Episode 210: Elon Drama, Food Regulations, Shadowbanning, Fitness Trackers, and More…

0:00:11.7 Mike Vacanti: Hello, Jordan.

0:00:12.4 Jordan Syatt: What’s up, Michael?

0:00:13.4 Mike Vacanti: I’m done scrolling forever.

0:00:15.6 Jordan Syatt: Wow. Wow.

0:00:17.1 Mike Vacanti: I quit. I quit, actually. And I know I’m framing this somewhat comedically, but eight years ago on the beach in Mexico in 2017, I just had this epiphany that I was done drinking alcohol, and I have drank 10 times max, since that day eight years ago. I’m done scrolling. Like, I have the same visceral feeling in my gut. I don’t know exactly how I’m going to avoid it since it’s so prevalent in our environment, but it’s the worst.

0:00:52.0 Jordan Syatt: Completely agree. So what, you think, like, 10 scrolls every eight years, or is this just like a completely done. You’re off. Never again.

0:01:03.8 Mike Vacanti: It doesn’t really… I don’t think that level of frequency makes sense. I’m gonna delete all the apps because I can’t really never be on every app.

0:01:15.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:01:17.2 Mike Vacanti: Checking on PT Pod Instagram. Feel like there’s a slight obligation to keep up with a little bit of Instagram. I’m gonna do that on my desktop, which is a big enough barrier to not have it with me 24/7.

0:01:30.2 Jordan Syatt: Smart. And it’s not fun scrolling on desktop. It’s a different experience.

0:01:33.5 Mike Vacanti: Good. I hope it’s the least fun thing ever. I’m gonna delete apps from my phone. Yeah, man. We live… And by the way, I don’t know if this epiphany is universal. I think that I am more affected, my brain is more affected, my behavior is more affected by impulsive pleasure and being in a dopamine deficit than the average person. Whether that’s genetic…

0:02:02.3 Jordan Syatt: You do?

0:02:02.5 Mike Vacanti: I do. Yeah, I do.

0:02:03.1 Jordan Syatt: Interesting.

0:02:04.7 Mike Vacanti: If I wake up and the first thing I do is scroll for an hour, I’m not doing any… Like, I can’t sit and respond to a comprehensive email.

0:02:14.8 Jordan Syatt: It affects you the rest of the day.

0:02:16.5 Mike Vacanti: It affects me the rest of the day.

0:02:18.3 Jordan Syatt: Got it.

0:02:19.3 Mike Vacanti: In a huge way. Whereas I see other people wake up, scroll for two hours, get out of bed, go work a desk job for nine straight hours and do actual good work.

0:02:29.0 Jordan Syatt: Do they do actual good work, or do they just, like, go and scroll at the desk job?

0:02:32.3 Mike Vacanti: No, I see it. I see it.

0:02:35.3 Jordan Syatt: Oh, wow.

0:02:36.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Which is awesome. I think that’s really cool. And just highlights strengths and weaknesses and differences in individuals.

0:02:44.3 Jordan Syatt: Gosh, I think that’s so cool.

0:02:46.3 Mike Vacanti: I wish I could. I actually do.

0:02:48.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

0:02:49.4 Mike Vacanti: Today was the first day in probably five years where the first thing I did this morning wasn’t reach for my phone, but the first thing I did when my alarm went off was… Well, I reached for my phone, turned my alarm off but I didn’t open it.

0:03:07.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:03:07.2 Mike Vacanti: I literally just got out of bed, walked downstairs, got the coffee going, sat there and looked at it instead of looking at my phone for five minutes while the coffee brewed, poured my coffee.

0:03:16.7 Jordan Syatt: You just looked at the coffee?

0:03:17.7 Mike Vacanti: I just stared at the coffee pot. I was like, I’m not looking at my stupid phone. I hate this thing.

0:03:21.6 Jordan Syatt: It’s real 1990s energy.

0:03:23.2 Mike Vacanti: That’s what I need.

0:03:24.1 Jordan Syatt: I love that.

0:03:24.8 Mike Vacanti: And then I went downstairs, and it was the first time in five years where I did all of my emails before I looked at my phone.

0:03:34.2 Jordan Syatt: Was there, like a pull? Did you feel like a pull to look at the phone or no?

0:03:37.8 Mike Vacanti: Of course.

0:03:38.0 Jordan Syatt: Oh, yeah. Okay. All right.

0:03:39.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, everyone does. But for me, that’s my most rested caffeine is hitting. That’s my best work time during the day. And so I would say it’s the easiest. It’s the least amount of pull. But it made me realize in every moment of discomfort, in every moment of boredom for years, my unconscious instinct is to reach for, even if it’s refresh mail on my phone, go on Instagram. If I don’t want to have the volume on, go on Twitter, read. Just like all of this mindless entertainment, like garbage for my brain. And I know if you’ve been listening to the podcast for a long time, this is probably the fifth iteration of this actual same conversation. But look, there’s so many… And I’m just gonna keep… I’m gonna keep monologuing this until Jordan finishes his food.

0:04:44.8 Jordan Syatt: No, dude, I’m gonna be eating the whole podcast. So listen.

0:04:47.3 Mike Vacanti: Okay, well, you’re doing it nice and quiet. I like it. Well done. There are so many forms of cheap dopamine and impulsive pleasure available to us in this current Western world that we live in. Video games, pornography. I mean, the foods that we eat, you can go there. Drugs, alcohol. Like, there are so many. I’m happy that those aren’t my vice to the degree that scrolling is. But this is like vertical video and Twitter on social media and the cheap, easy entertainment that comes with it and the dopamine deficit that it puts me in. And as a result, the worse version of me that I am has slowly eroded the quality of my life without me even knowing it. And I’m disgusted with myself as a result. And I’m done. And I wish I could go a moderation route. I wish it wasn’t like I’m cutting out sugar. I wish I could. Okay, just scroll a reasonable amount. I’ve tried scrolling a reasonable amount. I don’t scroll a reasonable amount. I scroll and I scroll and then when I can build some momentum around not reaching for my phone constantly having a book on me if I’m out and about going places, like having something less impulsively pleasurable, less easy to do, less negative on my brain.

0:06:13.7 Mike Vacanti: If I can do that for, let’s say a few weeks and then a couple of months, it becomes easier and I build more willpower and I get strong and like every area of my life gets better. But it’s so easy to go back to and yeah.

0:06:28.5 Jordan Syatt: Bro. My first New Year’s resolution that I broke this year was no looking at my phone when I use the bathroom. I did it the first time I peed and then there, I just…

0:06:39.9 Mike Vacanti: I’m going to give you a huge break on this though, because I don’t do any creating on my phone. I do zero. Like you’re actually doing the not getting…

0:06:50.4 Jordan Syatt: I’m not creating on the toilet or even when I’m peeing.

