides.

0:33:33.3 Jordan Syatt: And he was talking about how there’s two ways to do it. He’s like, there’s the quick way. And there’s the long way. And he’s like, what’s interesting is the long way is through meditation. And he’s like, it’s, it’s very simple. It’s easy to say we meditate. The quick way, it’s actually a much longer discussion takes a lot. And it made me think about rapid fat loss for sustainable fat loss. Sustainable fat loss is very easy, like in terms of you explain it. The explanation for sustainable fat loss is very, very easy. It’s pretty quick. The rapid fat loss explanation takes a lot more nuance and a lot more time. And it’s a much longer discussion. He’s like this for the, for the longer term change. It’s meditation is what will allow you to change what’s going on in your insides. And there was more to it than that. It’s not just as simple as saying meditation, but that’s what I was like, alright, so I wanna start exploring that a little bit becoming more present and focused. I thought he had a good way of explaining it.

0:34:30.0 Mike Vacanti: That’s awesome. And so you’re going to do more of the meditation?

0:34:35.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:34:36.0 Mike Vacanti: ‘Cause I feel like you already do a lot with your actions, but you’re, you’re then also gonna loop in more of the sustainable fat loss as well.

0:34:45.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, gotta, gotta improve the insides too.

0:34:47.5 Mike Vacanti: And by the way, we all do.

0:34:49.5 Jordan Syatt: Unless they’re tzadik. Yeah, everyone does. Everyone has to improve their actions and their, their insides.

0:35:04.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, dude, I told you about this. What, who is teaching these people to randomly add you to their email list?

0:35:10.7 Jordan Syatt: Oh, my God.

0:35:17.4 Mike Vacanti: What is the guru mastermind that says, just put emails of people on your list, even though they didn’t sign up?

0:35:17.5 Jordan Syatt: I don’t know.

0:35:20.6 Mike Vacanti: Why is this happening?

0:35:22.1 Jordan Syatt: The same people who are telling people to cold DM everybody. And I don’t know, it doesn’t make sense either. From like, number one, just from a decency perspective, but also, for every subscriber you have, you have to pay for them. And if you’re putting on someone like they’re putting on people who are not gonna buy, like people have put you on their list who you’re definitely not buying their product. So they’re paying to have you on there for no reason. You’re costing them money.

0:35:51.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. That’s a good explanation from a logical business perspective as to why you shouldn’t do it from like a I don’t know being a decent human and like not being a born head perspective. Why, And I know these individuals. I would call them like looser quittances ’cause it’s happened multiple times where they add me to their email list, and then I search email history, I’ve never gotten an email before. All of a sudden, I start getting emails from this person. Maybe I give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe there’s something going on with email service providers where it’s getting messed up.

0:36:29.5 Mike Vacanti: It’s roping in everyone who you’ve ever talked to. Maybe it’s a corrupt email service provider. I don’t know. I could reach out to the individual, be like, hey, why’d you add me here? But very strange. And it happened enough times, both with loose acquaintances. And also, it happened with a couple of really big, this is why I think there could be something weird with email service providers. It happened to me twice with really big names outside of the fitness space.

0:36:56.2 Jordan Syatt: Oh, really?

0:36:56.7 Mike Vacanti: Where I had been on their email list for a year or two, unsubscribed, received nothing for one to three years. And then they started just…

0:37:03.6 Jordan Syatt: Oh, that I can explain.

0:37:03.6 Mike Vacanti: Cold pick back up.

0:37:06.0 Jordan Syatt: That one, I can explain. If you were on the email previously and then you unsubscribed, You can email those unsubscribes, so they can email you. Like, they’re literally like, I didn’t realize this until, it’s not recent. I realized that like a year or two ago. I found out that on some email service providers, you can send an email just to people who’ve unsubscribed from your list, which is crazy because that should mean that you can’t email them because they’ve unsubscribed. But there are literally options that allow, and, someone that I know said, Hey, you should run a campaign to anyone who’s unsubscribed from your list.

0:37:50.6 Mike Vacanti: So this has become a strategy?

0:37:50.7 Jordan Syatt: And I was like, why would I do that? I was like, they unsubscribed. That’s just gonna really piss them off. And they were like, yeah, but you have those emails. I was like, but at the very least, they unsubscribed with a neutral feeling. Why am I gonna email them if they, it would be like, if you’re getting calls from a scammer or whatever and you block the number, or you tell the company, don’t call here again, and then they call again the next day. It’s like, I fuck… I’m even more mad now because I told you not to call. So I would, if it’s the people who you’ve already been on the list, that makes sense. ’cause that’s the strategy. But if it’s people who you’ve never been on the list before, that’s, I think they’re, I don’t think that’s, an issue with the service provider. I think they’re just be like, oh, let’s put Mike on my list.

