Episode 216: GLP-1s: Who Should and Should NOT Take Them, High Frequency Exercise, Stop Watching the News, and More…

0:00:11.7 Mike Vacanti: Hello, Jordan.

0:00:12.3 Jordan Syatt: What’s up, Michael?

0:00:13.1 Mike Vacanti: What are you sipping on?

0:00:15.5 Jordan Syatt: Little Monster.

0:00:16.1 Mike Vacanti: Oh nice.

0:00:17.0 Jordan Syatt: Ultra Peachy… Ultra Peachy Keen.

0:00:19.9 Mike Vacanti: Peach?

0:00:20.0 Jordan Syatt: I don’t like that name. It’s peach. I don’t like the name to Ultra Peach. I didn’t even notice that until… Ultra Peachy Keen. I might never buy another Monster again. I don’t like that name at all.

0:00:28.4 Mike Vacanti: Why not?

0:00:29.0 Jordan Syatt: I don’t know. Ultra Peachy Keen. I feel like Monster, the branding is around like being a badass and then Ultra Peachy Keen is just the complete opposite branding.

0:00:43.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, yeah.

0:00:44.3 Jordan Syatt: I don’t like that. I don’t like that.

0:00:47.1 Mike Vacanti: Peach?

0:00:48.3 Jordan Syatt: I’m done with Monster.

0:00:48.3 Mike Vacanti: No, you’re not. Peach flavored artificial sweetener is good. Like, I like peach flavored things.

0:00:55.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Agreed.

0:00:57.1 Mike Vacanti: Pre-workouts and things of that nature are usually really good.

0:01:00.1 Jordan Syatt: How are you doing, man?

0:01:01.0 Mike Vacanti: Good, bro. I’m good. Had a good Dallas trip last week.

0:01:04.3 Jordan Syatt: Dude, that was an epic Dallas trip. Got a lot done.

0:01:07.8 Mike Vacanti: We did a podcast on your podcast, on the Jordan Syatt Mini podcast. The first in-person podcast…

0:01:14.6 Jordan Syatt: Yep, yep.

0:01:15.5 Mike Vacanti: Of many for you.

0:01:16.7 Jordan Syatt: We’ll see. We’ll see. Definitely is the first.

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0:01:20.3 Mike Vacanti: True. That’s true.

0:01:21.5 Jordan Syatt: It was the first. It was good. Got the Instagram Growth Guide, Volume 2.0 done for the mentorship.

0:01:30.1 Mike Vacanti: Pumped about that.

0:01:30.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, I’m really excited about that. Very excited about that. Spent an entire day filming that and it was good. It was very, very good. I was excited with how it came out. So excited for the mentorship to get that.

0:01:41.3 Mike Vacanti: It was good. It was also not easy. Like it was a lot of work.

0:01:47.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, it’s a ton of work.

0:01:48.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:01:49.5 Jordan Syatt: It’s a ton of work. And just the most up to date understanding of how to use social media, yes, to grow your audience, but more importantly to actually help people on social media and then lead that into growing your business so you can help yourself and your family as well. Yes, it will help you grow your audience, but also understanding how to use your, if you got the, we’ve spoken about, you’ve got 500 followers, that’s plenty of people to become clients. That’s plenty of people, so a lot of that as well. But the volume 2.0 I think is a much needed and will be a very helpful update for those in the mentorship.

0:02:31.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, I agree. And just got some steps in. Did a little walk in the forest which was fun on the trail…

0:02:39.4 Jordan Syatt: Oh nice. Oh yeah, we did, we did. I thought you were saying you just did that. Yeah. Got on a nice little hiking trail. That was really nice. You got a little nervous that we were going to get lost. You were like, do you know where you’re going? I was like, I haven’t been this far before. I don’t know where I’m going.

0:02:54.0 Mike Vacanti: We had made like seven, there were like seven forks in the road and it felt like we were just willy nilly going like left on one, right on another, left on another. And I was like, are you keeping track of where we’re at here? You’re like, I’ve been this far. I was like, okay, cool. And then like eight steps later you’re like, but I haven’t been this far.

0:03:12.0 Jordan Syatt: I haven’t been this far.

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0:03:16.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, that was good. We got solid 12,000 plus steps in. Not on the filming day, but on the other day.

0:03:23.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Got some good workouts in.