0:06:54.2 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Sure.

0:06:56.3 Jordan Syatt: I’m fully scrolling. Just like, I… This…

0:06:56.9 Mike Vacanti: I get it.

0:06:57.6 Jordan Syatt: 30 seconds where I’m peeing is really like, I really need something in my fucking face while I pee. Like, come on.

0:07:02.4 Mike Vacanti: I get it. But in general, I think if you’re used to being on the app for running your business, it’s hard… It’s definitely harder to separate. It’s harder for someone who’s creating consistently to not consume on those apps because they’re exposed to them more. For the rest of us, for people who are just consuming on the apps, there’s no reason. There’s no… Other than cheap entertainment and literally ruining our neurotransmitters. There’s no reason.

0:07:28.9 Jordan Syatt: Are you gonna replace it with something? Go atomic habit style?

0:07:31.9 Mike Vacanti: That’d be a good idea. Yeah. Yes, I’m sure I will.

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0:07:46.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. I mean, replacing it with work is something that I did this morning. Replacing it with meditation. But how much meditation am I going to be doing? Replacing it with being present. So if you’re on a 10-minute car ride rather than, like if you’re sitting in the back of an Uber, rather than scrolling, like, look out the window.

0:08:06.3 Jordan Syatt: Not… Yep.

0:08:07.9 Mike Vacanti: Easier said than done. But just noticing what’s going on in your environment.

0:08:14.5 Jordan Syatt: Is listening to an audiobook cool? Is that all right?

0:08:15.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yes. Listening to an audiobook is great. And I’ll definitely do that during getting steps in. During Zone 2 cardio. That was another part of it. I looked at my… I was like, “I should read a book.” I can’t remember, we talked about this last week or the week before. I’m like, “I can’t read long form anymore. I can’t.” And I’m looking at my bookshelf, and I’ve purchased all these books over the years and probably read half of them. So I have half of these, half my bookshelf. I haven’t even finished these books, some of which I haven’t even started. I’m looking, I’m like, “Which book do I genuinely want to read if I was someone who could read a book?” And I’m looking, I’m like, I picked a couple up. We’re going to Florida tomorrow for a week, and I’m bringing a few books down there in hopes that I can, I don’t know, read three chapters of one of them is, like, my goal.

0:09:01.9 Jordan Syatt: Dude, that’s good. Well, do you have anything you want to share or you’re keeping them private?

0:09:04.9 Mike Vacanti: Oh, I’ll keep them private for now.

0:09:07.1 Jordan Syatt: I had said on social media a while ago that, like, we don’t have any family videos. I just, I haven’t seen me as a kid, no family videos. And my aunt had her husband, my aunt Dee and Uncle Andy. Uncle Andy was always, like, videotaping family events, and he, like, categorized them by event. And she sent me the thumb drive with all these, like, family videos of, like, Rosh Hashanah and Passover and like, my second birthday and third birthday, all this stuff. And there were some videos included of, like, my grandfather, who I never met. He died before I was born.

0:09:49.3 Mike Vacanti: Wow.

0:09:51.2 Jordan Syatt: And all these family events. And I was watching it last night. And the best part, or one of the best part, there were a bunch. But one of the best parts is I was like, “No one’s on their phones.”

0:10:02.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:10:03.3 Jordan Syatt: There’s no phones. I was watching them all around, and they were just all… Yeah, I was actually studying. What did these people do…

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0:10:12.8 Mike Vacanti: Instead of be on their phone.

0:10:14.1 Jordan Syatt: Before phones, right? Because as you’re saying this, I’m like, “What do you replace it with?” And I sat there, I was like, “Hold on. What do you… Like, what did they do?” And it was funny because I was watching their behavior. And, like, I was looking for tics. Like, what’s a tic that shows they’re not interested or that they would be doing something else. The most common one that I saw was looking at a watch. It was like, they don’t know what to do, look at a watch. Like, Uncle Rich, he did that a number of times. Uncle Rich kept looking at his watch. Like, that was the tic but like he wouldn’t get sucked into his watch. It was just a watch. So he’d just see his watch and then boom, then back into the conversation or just standing there. I think there was a lot more of dealing with discomfort. But also I don’t think the discomfort was as bad because now the discomfort gets worse because the crutch is going to your phone. So now you have the discomfort of sitting in the discomfort knowing you could get out of that discomfort by going to your screen. It’s a real…

0:11:12.0 Mike Vacanti: You have the option for hyper pleasure immediately, instantaneously, unearned right there.

0:11:17.2 Jordan Syatt: Yep.

0:11:17.7 Mike Vacanti: And they didn’t then.

0:11:19.0 Jordan Syatt: Yep.

0:11:19.2 Mike Vacanti: That’s so cool that you were looking at those videos from that perspective.

0:11:23.9 Jordan Syatt: I didn’t notice it until, I don’t know, 15, 20 minutes in, they were all around. So like my… It was my grandfather’s birthday and they’re all giving him gifts and when one person was giving them the gift, that person was watching. But I was like, if this was another situation, like now if it wasn’t your gift, you’d probably be on your phone like just looking at whatever or if you already gave him your gift, then you’d be on your phone while they’re giving them the other gifts. And everyone was there and everyone was watching and they were all like cracking jokes and my uncle was making fun of my mom’s gift to my dad. And it was very interesting just to see that dynamic without phone as an option.

0:12:01.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:12:02.2 Jordan Syatt: But it’s also difficult when you’re hanging out with people who are using there phones.

0:12:04.0 Mike Vacanti: Who are on their phones. Hundred percent.

0:12:07.4 Jordan Syatt: Because like it’d be much easier. And I was literally thinking, I was like, “Man, we’re going to have to come up with a rule in my house where at a certain time phones go in a bowl, no phones.” Like that is going to have to be a rule at some point so that like especially during meals and stuff like that’s going to be a no brainer, but…

0:12:29.3 Mike Vacanti: Well, proximity to bedtime maybe there’s like…

0:12:31.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, for sure.

0:12:33.2 Mike Vacanti: I’ve heard people do that successfully. What you just said reminds me of… I’m actually not going to say who this person is because I want to keep… He listens to the podcast and I want to keep his parents’ anonymity for them. But he was telling me that he recently moved back somewhat close to his family to his hometown and he was hanging out with his parents who are in their, I would imagine 70s and at least his dad definitely. I don’t remember if it was both of them, but definitely his dad, he was watching him. And his dad’s essentially addicted to Facebook like, constantly. Like, doesn’t really, like, barely looks up from Facebook. And I have…

0:13:21.2 Jordan Syatt: Boomer dads are definitely addicted to Facebook.