0:38:39.7 Mike Vacanti: I’m gonna build my email list up.

0:38:41.2 Jordan Syatt: I’m gonna, I want, I think it’s more of like, I they want more followers. They wanna be able to say, this is how many email subscribers I have. It’s like, and if you’re adding people individually that’s, don’t do that.

0:38:52.2 Mike Vacanti: Man, we can bleep this out, but do you know who did the strategy of emailing unsubscribers?

0:38:58.8 Jordan Syatt: Who?

0:38:59.2 Mike Vacanti: [REDACTED]

0:30:00.6 Jordan Syatt: Shut up.

0:39:01.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Just picked right back… And not like a, “Hey, you unsubscribed this long ago. I have these new things coming, but if you wanna get back on the list, you can here.” Just cold picked right back up.

0:39:11.8 Jordan Syatt: Oh, geez. That’s not good.

0:39:13.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Wild. Something that you said you were gonna bring back. You are what you eat. [laughter] Are you still gonna bring it back?

0:39:27.8 Jordan Syatt: Did I say I was bringing it back?

0:39:29.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. And then, and you might have been saying it slightly joking, but then I doubled down and was like, yeah.

0:39:37.8 Jordan Syatt: Oh yeah. I did say…

0:39:37.9 Mike Vacanti: I was like, yeah, it’s true. I was like, it’s true. You are. And you were like, no, people would get really upset if you said that in this day and age. And I couldn’t understand it. And then I started listing examples. I was like, if you eat a calorie surplus of pizza for a year, like you become a calorie surplus of pizza. That’s, it’s literally the law of thermodynamics.

0:39:58.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I just remember being in seventh grade home ec and there being a poster on the wall of, and the poster said, you are what you eat in big, bold letters. And there’s a picture of essentially a kid who was eating a cheeseburger and the kid was also a cheeseburger. [laughter] it’s hard.

0:40:25.8 Mike Vacanti: He had like a cheeseburger costume on, or was it Like.

0:40:27.7 Jordan Syatt: No, I don’t know how they did it. It was like early 2000s editing, like for early 2000s Photoshop. But like, he actually looked like a cheeseburger. Like somehow they made him, like, he had the eyes and you could clearly see the kid’s face in the cheeseburger, but he was also a cheeseburger and like his mouth was opening up to eat more Cheeseburger.

0:40:50.6 Mike Vacanti: I like that actually, that’s funny. I thought what you were gonna say was they had a kid with a cheeseburger who was like a very overweight kid that would…

0:41:00.1 Jordan Syatt: Oh, no.

0:41:00.7 Mike Vacanti: I wouldn’t have liked that as a poster, but…

0:41:01.7 Jordan Syatt: I’ve always wondered about that in movies. Like movies where like, clearly the description for the actor that they need for this role is, all right, we need someone who’s overweight does like, that can’t feel good for the, you know what I mean?

0:41:16.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, yeah.

0:41:17.1 Jordan Syatt: But I also, if it’s a successful movie, then they’re getting paid a lot.

0:41:20.4 Mike Vacanti: Capitalism. Yeah. They’re applying for roles that they fit the part of. But yeah, you thought that people, and I think it’s a small percentage of people, by the way, I think we have hit peak outrage. Right, Peak…

0:41:38.1 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. We’re going down now, thank God.

0:41:38.8 Mike Vacanti: Peak outrage and, we’re on the way down. But you…

0:41:41.1 Jordan Syatt: When was Peak? What was the peak? What year was peak?

0:41:43.6 Mike Vacanti: Great question. I don’t know that I can be objective. I think it had to be the summer of 2020. Like that was wild.

0:41:58.9 Jordan Syatt: You think that was peak. Yeah. That was crazy.

0:42:04.7 Mike Vacanti: I mean Just…

0:42:04.8 Jordan Syatt: But also like, ’cause it, I feel like it almost continued.

0:42:07.9 Mike Vacanti: It did. It did.

0:42:10.6 Jordan Syatt: It almost carried into ’21, I feel like.

0:42:13.1 Mike Vacanti: It did, the summer of 2020. It definitely did. I don’t know, somewhere in there I think is peak outrage. But even though we’re on the way back down, there would still be people who are like, you are not what you eat. You are a human being and it doesn’t make you a bad person. And it’s like, well, we never said you were a bad person, but…

0:42:31.6 Jordan Syatt: You’re just a cheeseburger.