0:03:24.5 Mike Vacanti: Had some delicious meals.

0:03:26.0 Jordan Syatt: You met Curtis, who surprised you.

0:03:30.2 Mike Vacanti: I met Curtis, who has a lot of energy. He’s got that puppy energy.

0:03:34.7 Jordan Syatt: You were like, you said you overestimated how difficult my daughters would be. They’re easier than you thought, and you underestimated how difficult Curtis would be. The dude is just an absolute wrecking ball.

0:03:49.0 Mike Vacanti: Your daughters are easier than I expected. And Curtis was much more work than I expected. It was really fun, though. It was a good trip.

0:04:00.5 Jordan Syatt: It was good. I don’t know, it had been well over a year since I had seen you in person. I think like a year and a half, maybe two years.

0:04:05.7 Mike Vacanti: 11 months. Mind Pump.

0:04:08.2 Jordan Syatt: Oh, that was it. Oh, Mind Pump. Mind Pump. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that’s true. Okay.

0:04:11.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. But since I had seen your wife and I was meeting your younger daughter for the first time, but your older daughter had been a long time.

0:04:19.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:04:20.6 Mike Vacanti: Although with technology, honestly…

0:04:22.8 Jordan Syatt: It didn’t feel like that. Yeah.

0:04:24.7 Mike Vacanti: No. There was a moment where I think it was dinner the first night. Like five minutes in, I was like, so, what else is new with you? It’s like we talk all the time.

0:04:35.1 Jordan Syatt: We talk every day.

0:04:35.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yeah.

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0:04:38.3 Mike Vacanti: On the subject of getting a lot of steps in, we have a theory, and you’re executing it better than me at this point, but I would like to be executing it better and maybe will be in the near future, basically that our expectations as a society and the fitness industry specifically around number of hours a week that you’re training is way off of what is optimal. Not for making physique progress or aesthetic progress, but for feeling better physically and mentally and flourishing as a human being. And a lot of that is a result of busy schedules, working 9 to 5s, having obligations that prevent people from being in a position where they can dedicate as much time as they would like to being more active. But for those who can carve out time, the combination of cardio, strength training, mobility, all of these different types of movement that are good for us, not three hours a week, which is kind of the recommended minimum effective dosage to make progress, but a couple of hours a day at the very least would lead to people feeling a lot better.

0:06:00.1 Jordan Syatt: Dude 100%. And again, that is not realistic for so many people who are working regular jobs or who have kids. Like, I get it. At the same time, I think that the point that you hit home on is the, it’s not about what’s optimal for physique development. It’s like, it’s what’s optimal for, not just our health physically, but mental and emotional health too. Even stuff where it’s like, I consider me getting outside with my daughters and moving with them. Like, I count that towards that.

0:06:33.4 Mike Vacanti: Activity. Yeah.

0:06:34.1 Jordan Syatt: And so getting outside, moving with them, running around with them, putting around my shoulders, running around the yard, it’s the amount that you feel better from, especially getting outside and doing it. But just movement. And if you can incorporate your friends, your family, whomever, your neighbors into it, even better, I think, from the community aspect. But for example, oftentimes we’ll get together with a friend and we’ll just sit down for a coffee or we’ll sit down for a drink. It’s like, what if you moved? Just simple things like that, we’re getting up and moving. Or it’s like, hey, let’s just have this conversation. Well, like, dude, I think one of the first things that you came in the house and you texted me and you were like, do you have a foam roller? It was like the first thing you did is you came in and you started just doing a little bit of mobility work and we talked while you did that. It’s like making that more common among family and friends of just, hey, let’s get together and move. It doesn’t have to be a super intense workout. Doesn’t have to be anything that’s going to get in the way of our discussion or connection. But movement, man. Oh my gosh, it just feels so good every day.

0:07:48.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yep. Couldn’t agree more. And we’re hedging a little bit on not wanting to come off as like, okay, you guys are self-employed, you set your own schedule so of course you can do this if you want to. But I’m gonna lean in the other way and say if I audited random listener schedule, even someone who’s super busy, you can find places to get more movement, whether it’s instead of those 15 or 20-minute breaks throughout the day where you’re joking around with your co-worker or eating a mini Snickers bar, that could be a walk outside around the building. Maybe I’ll have a rude awakening here in a few months, but on the parenting side of things…

0:08:38.4 Jordan Syatt: No you won’t.