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0:13:24.0 Mike Vacanti: Not to that degree, but I’ve seen my parents go from not using digital media to using digital media, over the last several, I guess, like six, seven, eight, nine years now at this point. But if you think of 2025 compared to 2015, boomers weren’t really, like, boomers weren’t scrolling Instagram in 2015, and boomers are scrolling Instagram now.

0:13:47.0 Jordan Syatt: Oh, yeah.

0:13:47.7 Mike Vacanti: And…

0:13:49.2 Jordan Syatt: That’s so true.

0:13:49.8 Mike Vacanti: And I picture myself in the, like, if I don’t change anything about what I’m doing, I’m going to scroll my life away. I’m going to cheap dopamine my life away. And it’s not just… Because, sure, there’s value in staying connected, there’s value in entertain… Like the bits of entertainment that you get. But for me personally, the downside, like, if you think of it in the Anna Lembke pleasure pain balance. And when you smash pleasure too hard, whether it’s cocaine or whether it’s scrolling Instagram or TikTok for two hours, after that, the balance is weighted towards pain, which is a dopamine deficit. And when you’re in that dopamine deficit, you’re going to want to do things that bring you pleasure. One of them for me is dessert foods. My ability to be on a diet is so much better if I’m not doing things that consistently put me in a dopamine deficit, because then I’m left wanting for the chewy bars or the donut or anything that’s gonna make me feel better immediately rather than sit in the discomfort. Because eventually that pleasure pain balance goes back to equilibrium. If you sit in pain long enough, it depends on how far in you are.

0:15:10.6 Mike Vacanti: It depends on you, your genetics, your situation. But eventually time brings you back to equilibrium. But it’s so hard just to sit in discomfort when we have all of these options to make us feel better immediately.

0:15:21.7 Jordan Syatt: Clip that. That was Clips Nation right there.

0:15:24.2 Mike Vacanti: Honestly, I don’t think it lands with…

0:15:26.5 Jordan Syatt: Of course it lands.

0:15:27.4 Mike Vacanti: I don’t think it lands, dude. I can think of maybe, like three people who care about, like, everybody I see is just resigned to the fact that this is how we live our lives, which, except for Nadine in the mentorship, who doesn’t even have social media. Shout out, Nadine, joined the mentorship a couple of months ago. She’s probably like, “No, I can relate, Mike,” but most people are just like, this is how we… At least from what I see and from the conversations I have.

0:15:53.1 Jordan Syatt: I think they see it as a necessary evil, but also simultaneously understand that it’s horrible for you, and they don’t like that they do it. I think it’s one of those things people are like, “Yeah, I don’t like that I do it, but I do it.”

0:16:08.6 Mike Vacanti: I think most people don’t care that they do it and they do it. I think maybe a segment of people don’t like that they do it, but they do it. But I think most people are just doing it and not really thinking about the fact that they’re doing it.

0:16:20.2 Jordan Syatt: I think you’re right. That makes sense. I feel like the antithesis of social media is nature.

0:16:26.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:16:27.4 Jordan Syatt: Like…

0:16:27.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:16:29.1 Jordan Syatt: The best thing you can do is get outside.

0:16:33.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:16:33.8 Jordan Syatt: It’s like, as soon as… Like, if I’m scrolling or I’m on social media, like, just not… It doesn’t even have to be anywhere nice. I’ll just go in my backyard. Just, like, immediately feel better.

0:16:45.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:16:46.1 Jordan Syatt: Especially if it’s sunny. But, like, could be sunny, could be dark out, could be like, 11 at night, 11 in the morning. As soon as I’m outside, like, immediate connection where, like, “Okay, I feel much better.”

0:17:01.0 Mike Vacanti: I’m with you. I still don’t think it’s a cure. Like, I go outside, I’m picturing myself on the beach. I’ve scrolled Twitter on the beach.

0:17:09.2 Jordan Syatt: Like on…

0:17:11.8 Mike Vacanti: There’s…

0:17:13.1 Jordan Syatt: All right, 15 minutes in. Let’s…

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0:17:17.6 Mike Vacanti: Well, try sitting in a chair in the sand and like, “Oh, this feels good.” But just try sitting like, there’s still… Especially…

0:17:24.3 Jordan Syatt: Bro, you’re preaching. I told you, like, you told me, you take flights for the whole flight, and you don’t even look at your phone. Like, trust me, I know.

0:17:31.3 Mike Vacanti: I know. But you just said you go in your backyard and you’re, like, cured. I’m like, if I go in my backyard, I’m still going to be wanting. I’m still going to be in a craving state. I agree with you that being in nature helps. And probably the more time spent in nature, the better.

0:17:45.1 Jordan Syatt: The better. Yeah.

0:17:45.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:17:46.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:17:48.3 Mike Vacanti: But I’m done. I’m done. That Interstellar Instagram reel, funny enough of the guy scrolling his life away is…

0:18:02.5 Jordan Syatt: Did I see that?

0:18:03.4 Mike Vacanti: No, I was gonna send it to you, but then I was like, you have to watch the movie first or you’re just not gonna appreciate it.

0:18:09.2 Jordan Syatt: Okay. It’s funny because I was literally thinking earlier, I was like, “Man, someone should make a great video showing someone scrolling their life away.”

0:18:17.0 Mike Vacanti: It’s art. It’s the greatest reel I’ve ever seen.

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0:18:21.3 Jordan Syatt: Isn’t that ironic? That it’s a reel.

0:18:22.0 Mike Vacanti: I’m gonna miss it. I’m gonna miss it.

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0:18:26.1 Jordan Syatt: The greatest thing I’ve ever seen in my life. And it convinced me to be done with this.

0:18:29.6 Mike Vacanti: Honestly.

0:18:31.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:18:32.8 Mike Vacanti: I’m dead serious. If I don’t scroll at all, I can see myself 18 months from now creating content. 90% about trying to get people off of these platforms and 10% about fitness.

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0:18:48.4 Jordan Syatt: My whole account is designed to get you off of this platform.

0:18:52.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

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0:18:55.5 Mike Vacanti: Actually.

0:18:57.6 Jordan Syatt: The comments would be so good. They’d be like, “Bro, get off the platform.”

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0:19:01.9 Mike Vacanti: I’m not on the platform. I’m making stuff out here in the real world, someone else does upload it…

0:19:06.3 Jordan Syatt: Or you just make content and then, yeah, you get someone else to upload it.