0:42:34.1 Mike Vacanti: It’s, there’s humor to it. We need to bring, let’s make humor great again. Actually.

0:42:40.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Agreed.

0:42:41.4 Mike Vacanti: Because we know that if you eat, you know, whole on processed foods, fruits, vegetables, lean protein, like if you eat in reasonable quantities, you are what you do would be a good thing too. If you sit and play video games all day, you are sitting video game. Yeah. And if you, you know, are doing an hour of activity a day, you are that. Like this is kind of funny. This is 80% funny and I think 20% metaphysically True. And it doesn’t say anything about…

0:43:16.2 Jordan Syatt: Your character. Oh, there you go…

0:43:21.1 Mike Vacanti: But it does, and maybe this is where it gets dicey and unpopular and, but it does. It does. And and we can still have sympathy for the reasons that the person is in that position who knows what they have gone through to put them in that mental and physical and spiritual state. But can you look me in the eye and say someone who chooses to do the hard thing, you know, they love donuts and hate broccoli, but they eat more broccoli than donuts. They don’t like working out, but they get their butt to the gym three days a week and they do their strength training and they’re pretty consistently doing this for years on end. Like that absolutely speaks highly of their character. No.

0:44:05.4 Jordan Syatt: Correct. I think that absolutely speaks highly of the person’s character who is doing that. The question becomes, does it speak negatively of someone’s character if they’re not doing that? And I don’t know if I can say.

0:44:24.1 Mike Vacanti: Hard to make a blanket statement.

0:44:24.2 Jordan Syatt: You can’t just say like, you can absolutely say it speaks positively of that person’s character that they do that. But then there’s also the other question. That person could be going to the gym eating really well, da da, and they can also be a piece of shit. Right?

0:44:40.9 Mike Vacanti: 100%.

0:44:41.0 Jordan Syatt: That person can also…

0:44:43.2 Mike Vacanti: We’re looking at those habits in a vacuum. Yes. They could be a murderer, they could be a rapist.

0:44:46.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Correct, yeah, yeah.

0:44:46.3 Mike Vacanti: They could be doing awful things.

0:44:46.5 Jordan Syatt: Correct.

0:44:46.5 Mike Vacanti: Absolutely.

0:44:47.6 Jordan Syatt: And there could be someone who’s not doing that stuff, who’s just tzadik, right. Who’s just like an amazing person as well. So we’re looking at that in a vacuum. But from the vacuum perspective, there’s no question that the person who’s doing that, I don’t even know what to say other than like, the person who’s doing that is at the very least prioritizing their health. But we can’t look at it in a vacuum, I guess is what I’m trying to say.

0:45:14.4 Mike Vacanti: Of course we can. Of course we can. It’s a fun thought experiment. If you have two people…

0:45:17.8 Jordan Syatt: Oh, thought experiment. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:45:22.0 Mike Vacanti: But yeah, so of course there are more important things about character than whether or not you exercise. Like no one’s saying that. But just the, in our conversation we had when the quote you are what you eat, you know, you notified me that that would upset people. That just…

0:45:38.5 Jordan Syatt: Oh yeah.

0:45:40.3 Mike Vacanti: That blew my mind. Like, we need to, if that’s true, and people, I guess people get upset about everything on the internet, but if they really would be upset by that, then we’re not far away from peak outrage enough. We need to continue to get further away from peak outrage.

0:45:55.5 Jordan Syatt: I bet that if I tweeted You are what you eat, and then posted that on my Instagram, I’d lose like 50,000 followers.

0:46:05.8 Mike Vacanti: No way.

0:46:06.4 Jordan Syatt: I bet I would.

0:46:10.1 Mike Vacanti: No way.

0:46:11.1 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That comment section would be insane.

0:46:13.5 Mike Vacanti: I don’t believe you would lose 50,000 followers.

0:46:16.3 Jordan Syatt: Well, we’re not gonna test it out.

0:46:18.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. I’m not, I don’t want you to, But…

0:46:27.2 Jordan Syatt: Do you wanna try it on Yours?

0:46:28.6 Mike Vacanti: I’m so done making content, brother.

0:46:32.0 Jordan Syatt: How about this? How about you give me the password and login to your Instagram and I’ll post it.

0:46:36.6 Mike Vacanti: Let’s Post it from both of ours and see which does better. There’s also something to be said about audience, right? If David Goggins tweeted you are what you eat.

0:46:50.1 Jordan Syatt: Oh yeah. He would get great response.