0:08:40.8 Mike Vacanti: Throwing the kid in the stroller and going for a walk around the block, even 10 minutes, but could be longer, half hour, so good for you. And it adds up in a big way.

0:08:50.0 Jordan Syatt: People said that to me with both daughters. First got my, before my first daughter. Oh, you’re about to see, you’re about to see, it’s not going to go well. And then I was working out at midnight and 1:00 AM, and it was really difficult but like I still found ways to make it happen. And then before the second one, oh, this one’s different, number two is different. It’s not going to happen. Now you’re going to see. Same thing. Every family and every individual has a different situation, which I fully understand. Also the fact that our job is fitness, I think plays a role especially since I am very public facing and like I use, I deliberately talk about, I don’t just want to talk the talk, I wanna walk the walk and show people what I’m doing. I use that, and that’s part of my motivation and accountability as well. So it’s a big mental shift. But it’s doable. It is absolutely doable. And it is, it does come down to what you’re prioritizing. And I think what’s going to end up happening is if you prioritize it, you’ll do it, but you might not be able to do it as well or as optimally or for as long as maybe you would have liked to do.

0:10:05.1 Jordan Syatt: Like many of my workouts I have to cut short. Many of my, I split them up. Yesterday, I split my workout into two. I got my workout in a little bit in the early morning and then I literally did the rest late at night with my wife. So it’s like had to split it up into two.

0:10:19.7 Mike Vacanti: And you know what’s funny? A lot of conventional feedback around that would be, oh, like that’s like that’s psychotic. Why did you have to go back and get the rest in? Why couldn’t you just the next day pick back up where you left off? Like, that’s disorder. That’s like, it’s like, no, it’s not, getting 20 minutes in the morning and then getting another 30 minutes in later in the day when you have time, it’s the opposite of that.

0:10:49.1 Jordan Syatt: Imagine like starting to read a book or you’re, I’m going to pick up a new chapter in the book, and then all of a sudden, oh, shoot, I got something, I can’t finish this chapter right now. And then you pick up the chapter later that day. It’s like, okay, that’s not disordered. You wanted to finish the fucking chapter.

0:11:03.5 Mike Vacanti: Or obsessive or…

0:11:04.6 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:11:05.1 Mike Vacanti: You know the types of feedback that people often get who display these behaviors. And I want to double down on the fact that if your sole goal is aesthetics, like three to four strength training sessions a week, 45 minutes each, and paying attention to your calories and macronutrients, more than enough to have plenty, 95% of natural aesthetic progress, like you’re going to look incredible. The extra time isn’t about looking better. It’s actually about feeling better physically, mentally, emotionally, which leads to you being better for everyone in your life and for yourself.

0:11:49.8 Jordan Syatt: This is, I think, one of my, this is arguably the greatest argument for having fitness equipment at home. You don’t even need a whole home gym, but having some equipment at home so that you can treat it like practice, like just your daily movement practice, doesn’t have to be a workout. You don’t have to do a workout, but you have to move. Just practice a movement, whether it’s a couple of kettlebells, dumbbells, there’s so much, you can do body weight, but being able to treat your daily exercise or parts of your daily exercise just as practice is a huge mindset shift that takes it from, this needs to be a super intense session to like, I just need to move because it’s going to make me feel so much better.

0:12:36.5 Mike Vacanti: Well said. Absolutely. It makes it way easier to do when you have a little something at home too.

0:12:42.2 Jordan Syatt: That is also, I think, a big shift. I think it’s one of the reasons people just say, oh, I’d rather not work out at all is because they think every workout has to be really intense. Every time you do any type of movement, it has to be at or near failure, you’ve gotta be sweating heart rate through the roof. It’s like, why does that have to be every time you do movement? So I would say the majority of your movement is relatively lower intensity, more of a practice level. And then a couple of times a week, a few times a week, three or four times a week. Yeah, then you go hard. But like, not the majority of it. And especially when you start treating movement as daily practice, it’s a much more sustainable and enjoyable process.

0:13:24.0 Mike Vacanti: Absolutely. And when you add up a couple of hours a day plus, you can’t be taking everything you’re doing to failure, like that…

0:13:30.6 Jordan Syatt: Correct.