0:19:09.5 Mike Vacanti: Post and Ghost Rogan. I’ve never seen a comment… That’s going to be me. I don’t see my comments.

0:19:15.6 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:19:17.1 Mike Vacanti: I don’t have the apps.

0:19:17.2 Jordan Syatt: I wish I didn’t see my comments. It’s not fair. I get a lot of really nice ones. But, you know.

0:19:27.5 Mike Vacanti: You can get a hundred nice comments and the one comment you’re like…

0:19:28.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:19:29.5 Mike Vacanti: Screw this person. Yeah.

0:19:29.6 Jordan Syatt: Dude, that’s good though. I’m glad you’re done. You’re out.

0:19:34.0 Mike Vacanti: Don’t give me any credit because I haven’t done anything. Well, I did actually not look at my phone. I haven’t scrolled since, I don’t know, I’m probably at like 20 hours, zero screen.

0:19:45.2 Jordan Syatt: 20 hours?

0:19:46.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:19:46.9 Jordan Syatt: That’s crazy.

0:19:47.6 Mike Vacanti: I didn’t scroll last night. I read five pages of a book.

0:19:49.6 Jordan Syatt: Oh, nice.

0:19:50.3 Mike Vacanti: I put on a long form podcast.

0:19:53.9 Jordan Syatt: Which podcast?

0:19:55.9 Mike Vacanti: Anna Lembke on… What’s that guy’s name, that British dude. He’s got a big podcast.

0:20:00.8 Jordan Syatt: Diary of a CEO.

0:20:01.2 Mike Vacanti: Yes. Yeah. Good job. Yeah. She was on there two weeks ago, and I hadn’t seen her do recent media. And I’m like an hour in. It’s really solid.

0:20:14.0 Jordan Syatt: I like that.

0:20:15.0 Mike Vacanti: So that’s where we’re at.

0:20:17.0 Jordan Syatt: Oh, bro, you know what you’ve missed since you’re not scrolling for the last 20 hours?

0:20:20.1 Mike Vacanti: What?

0:20:20.6 Jordan Syatt: Well, you missed the inauguration.

0:20:23.2 Mike Vacanti: The inauguration was more than 20 hours ago, so. I didn’t miss the inauguration.

0:20:29.5 Jordan Syatt: Oh. You know the Internet is melting down because of Elon. Because… Have you seen that?

0:20:33.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. “My heart goes out to you.” They think he’s a Nazi.

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0:20:39.1 Jordan Syatt: Bro. Bro. It’s outrageous.

0:20:42.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. How about all of the… I’m debating whether or not to use this word, but this might just be like new Mike. The cucked CEOs who are just kissing the ring right now.

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0:20:58.5 Jordan Syatt: Dude. It’s actually wild to see.

0:21:00.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:21:01.7 Jordan Syatt: It’s really wild to see all literally bending the knee. Just like, we’ll do whatever you say.

0:21:08.1 Mike Vacanti: Zuckerberg.

0:21:08.2 Jordan Syatt: It’s really… Yeah.

0:21:08.8 Mike Vacanti: Gates. Like, “Oh, he’s willing to… “

0:21:10.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Gates was the most surprising, to be honest. Zuckerberg, it’s been a process over the last, like, I don’t know…

0:21:16.8 Mike Vacanti: Few months.

0:21:17.6 Jordan Syatt: Year and a half, two years, I think.

0:21:19.2 Mike Vacanti: I think he was hedging with MMA and his personal brand.

0:21:22.5 Jordan Syatt: Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

0:21:23.6 Mike Vacanti: Tune into that crowd. But if Harris won, he was fully going in that direction, like…

0:21:33.9 Jordan Syatt: Correct. Correct. I’m just surprised that, like, because the first time Trump won, they didn’t do that, but the second time, now they have, and it’s an interesting, I don’t know.

0:21:45.8 Mike Vacanti: Won the… You know, won the popular vote. The entire culture has shifted. Pretty soon I’m not even going to know about this stuff. I’m actually kind of excited.

0:21:54.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yeah. I hope one day I don’t know about this stuff. It’s a dream. I just think it was funny that all these people were being like, “Trump is a Nazi,” not Trump. Although, they say that all the time, but that Elon’s a Nazi. He did the Nazi salute. I’m like, “You guys are actually idiots.” Like, you don’t know anything about what this guy, like, as a Jew, it’s just hilarious considering how much he’s done for Israel and especially post October 7 and like, how, like, how over the top supportive he’s been of Israel and Jews in the United States as well. It’s just, it’s comical the stuff that people will say and do to try and to fit their narrative.

0:22:35.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, yeah. Or just grab five extra seconds of the clip and hear him say, my heart goes out to you.

0:22:41.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:22:41.6 Mike Vacanti: And he like, grabs his heart and then like…

0:22:43.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:22:44.9 Mike Vacanti: Throws it out to you.

0:22:46.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. And granted, it looked… It was too close. Like, it was… It looked… I get it. It looked bad, but I just think it was like, he’s an awkward dude and he was like, I’m giving you my heart. And he did it in a really weird way, but that wasn’t a Nazi salute. Shut up.

0:23:01.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Especially because he gets piled on from the actual people…

0:23:08.6 Jordan Syatt: Correct.

0:23:09.0 Mike Vacanti: Who hate Jews.

0:23:10.6 Jordan Syatt: Correct.

0:23:12.2 Mike Vacanti: Like, hate Elon.

0:23:12.5 Jordan Syatt: Yes. Yes.

0:23:13.5 Mike Vacanti: Because…

0:23:13.7 Jordan Syatt: Exactly.

0:23:13.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yeah. That’s just…

0:23:14.6 Jordan Syatt: That’s the issue with using that word so liberally. Just calling anyone who disagrees with you a Nazi because it removes the meaning of it. It removes the severity of it.

0:23:25.8 Mike Vacanti: Of course. Yeah, like anything.

0:23:27.8 Jordan Syatt: As soon… When you just call like anybody that word. It’s like, it’s like… Same thing. You call someone a racist. It’s like if you call everybody a racist, you now actually remove how awful it is to be a legitimate racist.

0:23:42.0 Mike Vacanti: Yep, yep. We saw that over the last decade or so.

0:23:47.4 Jordan Syatt: Dude, I’m reading an amazing book right now.

0:23:49.3 Mike Vacanti: What’s that? You’re reading an… Hang on.

0:23:51.5 Jordan Syatt: No, no, no. I say reading. I’m listening. If I tell you I’m reading, just understand it means I’m listening.

0:23:57.1 Mike Vacanti: Okay.