0:46:50.6 Mike Vacanti: Maybe he’s a bad example.

0:46:51.7 Jordan Syatt: His audience Would love that.

0:46:52.8 Mike Vacanti: If like even like Sal or Adam or Justin said that, I think they would get less of a negative response maybe than you would get.

0:47:02.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I think it’s because that statement lacks nuance. It just does. And it’s like, so when you build your platform on nuance and then all of a sudden you strip it away.

0:47:19.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It would be, yeah. But I don’t think that gets you 50k if that gets you 50K unfollows, then.

0:47:28.3 Jordan Syatt: I think that’s putting it on the low end.

0:47:29.7 Mike Vacanti: No, No shot. No shot.

0:47:33.5 Jordan Syatt: The only way it wouldn’t lead to that is, if Instagram just didn’t let that many people see it.

0:47:39.4 Mike Vacanti: Well, If it’s getting the number of comments you’re telling me it’s getting Instagram would Want people to see it.

0:47:45.3 Jordan Syatt: It’d go nuts. It’d go nuts. And I’d get a lot of fitness professionals resharing and being like, this guy, is the worst.

0:47:51.5 Mike Vacanti: He’s disgusting.

0:47:51.9 Jordan Syatt: Disgusting. What a horrible thing to say.

0:47:56.2 Mike Vacanti: I’m excited for you to…

0:48:02.5 Jordan Syatt: To what?

0:48:03.7 Mike Vacanti: I’m excited for you to hit your goal.

0:48:06.6 Jordan Syatt: We’ll see, I might not, man. We’ll see. Markets are ripping.

0:48:13.9 Mike Vacanti: I Haven’t really been checking for the last week.

0:48:15.8 Jordan Syatt: Markets are ripping, grocery prices are through the fucking roof though. I spent $100 on like four items the other day. I was like, what the hell? What is this?

0:48:24.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Prices are outrageous. Which is so sad for non-asset holders because you know, with massive stock market gains and price increases, asset holders get the benefit of The increase in asset values. But…

0:48:42.5 Jordan Syatt: What’s your thoughts on crypto right now? Should people be getting into crypto?

0:48:46.8 Mike Vacanti: What’s my thoughts on crypto? I am not a crypto expert.

0:48:54.6 Jordan Syatt: But Yeah.

0:48:56.0 Mike Vacanti: No.

0:48:56.4 Jordan Syatt: Just what are your thoughts though?

0:48:57.0 Mike Vacanti: No, I don’t think that people should be getting into crypto right now. Unless you already know a lot about it. You’re very passionate about it. You have like, well thought out thesis, theses, thesis, I don’t know.

0:49:07.0 Jordan Syatt: Theses.

0:49:10.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. I would not.

0:49:10.4 Jordan Syatt: I think.

0:49:12.3 Mike Vacanti: You know, I dollar cost averaged into Bitcoin.

0:49:17.1 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, you did.

0:49:18.3 Mike Vacanti: For a while.

0:49:19.2 Jordan Syatt: For a long time you’d be like, yeah, just bought a little bit. Just a little bit. Just a little bit. You would do that like every day or every week.

0:49:25.3 Mike Vacanti: But that my thesis on Bitcoin was a hedge against fiat currency and, similar to gold, but with way more hype around it. I had maybe a couple years of buying small, very small amounts of Bitcoin pretty frequently.

0:49:45.9 Jordan Syatt: And a couple years of small amounts leads to, you know.

0:49:51.9 Mike Vacanti: It’s not that much Bitcoin, but it’s a hedge against, you know what if it does go to a million a coin In 15 years. And USD is super weak. But the thing is, I think if Bitcoin goes to a million a year, I think that.

0:50:07.4 Jordan Syatt: USD.

0:50:08.5 Mike Vacanti: The S&P has also skyrocketed. I think real estate has skyrocketed. Like that would be some kind of mass inflation, which is just an argument not to keep a super high percentage of net worth in cash.

0:50:19.8 Jordan Syatt: For 2025 online personal trainers, What would your, let’s say 2025 online personal trainers, people who have a little bit of expendable income, they’ve got a little bit of expendable income. Could be 200 a month, could be 1000 a month. What do you recommend they do with that extra money? Where do they put it for the long term wealth? Not for short term, not for where should they put this 200 a month to 500 a month to 1000 a month? Where should that be going and what should they do with it?

0:50:58.6 Mike Vacanti: The markets are so hot right now, but you also can’t predict markets. I guess gun to my head, dollar cost average into a Vanguard fund that mirrors the S&P, VTI is one ticker that I like.