0:13:31.0 Mike Vacanti: That isn’t…

0:13:32.0 Jordan Syatt: Good luck.

0:13:35.3 Mike Vacanti: That doesn’t make sense. Good luck.

0:13:35.5 Jordan Syatt: You getting excited for your baby girl? You got a lot of feedback on her? Got some people commenting about it. Like, are you getting excited?

0:13:42.4 Mike Vacanti: Dude, you know what? I think YouTube turned off… I used to get emails every time we got a comment on the channel. I haven’t for a number of weeks, so I think I need to fix that. But, yes, a bunch of people reached out and said, congratulations. I’m very grateful for that. Thank you. And yeah, man, I’m getting ready.

0:14:06.6 Jordan Syatt: You loading up on, you’re front ending, frontloading sleep ahead of time, just in case.

0:14:10.9 Mike Vacanti: To the extent that I can. Yes, yes.

0:14:14.2 Jordan Syatt: It’s going to be great. It’s going to be the best thing ever. It’s so good.

0:14:18.1 Mike Vacanti: I’m excited. I’m very excited. I’m a man of few words right now, but the next thing on my list is a PSA. I am seeing advertising for sports betting and gambling companies everywhere, podcasts especially. I’m seeing a lot of gambling companies sponsoring these podcasts, which means they’re paying more than other potential advertisers, which means the industry is doing very well. And these companies have really nice margins and they’re growing. And that is all coming at the expense. Not all. The majority of it is coming at the expense of people who have a gambling problem, some isn’t, right. Some is like I played a lot of poker. Like, people can gamble recreationally and have a set amount that they want to spend and be fine with that. And it’s a great hobby for many people, but for a lot of people, it’s a real problem. And when you can bet on literally anything, there’s a game in some sport going on and you can bet on anything within that game. It’s not just lines and win or lose. There’s individual player prop bets. There’s within the quarter or the period or the half.

0:15:48.8 Mike Vacanti: What’s going to happen? You can literally bet on so many things. I’m worried about where it’s headed and I kind of miss the days when it wasn’t legal and sports betting was more of a black market or wasn’t online so you couldn’t just do it from the comfort of your own home. I think it’s going to lead to not good outcomes for a lot of men primarily in society. And sports betting is a negative sum game, which means the total player pool loses money over time. If you think of a zero sum game, Jordan and I play one on one poker and we’re playing for $50. One of us wins 50, the other one loses 50, it nets out to zero. A positive sum game is something like the stock market, where because the pie grows over time, everyone involved can actually benefit and gain. So we want to be playing positive sum games. A negative sum game is the house, the casino, the online site takes a rake. And so if you and I and a bunch of other people are sports betting, the total amount of money lost is greater than the amount of money won because that’s how the company is making money on the spread of every bet.

0:17:14.0 Mike Vacanti: And so I’m just not super pumped about it and I don’t have a solution. But if you have a gambling problem, get help.

0:17:23.9 Jordan Syatt: Where are you seeing this? Are you seeing these on social media? Where are you seeing these ads?

0:17:30.1 Mike Vacanti: People sponsoring, or these companies sponsoring various podcasts.

0:17:34.6 Jordan Syatt: Got it, got it, got it. Okay.

0:17:36.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, but also, like during the NFL season this year, gambling was always a huge no, no. And it wasn’t discussed and it wasn’t part of pro sports. And now it is. Now it’s like fully integrated and all of these sites are affiliated with these leagues and have deals with the leagues and are running commercials and advertisements during games. It’s just, it’s not good.

0:18:02.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, even I don’t know how it is with like football and all that. But I know in the fighting world, the fighters will be sponsored by these sports betting companies and then the fighters will say, hey, here’s who I’m betting on, go bet on… If you want, you can take my bets. It’s actually like a very smart move from the company. Like, hey, you just tell them who you think is going to win and then they can go place their own bets. And so they’re essentially doing influencer marketing where they pay the fighter to promote their company. Yeah, I thought you were going to take a different spin on this. I thought the way you were going to go with it was these companies are doing well. More people are sports betting, which means if anyone is listening and they’re spending money on sports betting, you better fucking stop right now. I thought you were going to be like, if you’re not happy with the economy, you’re not happy with your income, you’re not happy with money, but you’re also spending money on sports betting, you’re a fucking idiot. I thought you were gonna go down that route.