0:23:58.2 Jordan Syatt: This… That’s what it is now in 2025. I don’t…

0:24:01.1 Mike Vacanti: Well, I just want to clarify because… Okay.

0:24:05.3 Jordan Syatt: Because…

0:24:06.7 Mike Vacanti: What book?

0:24:06.9 Jordan Syatt: You getting competitive? I’m not actually…

0:24:08.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Because I’m actually going to try to learn how to read again.

0:24:11.0 Jordan Syatt: No, I’m not sitting down and reading. I’m working out and walking and listening to this audiobook and driving and listening to this audiobook, is actually…

0:24:19.6 Mike Vacanti: Distract yourself from the present moment.

0:24:21.6 Jordan Syatt: It’s extraordinary. It’s the first book I’ve read in a while that is not history. So I’ll give some context. Number one, you know, I like doing experiments. Whether it was the Big Mac challenge or the blood sugar experiment, carnivore experiment. Like, I like doing experiments and I like when other people do experiments. One of my favorite books from growing up is called ‘Black Like Me,’ where this guy, I believe it was in the ’50s or ’60s, a white guy, literally went through a process of tinting his skin so that he would look African American. And he went through the deep south, went through Mississippi, went through all these areas and documented his life as a black man. One of my favorite books of all time. Incredible experiment. Like extraordinary. Well, a woman, her name is Nora Vincent, she decided that she was going to run an experiment where she dressed up as a man and she lived a whole year as a man. And she’s actually… So she’s a lesbian. And in her own description, she was a radical feminist before she did this. And she’s documenting her experiences with these men from all over.

0:25:42.1 Jordan Syatt: And I’m only several chapters in, so I have more to go. Number one, her experiences are extraordinary. Number two is her writing is extraordinary, her storytelling is extraordinary. It is an absolutely miraculous piece of work. And I’m only a few chapters in, so I can’t say definitively by the end of it, but this is the first non history book I’ve read in a long time that I am just absolutely enthralled by.

0:26:11.2 Mike Vacanti: Nice. What’s her name?

0:26:13.4 Jordan Syatt: Nora Vincent. It’s actually really sad. She… Nora Vincent. She…

0:26:17.6 Mike Vacanti: I think I know the ending because I think I’ve heard of this.

0:26:21.6 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, it’s not good. She did assisted suicide in… I think it was a European country.

0:26:28.6 Mike Vacanti: Oh, I didn’t realize it was that.

0:26:29.8 Jordan Syatt: Sweden, Switzerland, something. She like… She… In 20… I think it was 2022 or something. 2020 or 20… She killed herself by assisted suicide. So it was legal. But…

0:26:39.9 Mike Vacanti: Man.

0:26:41.9 Jordan Syatt: From… And it’s been…

0:26:42.7 Mike Vacanti: Very, very sad.

0:26:43.9 Jordan Syatt: I’ve been trying to figure out why she did it. But fro… And obviously, it’s not from her words but from what I’ve seen it… She was struggling with depression and after she did the experiment and there… She even spoke about it in the book. Like she had a lot of guilt from doing the experiment because she inherently had to deceive people in order to do this. And she didn’t give any names away. She didn’t even give the cities away, or the town names. Like she changed everything. But she was like I inherently had to deceive people. And she spoke about it in the book, she was like, “I had all these preconceived notions about these people.” She’s like I… And she was like, “I put myself on a pedestal because of these preconceived notions that I had about these people who lived different lives than I lived and who lived in ways that I wasn’t aware of. I had all these preconceived notions and come to find out they’re all like so kind and so welcoming and like… And the way that they were brought up was different,” and it was just… It was the ultimate form of being like, “Oh, we’re all human.” But she… From what I found, she was really obviously, to kill yourself with assisted suicide, like you’re clearly struggling with something.

0:27:52.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:27:53.7 Jordan Syatt: There was no like terminal illness or anything as far as I’m aware, but…

0:27:57.3 Mike Vacanti: What’s the name of the book?

0:27:58.0 Jordan Syatt: Unbelievably well written book. It’s called ‘Self-Made Man.’

0:28:02.9 Mike Vacanti: Good title.

0:28:06.1 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Really, really incredible.

0:28:06.2 Mike Vacanti: I’m glad it’s good. It’s… There’s nothing like getting enthralled with a good book.

0:28:10.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, yeah. Just great, so.

0:28:12.5 Mike Vacanti: Did you see Zuckerberg looking down Bezos’ wife’s cleavage?

[chuckle]

0:28:18.6 Jordan Syatt: No.

0:28:19.5 Mike Vacanti: You didn’t see that?

0:28:20.6 Jordan Syatt: No, I didn’t see bro.

0:28:23.3 Mike Vacanti: It was… Well, she was wearing like a sport…

0:28:27.1 Jordan Syatt: Let me Google this.

0:28:27.5 Mike Vacanti: She was wearing a sport coat with like lingerie underneath it.

0:28:31.0 Jordan Syatt: Dude, I typed in Zuckerberg. And it’s the first thing that came up.

0:28:34.2 Mike Vacanti: Dude, hilarious.

0:28:38.0 Jordan Syatt: Oh, my…

0:28:38.7 Mike Vacanti: He’s sitting next to her and he just sneaks a peek down.

0:28:41.5 Jordan Syatt: Is it a video or just an image?

0:28:43.2 Mike Vacanti: There’s a video and an image.

[laughter]

0:28:46.7 Mike Vacanti: Did you watch the video?

[laughter]

0:28:54.7 Mike Vacanti: I can’t believe you didn’t see this yet.

0:28:56.2 Jordan Syatt: No, this did not come across my feed. I… Oh, you know what? You didn’t see it on Instagram, did you?

0:29:03.0 Mike Vacanti: No, I probably saw it on X.

0:29:04.6 Jordan Syatt: They definitely are…

0:29:07.1 Mike Vacanti: Oh, yeah.

0:29:08.8 Jordan Syatt: Censoring it from Instagram.

0:29:11.0 Mike Vacanti: For sure.

0:29:12.3 Jordan Syatt: Because Zuck owns it. He absolutely went… He was like, “You… Anything that shows this, you take it down immediately.” I haven’t seen or heard a peep about it until you just said that. That’s crazy.