0:51:15.4 Jordan Syatt: I think you are just massively overestimating what people understand. I don’t think most people know what the fuck you just said.

0:51:25.1 Mike Vacanti: Well, They should listen to more episodes ’cause we’ve brought this lexicon in before, I would buy an ETF, which is a group of stocks. And the reason I suggested a Vanguard ETF is they have a very low fee, potentially the lowest fee of all ETFs. And the reason I’m not that bullish or excited about the market is because the stock market is, because it’s up so much in the last, I don’t know, 18 to 24 months. I mean, four plus years really like bottomed out in March of 2020 and has been ripping, I guess there was some downturns in ’21 or maybe ’22. But, here’s what I’ll say more important than what that person does with the 200 to 800, is that they are making decisions that allows them to continue to save, to continue to build, even if it’s just excess cash that you have in a high yield savings account or in treasury bills that’s getting 4% interest. That’s even more important than where exactly they’re investing that money, whether it’s in real estate or whether it’s in the stock market, or whether it’s in Bitcoin.

0:52:55.6 Mike Vacanti: The problem, I think the mistake I think more people are making is being, reckless might not be the right word, but being careless with their budgeting. And just spending everything they make. So not saving at all is, I think, a way bigger problem and way more common problem than the people who are doing a good job of trying to minimize expenses as they earn. So they are setting aside a little bit every month, but then putting it in the “wrong investment.”

0:53:33.2 Jordan Syatt: That makes sense. That makes sense. So most people in the world are just, they get their money and they spend it, get their money, spend it, get their money, spend it.

0:53:40.4 Mike Vacanti: That’s my understanding. And it’s also…

0:53:43.5 Jordan Syatt: But We’re gonna assume that people listening to this are being a little bit more careful with their money. And so for those people who are a little bit more careful and they just wanna maximize their ability to build wealth, to feel safe in economic downturns in order to, by the time they get to 60 whatever it is, they have enough, they’ve built up a significant amount of money to be able to support them and their families, grandkids, whatever you’d recommend ETF.

0:54:19.5 Mike Vacanti: I Guess the advice there, it’s, and, you know, I know Dave Ramsey has like a specific plan. He might even have free advice that is on this subject. And so I would go with that over what I’m saying. But something to the effect of, set aside some amount of cash in a high yield savings account, somewhere between 10 grand and 25 grand. And then once that is set aside yes. Begin buying small amounts of ETFs once a month, we’ll call it. And, not even considering selling for many decades.

0:54:56.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Love that.

0:54:58.5 Mike Vacanti: That’s what you’ve been doing.

0:54:58.6 Jordan Syatt: That’s what I’ve been doing.

0:54:58.7 Mike Vacanti: For years now.

0:55:01.1 Jordan Syatt: For years under your tutelage. That’s it.

0:55:04.0 Mike Vacanti: Are you gonna post ‘you are what you eat’?

0:55:06.1 Jordan Syatt: No, I’m not gonna post that.

0:55:08.0 Mike Vacanti: What if, ’cause you use Twitter as a testing ground. What if you tweeted it and it got an unbelievably positive response?

0:55:14.5 Jordan Syatt: You know, what I would do is if I was gonna post that, I would post it with like real nuance and I would be like, let’s, like for the first slide would be, you are what you eat. And then, and I’d probably put like an arrow and say like you are what you eat. And with an arrow to point, slide to the next slide. And I’d post that. And then the next slide would be like, let’s talk about what this actually means. And then go into like the discussion around how what you eat can influence who you are and who you become. And also the other side of it, how it’s like that’s not all you are and all you become, So.

0:56:03.0 Mike Vacanti: It’s almost sad that you have to say that ’cause that should be inferred.

0:56:05.8 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:56:07.2 Mike Vacanti: Like there’s great nuance you can add to it, but the fact that you would have to add, and by the way, you’re not only what you eat, there’s other aspects to who you are. It’s like the fact that you need to say that to not, to prevent outrage is so wild.

0:56:21.0 Jordan Syatt: I think that’s why…

0:56:21.1 Mike Vacanti: People need to get off the internet. People need to break their phone and go get a Nokia. And not if you’re making content for your business, but if you’re just consuming, recklessly scrolling, that’s 2025 down there.

0:56:35.3 Jordan Syatt: I think it’s… I wonder if I could ever really get into standup comedy, ’cause I would like to, but I think I’m so aware, I’m like hyper aware of how sensitive people get and how like, if you don’t give every ounce of nuance, then people are gonna lose their absolute shit, that it would be really difficult for me to get up on stage and make a joke that is designed to be a joke. It’s designed to get a response. That’s what standup comedy is. Like, it’s designed to get a response. I don’t know if I could do it.