0:19:02.0 Mike Vacanti: I’m sympathetic to it because… I’m sympathetic to it in the same way I’m sympathetic to an alcoholic or I’m sympathetic to anyone who’s struggling with that kind of problem, because it’s real.

0:19:15.4 Jordan Syatt: It’s a real addiction. Have you seen people with that when you were gambling? Did you ever see people who were really struggling with it?

0:19:23.2 Mike Vacanti: I’ve heard stories. Like, I know of people. No one, yeah, I’ve seen it. I’ve seen it. A story just popped into my head. Yeah. Yep. I mean, it can ruin families. It can end lives. It’s really not good.

0:19:43.7 Jordan Syatt: My grandfather was, he had a big issue with betting on horses. And that’s why I never wanted to get into gambling. So when I would go to Vegas with Gary, I would never go to the floor. I would never gamble. And then, you know that story that one time I’m working out in the hotel of the Cosmopolitan, and this guy was like, hey, you want to go down to the floor and gamble? And I was like, no, man, I don’t want to do that. And he’s like, you drink for free. And I was like, what? He’s like, if you’re gambling, you drink for free. I was like, they give you free drinks if you gamble? I mean, in my head, that’s genius, because then you just get them gambling more and more and more and more. But I was like, all right, yeah, let’s go. And then we go. I think it was roulette is what it was, is what I played?

0:20:31.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, you were playing roulette.

0:20:33.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. And then I made, I think I made like 700 bucks playing roulette. And then I took that guy, and we got steaks, and I was like, this is free money. But I thought that…

0:20:46.8 Mike Vacanti: He was just a stranger?

0:20:48.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. We were just working out together. Like, I was hitting the heavy bag in the Cosmopolitan gym.

0:20:53.9 Mike Vacanti: Okay.

0:20:54.5 Jordan Syatt: And then he was hitting the heavy bag. And then we started going alternating rounds. He’d go for however long. I’d go for however long. And we just started talking, and then he was like, you want to go to the floor? And so we went down together. We gambled together. We both made money, went and got steaks. And by the time we finished the steaks, it was probably, I don’t know, 1:00 AM. And I figured I’d come up with a system where I was like, I just made like 700 bucks so easily. So the next morning, I was going to coach, I coached Gary early morning, probably like seven or something. So I got up early, I went back to my hotel room, slept for a few hours, got up early, lost like 300 bucks. I was like, I’m done.

0:21:37.5 Mike Vacanti: No, no, no. You like, you got a coffee. You’re like, you treated it like you were going to work, like you were grabbing your lunch pail. You’re like, this is how I’m going to make a lot of money.

0:21:46.5 Jordan Syatt: I’m moving to Vegas. I’m leaving the fitness industry. I’m gonna make 700 bucks a day.

0:21:50.2 Mike Vacanti: I’m pretty sure you woke up at 4:30 in the morning before a 7:00 AM workout, got a coffee, got focused, went and sat down. You’re like, all right, I’m here. I’m at work.

0:21:58.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. ‘Cause when I went to bed after having won 700 bucks, I had that high. I was like, I can’t believe that. That was so easy. So then I set my alarm, got up early, went downstairs, got a coffee, went to work, lost 300 bucks, and I never gambled again. I was like, that was it. I’m done.

0:22:16.8 Mike Vacanti: And by the way, if it’s something you take pleasure in and you take an annual trip to Vegas, or you go one or two or three or four times a year to the local casino, and you have set limits and you’re okay losing money because everyone loses money in the long run at table games. Everyone, nobody beats roulette in the long run, you can’t beat roulette in the long run, you physically cannot. It’s impossible. It’s mathematically impossible. The casino has the edge. You are the underdog. I don’t know what at 55, 45, or 54, 46, I feel like there sometimes are, it’s usually zero and double zero in roulette, but sometimes there’s a third zero, and sometimes there might even be one zero. So, the odds are a little bit different, but you’re always the underdog. That’s why they’re feeding you free drinks because they can take the loss on the drinks because they’re making money on you gambling. Now here’s the problem. When it creeps into your living room and it’s there all the time, it’s this insidious dopaminergic temptation that is right in your hand at all times, with games on all the time.