0:29:22.1 Mike Vacanti: You know what? Real quick and hilarious, huh? But speaking on, like, a platform hiding something, you know I like to listen to these various cinematography, like, YouTube videos that have motivational music. During my workouts, at times, I’ll go through phases of that. There’s one video that someone put together with music and clips from ‘Braveheart’ that is unbelievable. And the title of it is Braveheart Freedom. And over the year, like, over the last three years, I probably watched it or listened to it during workouts. I don’t know, I don’t even know a hundred times. And I would just type in Braveheart Motivation. And it was the top video that popped up. It was nine or 10 minutes. Unbelievable video. By far the best in its genre. And I want to say this was sometime around the assassination attempt on Trump where he got shot. The video disappeared. And I was like, “Oh, like, copyright issue. There must have been something. Like, they took this video down. I can’t believe it.” And over the last six, seven months, there have been times where I’m working out and I’ll search for it just out of habit. Is it there? It’s never there.

0:30:42.8 Mike Vacanti: Over the last month, I’m like, “I wonder if there’s anyone else in this situation like me?” So I type in, in Google, what happened to Braveheart Motivation video Reddit? Like, to see if there’s anything about this. And there’s not. No one had, like, made a thread about it. I was like, “Oh, that’s disappointing.” I go into Safari last night.

0:31:04.5 Jordan Syatt: No way.

0:31:05.5 Mike Vacanti: And I type in, I’m like, again, I was like, I think instead of Braveheart Motivation, I typed in Braveheart Freedom and it populated a list of YouTube videos within Safari on my phone. And I saw the thumbnail. I was like, “No way. Like, the video’s back.” And I clicked it and it could play. I was like, “Wow, it’s back on there.”

0:31:27.4 Jordan Syatt: What the hell?

0:31:28.1 Mike Vacanti: So I go to the video and there’s a few comments that are like, why did they remove this video from… I sorted the comments, and there have hardly been any comments in the last several months. And it’s got millions of views on the video. But the most recent comments were, why is this video hidden from search? Why is this video blocked in search? Like, why can’t I find this video in search? And I search again in YouTube. Braveheart Freedom. Braveheart Motivation. Scroll forever. It’s not there.

0:31:51.4 Jordan Syatt: What the hell?

0:31:52.8 Mike Vacanti: So this unbelievably popular video, best in its class in its genre, got removed as a search result from YouTube, and you can’t find it in the YouTube app.

0:32:04.6 Jordan Syatt: That’s so weird.

0:32:05.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:32:06.9 Jordan Syatt: But you can on Safari.

0:32:08.0 Mike Vacanti: On Safari, I was able… I don’t know. Glitch in the Matrix.

0:32:11.1 Jordan Syatt: That’s so interesting.

0:32:11.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:32:15.9 Jordan Syatt: That’s weird.

0:32:17.2 Mike Vacanti: So for some reason, you know, much like before Elon bought Twitter, Twitter was doing all this shadow banning that came out in the Twitter files. Instagram and Facebook have done shadow banning massive amounts over the years, even though now they’re pro freedom, but massive amounts of work for the government over the years. And YouTube too, apparently, is… I mean, not apparently, like, it’s obvious, but something that simple. Like, it’s not like it’s misinformation about something going on in… It’s like a motivational video that’s shadow banned.

0:32:50.2 Jordan Syatt: Mm-hmm. That’s very odd. And if they’re doing it to that, obviously they’re going to do it to other stuff.

0:32:54.5 Mike Vacanti: More important stuff. Yeah, yeah.

0:32:56.3 Jordan Syatt: Bro, have you seen all this stuff about Red 3?

0:33:00.9 Mike Vacanti: I saw that Red 3 and, like, beef tallow or, like, Red 3’s getting banned and what’s the other thing? Beef tallow’s making a comeback.

0:33:10.2 Jordan Syatt: Well, yeah, beef tallow has been making a comeback just because of…

0:33:13.9 Mike Vacanti: I thought RFK did… Banned beef tallow, but also. Or, sorry, banned Red 3, but then also mandated something around beef tallow.

0:33:22.4 Jordan Syatt: Was there a mandate around beef tallow?

0:33:24.2 Mike Vacanti: Someone, let’s actually bleep his name out, please. [REDACTED] told me RFK, like, beef tallow’s back in the french fries and Red 3 is banned.

0:33:33.5 Jordan Syatt: No, I don’t… I don’t think they’ve mandated. Let me look real quick. Is beef tallow mandated for French fries? I don’t think that’s true. No, it’s not. It’s not. I think that’s his goal. That’s what he’s talking about. But that he probably heard that sound bite and just assumed that it was now mandate. It’s not mandated.

0:34:00.1 Mike Vacanti: Okay.

0:34:01.0 Jordan Syatt: Red 3 is now officially banned by the FDA. It’s a whole big stinkaroo in the fitness industry. Like, you have one side being like, “Yeah, this is a huge win, da, da, da.” And the other side being like, “What the fuck is wrong with you?”

[laughter]

0:34:18.0 Jordan Syatt: It’s very interesting.

0:34:18.8 Mike Vacanti: I literally, when I wasn’t scrolling, because I was just laying there thinking before I got up this morning, thought of an analogy for this.

0:34:26.8 Jordan Syatt: Oh, wow. All right, let’s hear it.

0:34:29.7 Mike Vacanti: Banning Red 3 to make America healthier is akin to the Minnesota Vikings deciding that they are going to repaint the… Like, in the parking lot. Repaint the lines in the parking lot to help them win the Super Bowl.

0:34:56.3 Jordan Syatt: Yep. Yep.

0:34:57.4 Mike Vacanti: Like, oh, like, yeah, I guess it’s something. But, like, getting a really good quarterback would be, like, a real step in the right direction to winning the Super Bowl. Like, I don’t know. Hiring a really good offensive coordinator. Real step in the right direction. Painting the lines in the parking lot. Yeah, it’s something. But is it moving the needle? No.

0:35:20.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, I… It’s funny. It’s… I was trying to think of a good analogy, and I’ve used this one before, and I want to think of a new one, but it’s like, imagine you’re on the Titanic. It’s sinking, and then as it’s sinking, you’re like, “Let’s rearrange the deck furniture.” It’s like, “Okay, this is an absolute… ” Now, ironically, what I will say is I’m all for them banning it. Like, I have no issue with them banning it. And I’m all for taking a cautionary approach. Like, that’s fine. Cool. We can ban it. And, like. But to be also be clear, there is no evidence that in humans, it causes cancer. The mechanism that it can cause cancer in rats is not only in outrageous quantities, but also that mechanism isn’t seen in humans. So. But again, I’m all for banning it. Fine. Ironically, this is what I think is very ironic. If you look at what foods typically have Red 3. It’s like gummy bears and candies and juices and all of these foods that the crowd that is so happy that Red 3 is gone. They’re the ones who say that stuff is poison anyway.