0:57:05.8 Mike Vacanti: I think you could if you leaned into knowing that getting that response, and a lot of the response being negative actually is success in the standup comedy world.

0:57:17.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:57:18.4 Mike Vacanti: ‘Cause if you think of some of the guys, we like Ryan Long, or Schulz or…

0:57:22.4 Jordan Syatt: Andrew Schulz. Yeah.

0:57:23.7 Mike Vacanti: Like they know what they’re saying is gonna produce a negative response by some people, but they also know that it’s that what they’re trying to do is say it in the funniest possible way.

0:57:34.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Dave Chappelle.

0:57:35.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. So many of the greats. Yeah. But just, I’m thinking of people who are more in the social media. Like people were less outraged during the Chappelle show in the early 2000s, or back when Eddie Murphy was like the pinnacle of comedy.

0:57:52.3 Jordan Syatt: Oh man. The king. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Richard Pryor. Yeah.

0:57:58.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. We’re just more sensitive now as a society and we’re hanging out in places where everyone is giving their feedback and that feedback is public.

0:58:07.4 Jordan Syatt: You know what’s really interesting is obviously, this, I… Like with everything, there are pros and cons and I think this, it’s a great pro to be very inclusionary. It’s very good, like very inclusionary. Like think of everyone and all their needs and all that. I think the downside of that has been now, anytime anything is said or done, now we’re like, but it creates this cycle of, okay, but who did that offend? Why was that not okay? So this inclusionary mindset has gone to an extreme of, well, now we can’t say anything that offends anybody. It’s like, but some… I think especially when it comes to comedy, it’s like comedy’s supposed to be offensive. Like comedy, like you’re making fun of something or someone, and that something or someone has a group of people who like it or enjoy it and it’s… That’s comedy. Like comedy’s supposed to be offensive. There’s a great line in the office where where they’re telling Michael that he can’t… He was like, what? I’m not allowed to tell jokes anymore? And the guy goes, I think it was Toby. He was like, well, not offensive jokes. And he’s like, all jokes are offensive, that’s why it’s a joke.

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0:59:31.3 Jordan Syatt: It’s just, there is always offensive to somebody, which I think for the people who are, who don’t ever want to hurt anyone’s feelings, it’s really difficult to be okay with that. But ironically, when they get mad at the person who made the joke, they’re willing to risk hurting that person’s feelings, which it’s just… It is very interesting.

0:59:52.8 Mike Vacanti: But because the content creator has so much experience with dealing with the feedback that the person who’s replying, who’s not a consistent creator doesn’t have the practice of put something out, get feedback. Oh, interesting. Put something out, so I’d get feedback. It shapes your message. They’re just raging onto their iPhone in a comment.

1:00:13.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

1:00:14.8 Mike Vacanti: What you just said reminds me of that tweet that you liked so much where this is what social media is like. It’s like I say I like oranges, and then the reply is like…

1:00:27.0 Jordan Syatt: Oh, so you’re saying mangoes and bananas are shit?

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1:00:29.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yes. It’s so accurate.

1:00:36.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

1:00:38.1 Mike Vacanti: And I really do think that it comes from consistently creating and getting feedback in this environment, because when I see this, the stuff that people say who aren’t ever creating publicly and don’t have a personal brand, but might just get active replying on Twitter, maybe friends of mine, I’m like, Wow, what…

1:01:04.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Sometimes I’ll get comments from people, oftentimes coaches who don’t make, like, they put coach in their name or their handle, but they don’t make content. There’s a coach, which is wonderful. But then they’ll be like, this was a terrible piece of content. You didn’t explain it all. And I say it, my reply is, if you can make this content better in this timeframe, I’ll share it on my page and I’ll tell everyone to follow you and just, but you have to submit it to me. And no one… No, it is like, it’s one thing to get really riled up about content. It’s another thing to actually get your feet wet and do it. Which for whatever it’s worth. I think a lot of coaches get really nervous about that. Oh, I don’t wanna make content. I don’t wanna get shit on. I don’t wanna get people mad. Like that’s a horrible reason to not do it because even though you will get hate on, and the bigger you get, the more hate you’ll get. The amount of people who appreciate it and who benefit from it. It’s so worth it. It’s so, so, so worth it.

1:02:03.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Negative feedback is a cost of entry.

1:02:05.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Do you have any negative feedback that you got when you were really creating content that stands out in your mind? Is there any like one comment or one message that you got that…

1:02:14.3 Mike Vacanti: Dude, what stands out most to me when I was making content were how do I put this charitably? Were the people who were always gassing me up. You’re amazing. You’re the best. You’re so good.

1:02:37.8 Jordan Syatt: You’re a good person.

1:02:37.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Like, well, I feel like I didn’t get that one as much. I feel like that one bothered me.

1:02:44.1 Jordan Syatt: You got that one a lot.

1:02:44.5 Mike Vacanti: You’re a good person?

1:02:45.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. People would say that all the time. You’re such a good person. You spoke about that before.

1:02:51.4 Mike Vacanti: Okay. I thought, I think that was you. But basically, I think believing, you gotta stay in the middle. Believing the positive is just as bad as believing the negative. And I would say I disliked having fans as like, I know it doesn’t sound great, or maybe sounds unappreciative, but as much as haters, especially if I was angry, because then you can just lean into hate and that’s gasoline. No, I feel like some like you are on steroids. YouTube comments stand out.

1:03:35.1 Jordan Syatt: Oh, yeah. But would that get you at angry or would that like, you do like that, ’cause…

1:03:41.2 Mike Vacanti: I kinda liked it, but I liked the first couples.

1:03:44.2 Jordan Syatt: You’re like, Yeah. I look like it.

1:03:47.7 Mike Vacanti: I liked the first couple, but then, and there weren’t that many. And I liked the first couple, but then I would get pissed.

1:03:53.3 Jordan Syatt: ‘Cause they’re trying to take away your hard work.

1:03:55.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. People who actually are on steroids don’t tell people they’re on steroids because they don’t like people taking away their hard work. It’s like…

1:04:07.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, that’s exactly right.

1:04:10.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, that’s a good question. Are there any negatives that stand out to you? I’m trying to think.

1:04:16.6 Jordan Syatt: Are you kidding me? I could write a book on all the negatives.

1:04:17.2 Mike Vacanti: No, I’m not trying to… I can think of some, but you asked like any that really bothered me.

1:04:26.5 Jordan Syatt: Any that really… I remember some of the steroid ones. No, there aren’t any in particular that I remember you being really upset about, but…

1:04:42.2 Mike Vacanti: No, I’m talking about you.

1:04:42.3 Jordan Syatt: Oh, oh, oh. I thought you were asking if I remember any about you.

1:04:46.2 Mike Vacanti: I gotcha. Yeah. I didn’t phrase that well.

1:04:50.0 Jordan Syatt: The things that bother me the most, it’s funny. Like fitness stuff doesn’t really bother me anymore.

1:05:00.2 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. I was gonna say it varies from like year to year.

1:05:03.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Like for example, I made a post the other day. It’s still shocking to me how many people actually believe that starvation mode is a thing. And that they actually believe that you can get fat from eating too little. And so I made a post about it the other day, and I do this… I used to do it a lot more. Now it’s just like, how many fucking times can I say it? But I made a post about it and dude, there were the number of coaches in there. Not… It was funny. The regular everyday people were like, yep, I’m not fat from eating too little, that’s for sure. Like, but the coaches who are in there who were like, you have no idea what you’re talking about. And they were just going off on like hormones and this and that. And I was like, you guys are selling a product and that’s your sale is like, you’re saying, oh, it’s… You’re only not losing weight because you’re eating too little. You join my program and then you get to eat more and you’ll lose weight.

1:05:56.3 Jordan Syatt: It’s like the number of coaches who got mad about that. But it’s funny because I don’t care. Fitness stuff doesn’t really bother me. You know what, it used to bother me when people would say Sumo deadlift is cheating. Or they’d be like, they would bother me like fitness stuff. Fitness stuff doesn’t really bother me anymore. Now it’s more ideology, more like human stuff. Obviously, current events, that type of stuff is really what gets to me more. People bringing my kids or my wife into it really sets me off. I’m pretty quick to block at this point, like with that.

1:06:38.0 Mike Vacanti: Oh, you don’t battle there?

1:06:39.9 Jordan Syatt: If I am gonna battle, I’ll say one thing to cut really deep. I’ll say one thing to cut really deep. And basically, it’s to the effect of like, they’ll say something about my kids or my wife and I’ll just be like, something to the effect of like, I can’t imagine what it must be like to send a message, not only hateful towards someone you don’t know, but to that person’s incredible, like wife and daughters. I couldn’t imagine the place that you must have to be in that you figure this is a good use of your time. I make sure that they see it and then I block, and that’s it.