0:36:33.6 Jordan Syatt: They’re the ones who say, like, sugar’s giving you cancer. They’re the ones who say that these foods are giving you cancer. And you shouldn’t… Never eat these foods. So it’s like, “Well, you’re not eating those foods anyway.” So you say, “So why the fuck, or why is this going to make America healthy? Why is this your main thing?” If you really, really, really, really, really want to make people healthy? It’s like, how about instead of removing something that is already… Like, no one thinks gummy bears is a fucking health food. No one thinks fruit juice like… Is like a great option for health. I shouldn’t say no one. I’m sure there are some people who are like, “Oh, it’s a fruit juice.” But like it’s… Most people don’t think gummy bears and jello and all that stuff is healthy for you. So they’re removing something from a food that people already shouldn’t be eating in high quantities because they already know it’s not… It shouldn’t be… Make up a significant portion of your diet. It’s… And again, I’m all for removing it. Let’s take a cautionary approach. But this isn’t going to make anyone healthier.

0:37:36.0 Mike Vacanti: Correct.

0:37:36.7 Jordan Syatt: [impersonating Barack Obama] “Let’s be clear. It’s not going to make anyone healthier.”

0:37:41.9 Mike Vacanti: Jordan, just randomly drops the Obama.

0:37:44.2 Jordan Syatt: [impersonating Barack Obama] “Let’s be clear.”

[laughter]

0:37:46.0 Mike Vacanti: That was good. Yeah, man.

0:37:48.6 Jordan Syatt: [impersonating Barack Obama] “Uhhh… Donald!”

0:37:49.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, you’re preaching. You’re absolutely preaching. It’s…

0:37:54.3 Jordan Syatt: [impersonating Joe Biden] Come on, man. Come on.

0:37:57.2 Mike Vacanti: Oh. Like we’ve talked about, I don’t know how much we’ve talked about this on the podcast recently, but if you look at every experiment where someone eats, “terrible, unhealthy, low quality food,” like the Twinkie guy, like the McDonald’s guy, but does so in a calorie deficit and loses body fat over a period of time, they get significantly healthier over that period of time. Only eating crap food.

0:38:26.1 Jordan Syatt: Yep.

0:38:26.7 Mike Vacanti: The best thing we as a country where overweight plus obese population is, I don’t know the exact number now, somewhere around 75% is lose body fat. And that doesn’t have anything to do with an individual ingredient, unfortunately. I wish it did. I really wish it did. But that’s, yeah…

0:38:46.1 Jordan Syatt: It’s just such an interesting thing to really be focused on.

0:38:50.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:38:51.8 Jordan Syatt: It’s just so wild. Like these are the things that, like you’re, I don’t know, you’re celebrating this huge… It would be, it’s like as the Titanic is sinking, it’s like you put the chair. But yeah, you got this chair back in the right place. Yes, yes, that chair. Oh. And then it falls. Argh damn it. But it was, it was in the right place. It was close. You had it there for a second. It’s like it’s such a ridiculous thing to be spending so much time and energy on relative to what actually people need.

0:39:19.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:39:20.7 Jordan Syatt: What do you think about that Brian Johnson guy? Have you watched ‘Don’t Die’ on Netflix, the doc about Brian Johnson?

0:39:28.2 Mike Vacanti: Have not watched the doc. Have you watched the doc?

0:39:30.3 Jordan Syatt: I have no interest in watching it. It’s, of all of the things I could do, I would way rather read Nora Vincent than watch Brian Johnson tell me he takes 80 pills every morning to live forever.

0:39:45.2 Mike Vacanti: I’ll devil’s advocate. I think it’s cool, unique, contrarian. It’s almost like trying to become an interplanetary species. It’s like a goal outside of the ability to comprehend of most individuals. And he’s really going all in with it. So if you’re gonna do something, go all out.

0:40:21.6 Jordan Syatt: That guy’s anxiety must be through the fucking roof.

0:40:23.4 Mike Vacanti: What do you mean?

0:40:24.1 Jordan Syatt: He must always be thinking about dying. Just constantly, just by nature of what he’s… For anyone who doesn’t know, this guy is… He’s… And I think he’s probably aware he will die, but he’s trying to live as long as he possibly can and everything is about… He does is about reversing his age.

0:40:40.6 Mike Vacanti: No, I don’t think he knows that he’s gonna die. I think he thinks there’s a chance that he can solve death. And he’s doing it like a CEO would solve any problem that a company is trying to tackle.

0:40:51.7 Jordan Syatt: I think he has like a coronary calcium scanner in his house or something. I think he has like these major, major like MRI machines. Like, you know, I think he has it like in his home. That dude must have so much anxiety. You can’t do this without just being fearful all the time. And maybe I’m putting my own shit on that guy. Maybe that’s what I’m doing.

0:41:20.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:41:21.6 Jordan Syatt: But like, I don’t know. I don’t see how that’s possible. How this guy is just constantly thinking about avoiding death and then not worrying about it.

0:41:28.0 Mike Vacanti: If he’s doing it for the good of humans and like life extension purposes, then I can see him not being a nervous wreck all the time. If he’s doing it out of his own, purely out of his own self-interest and not wanting to die, yeah, I think there probably is a degree of anxiety associated with that quest. Probably a pretty high degree. But I don’t… I haven’t dug deep on the guy. I’m under educated.

0:41:58.9 Jordan Syatt: You’re over educated, under influenced.

0:42:01.4 Mike Vacanti: What do you mean?

0:42:02.0 Jordan Syatt: You just haven’t been influenced, bet you haven’t seen his stuff.

0:42:04.2 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Or I just scroll over it, really. You know what part of it is? It’s like a beauty bias because I think there’s a… Jordan keeps laughing at things that aren’t funny.

0:42:15.1 Jordan Syatt: I think I know what you’re saying.

0:42:19.7 Mike Vacanti: It’s not arguable that there is a correlation between health and beauty. And the guy, respectfully, because I actually do respect what he’s doing. But he got way worse looking as he’s gotten “healthier.”

0:42:34.2 Jordan Syatt: That’s right. I knew you were going to go down that route. That’s why it’s hilarious.

0:42:37.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yeah.

0:42:39.1 Jordan Syatt: What do you mean, like, his skin or something?

0:42:41.1 Mike Vacanti: I don’t even know that I can break it down to its attributes. It’s just a gut feeling that I get seeing side by side images. And honestly, I support his quest and I hope he… I wish him well.

0:42:53.1 Jordan Syatt: Do you hope he lives forever?

0:42:55.0 Mike Vacanti: Do I hope he lives forever? The… No, I don’t. I don’t hope that he dies, but I don’t hope that he lives forever. I don’t… That’s bringing the conversation away from the interesting material, physiological increase our lifespan into the metaphysical, religious, spiritual. Like a mere mortal living forever is not something that I believe in.

0:43:30.3 Jordan Syatt: Got it. Yeah. Do naps count when you’re calculating sleep?

0:43:34.2 Mike Vacanti: Yes. It’s a great question. They do.

0:43:36.6 Jordan Syatt: I knew you were gonna love that one.

0:43:38.6 Mike Vacanti: Good job.

0:43:39.5 Jordan Syatt: Why? How does that play, just like, total sleep count?

0:43:42.3 Mike Vacanti: Nothing more needs to be said. Yep, that’s exactly right.

0:43:45.0 Jordan Syatt: Will it stunt my child’s growth if they lift weights before puberty?

0:43:48.0 Mike Vacanti: No.

0:43:48.5 Jordan Syatt: It’s nice to have someone taller than me say that because I’m not, like, the best advocate for it.

[laughter]

0:43:56.3 Jordan Syatt: People always ask me, and I was like, I know you’re not like, this isn’t like, the picture of what you’re looking for, but, like, I’ll just show you every male in my history in my, like, genetic line. So you know that I’m very average for all of them.

0:44:07.2 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:44:07.8 Jordan Syatt: And none of them lifted weights.

0:44:11.0 Mike Vacanti: I have seen some interesting, not, like, good science, but science around sleep and nutrient deprivation over childhood, affecting height in adulthood.

0:44:29.1 Jordan Syatt: Interesting. That makes sense.

0:44:31.4 Mike Vacanti: But, yeah, as far as I know, genetics are by far the number one factor in that one.

0:44:37.6 Jordan Syatt: Fitness person said, high blood pressure and cholesterol don’t run in families. Is this true? No, that is not true. It is egregiously dangerous and stupid. Literally everything has a genetic component, including things like blood pressure and cholesterol, which is why when you go to the doctor, literally one of the first things they do is get your family history, because they all have massive genetic components. So I don’t know who said that, but they’re wrong. What are your thoughts on the iPhone pedometer?

0:45:11.5 Mike Vacanti: I think it’s very accurate.

0:45:13.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:45:14.5 Mike Vacanti: They do a great job with it. I’ve tested it against Garmin and against a… Like, a random Amazon. Like, you know, 1990s pedometer that you just snap on your waistband.

0:45:25.3 Jordan Syatt: Yes. Yeah, same.

0:45:26.6 Mike Vacanti: And iPhone’s really solid.

0:45:28.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, iPhone’s great with that.

0:45:29.9 Mike Vacanti: It’s just that, do you actually have your phone on you all the time? Most people don’t.

0:45:34.5 Jordan Syatt: Correct.

0:45:35.2 Mike Vacanti: So there’s that.

0:45:36.7 Jordan Syatt: I do think having just, like, a 1990s pedometer is actually great. Probably one of the best things I have, especially if you’re trying to scroll less. You don’t want your phone on. Just have that. And if you don’t want to spend money on a watch or have a watch on, like, you know, like, I got Mike a watch, but he doesn’t wear it. So, like.

0:46:00.4 Mike Vacanti: We’ve told this story.

0:46:00.9 Jordan Syatt: It would be nice if he had a pedometer if he didn’t want to carry his phone or something else.

0:46:02.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, I wore that watch for a long time.

0:46:06.3 Jordan Syatt: I know. I know. I know.

[laughter]

0:46:09.3 Mike Vacanti: Told that story. I got Jordan a really nice Iron Neck that he doesn’t use.

0:46:11.6 Jordan Syatt: I use it.

0:46:13.2 Mike Vacanti: When’s the last time you used it? Don’t lie.

0:46:15.6 Jordan Syatt: I’m very grateful.

0:46:17.3 Mike Vacanti: Don’t lie. When’s the last time you used it?

0:46:17.6 Jordan Syatt: A while ago.

0:46:18.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, over a year.

0:46:20.7 Jordan Syatt: A while ago. It’s been cold in the gym.

0:46:22.2 Mike Vacanti: Oh, so you haven’t worked out?

0:46:24.7 Jordan Syatt: No, I’ve worked out, but not my neck. Ah. When I get back to Jiu-jitsu, I’ll do it again.

0:46:29.6 Mike Vacanti: You don’t have to. You don’t have to.

0:46:31.4 Jordan Syatt: I want to. It is a great gift. It’s funny. It’s a really good gift.

0:46:37.0 Mike Vacanti: It’s funny? It’s a funny gift?

0:46:39.0 Jordan Syatt: It’s funny because I was thinking about it, like, I’m going to do, like, a… Once I get all my new equipment, I’m gonna do a home gym. Because people often say, can you do a tour of your gym so we can see what you have? So. And sort of rank it. And I was literally planning what I was gonna say. Like, I’ve paid… Like, I’m not sponsored. Like, I’ve paid for all of the equipment. I was like, but the Iron Neck was a gift from a buddy of mine. Like, that’s literally talking about how I’ve paid for everything except for a few gifts like the Iron Neck.

0:47:06.4 Mike Vacanti: Because you don’t like the Iron Neck that much.

0:47:08.0 Jordan Syatt: I actually really thoroughly enjoy the iron neck, and I’m super grateful that you gifted it to me.

0:47:13.5 Mike Vacanti: Me too, bro. I loved my days with that watch.

0:47:16.2 Jordan Syatt: Do you use your Iron Neck?

0:47:17.4 Mike Vacanti: No, because literally all I do is scroll. But now, yeah, no, I haven’t… I hadn’t been using… My neck was getting a little too jacked at one point.

0:47:29.4 Jordan Syatt: Too thick?

0:47:30.1 Mike Vacanti: No. My neck feels better when I’m consistently using the Iron Neck and nothing remotely close to failure. But just a lot of that rotation feels really good.

0:47:41.7 Jordan Syatt: I think it’s just the movement that’s the night… It’s like you get a lot of rotation and movement. You’re working through a full range of motion while strengthening it. Like, it’s really nice. I like it a lot.

0:47:52.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:47:53.2 Jordan Syatt: Thank you for listening. We hope you enjoyed the episode. Sorry for a relatively short episode this week. We’ll be back next week with an even sicker episode. [impersonating Donald Trump] It’ll be so sick. You’ll love it. It’ll be the sickest episode you’ve ever heard, frankly.

0:48:09.5 Jordan Syatt: [impersonating Barack Obama] Let’s be clear. It’s gonna be a great episode. Have a wonderful week. Talk to you soon.