1:07:17.3 Mike Vacanti: That’s not cut. That’s, I like that response, and it’s true.

1:07:20.1 Jordan Syatt: For me, that cut it is true. Like it cuts deep because now they have real personal reflection.

1:07:23.8 Mike Vacanti: When you said cut deep, I thought you looked at their profile and went after their biggest insecurity or something.

1:07:31.5 Jordan Syatt: No. No, no, no, no. That to me, that’s easy for them to brush off.

1:07:32.1 Mike Vacanti: It was just my opinion.

1:07:35.1 Jordan Syatt: They can brush that off. You can’t brush off.

1:07:39.0 Mike Vacanti: Interesting.

1:07:40.6 Jordan Syatt: Like, I really have to look at why the fuck did I just write that message?

1:07:44.6 Mike Vacanti: Which is true, by the way. Like that has to be the overwhelming majority of negativity online is coming from the fact that a person is in a bad place in their own life.

1:07:53.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. And there are some times where I’ve done it where some people will email me afterwards after I blocked them and be like, Hey, I’m really sorry.

1:08:00.5 Mike Vacanti: Just some reflection. Nice.

1:08:03.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Like you were right. I don’t know why I sent that. I had a really bad day. And then I’ll go unblock like, can you please unblock me? I really like your content. And I’ll do that. But like, I’m not gonna go ad hominem. That, that doesn’t… It never helps. It never does anything. Yeah.

1:08:13.5 Mike Vacanti: When you said cut, I don’t think that you do that, but the way you said cut deep, that’s what I interpreted. And then I remember this interaction. This guy handled it so well, but it was on a non-fitness page and this like giant juiced up bodybuilder made a comment, like a thoughtful comment, but disagreeing. It wasn’t bad or anything. And the creator replied to the post and was like, your left side’s bigger than your right side.

1:08:43.8 Jordan Syatt: Oh geez.

1:08:44.6 Mike Vacanti: Or something like that. And clearly, they went and looked at him and he’s got all these posing pictures and everything, but the guy replied really well. He did some laughy emojis. He’s like, cut to the bone even right after my biggest insecurity. Something funny and very self-aware.

1:09:05.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that. Yeah.

1:09:06.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. But yes, that’s a good place to just either one comment and block or just block right away.

1:09:14.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. If it’s about me, I don’t really care very much. If it’s about fitness at this point, I just don’t really care anymore.

1:09:22.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. It’s not part of your identity like it might’ve been in 2015.

1:09:25.6 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. And I mean there’s just… In 2015, I feel like the science-based industry was so small, and the space for bullshit was so big. And now it’s like you go to anyone pushing nonsense, and you go into the comments and people are calling them out everywhere. Everywhere, people are calling them out. It’s so funny. Even up until probably like 2020 or 2021, if you… It is funny. I’ve noticed if I made content, explaining what a calorie deficit is, it would almost always do really well ’cause it was like teaching people something. Now…

1:10:07.6 Mike Vacanti: Everyone knows.

1:10:08.3 Jordan Syatt: And I wouldn’t put calorie deficit in the headline of it or like, as the title of it or as the image. ’cause I was like, most people don’t know what that is, so I’m not gonna say that. Now, when I put like, how to make your calorie deficit easier, it does way better, ’cause people have that knowledge now. So the level, the base level of knowledge has leveled up way more than it was 10, seven, five years ago.

1:10:41.2 Mike Vacanti: On that note, we’re gonna wrap. We got a mentorship Q&A to get to right now. Great first episode of 2025. If you have not left us a five star review, Spotify, Apple wherever you listen to this podcast, we would really appreciate it.

1:10:53.7 Jordan Syatt: I think Amazon now has podcasts.

1:10:57.6 Mike Vacanti: Amazon. Anywhere and everywhere.

1:10:58.8 Jordan Syatt: SoundCloud, thank you. Wherever you are, leave a comment.

1:11:01.2 Mike Vacanti: Pinterest, Snapchat.

1:11:03.0 Jordan Syatt: Instagram, follow us on Instagram, YouTube, all that.

1:11:07.0 Mike Vacanti: That’s right.

1:11:08.0 Jordan Syatt: I’m getting more consistent in 2025, posting on that page.

1:11:13.6 Mike Vacanti: Let’s go. Let’s go baby.

1:11:14.9 Jordan Syatt: All right. Thank you for listening.

1:11:15.0 Mike Vacanti: Have a great start to this year. Get after it. Remember, you are what you eat and we’ll see you next week.

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1:11:22.9 Jordan Syatt: See ya.