0:23:27.0 Mike Vacanti: And then advertisers, and these ad reads are so ridiculous. It’s like if you think you’re pretty good at, like if you know ball, if you know sports you can probably win some money on here. It’s encouraging. I hate to say this, it’s encouraging low IQ individuals to lose their money to these companies.

0:23:46.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. They’re taking advantage of them. Makes total sense.

0:23:48.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. And not just low. There’s brilliant people who get addicted to gambling too. But the way that I hear these ad reads are almost like they’re talking down on idiots.

0:24:00.0 Jordan Syatt: That makes sense. That makes total sense. Yeah. It’s sad. So don’t be spending money on gambling unless you’ve got it under control. And even then you don’t want to lose control.

0:24:09.4 Mike Vacanti: That’s a good sign off right there. Did you happen to see this? Popped on my YouTube feed last night. A Matt D’Avella video saying that he is quitting watching the news.

0:24:26.0 Jordan Syatt: No. Is it recent?

0:24:27.5 Mike Vacanti: It was within the last couple of weeks. I believe it might have even been within the last week, actually.

0:24:32.0 Jordan Syatt: Was it good?

0:24:32.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. He makes great videos in general, but the content of this one spoke to me. We don’t need to go way into it. If the title catches anyone’s attention, go for it. But I really enjoyed it. And for years I have felt like news made my life worse.

0:24:51.8 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:24:53.5 Mike Vacanti: And he went on to talk about how it’s, we have news everywhere now. It’s not just the five channels that you grew up with, but it’s literally all over social media. And so anytime you’re scrolling, you’re seeing news. And so for him to delete the news or to not consume news, he deleted all his social media apps. I actually think he’s been doing it for quite some time and just made the video recently, like maybe a year without news. But it’s worth checking out if that video title catches anyone’s attention. And he plays a lot. He’s like, I know I’m going to get a lot of hate for this. And it seems like a very privileged position.

0:25:34.5 Jordan Syatt: I hate when people say that. I hate when people say that.

0:25:36.8 Mike Vacanti: You’re in a position where you can just be uninformed, good for you. But he pushes back against that and challenges people to really consider whether or not being informed about all of the atrocities happening across the entire world and not acting upon them.

0:25:56.8 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, they’re not even doing anything about it.

0:25:57.9 Mike Vacanti: I’m adding my 2 cents, they’re not acting upon them, if that’s making your life better or if that’s making your life worse. And especially because the news has such a negativity bias, because that gets more eyeballs, which generates more money for these companies. If knowing about all the bad things is making your life better or worse.

0:26:17.4 Jordan Syatt: Dude, I was listening to a rabbi talk about this within the last couple days and he said something, he might have quoted another rabbi, but he said something to the effect of imagine if every time you saw something that made you sigh, like, ugh, like about how bad the world is, every time you saw something that made you sigh, you took action to resolve that thing. And imagine if everyone, every time they saw something that made them sigh, ugh, you took an action, then there wouldn’t be those things anymore because we would all collectively be taking an action to do it. And if you were doing it every single time, you wouldn’t be able to have a full time job. You wouldn’t be able, like it would be taking up all of your time. So inherently all of these things that you’re sighing about are not leading to action. It’s just making you feel horrible. Yeah, I am completely on board with that. Here’s something that’s really interesting. So I follow, not just large accounts, but I have many close friends who are on the left and many close friends who are on the right politically.

0:27:21.0 Jordan Syatt: And so their stories pop up on my feed frequently. And it’s so, it’s funny to me, it’s interesting to me is a better word. Because friends on the left, friends on the right, they’ll post stories from news channels or from… And when I say news channels, I don’t mean CNN or Fox. I mean, what is essentially now news channels which are independent reporters who are making their living on social media reporting about this stuff, they’re posting about the same stories, but they’re posting them from a left wing perspective and then from a right wing perspective. And I will literally get these stories back to back where I’ll get someone who’s on the left posting about something. And it could be especially one thing right now is related to ICE, to the ICE arrests and people who are going to be Deported. So I’m getting the left wing view of it and then I’m getting the right wing view of it. And literally back to back stories from people who are on. And it’s a unique perspective to go back to back and see the left wing approach and the right wing approach in terms of how they frame certain things, what they’re highlighting, what they’re not highlighting.

0:28:28.7 Jordan Syatt: And it’s crazy just because both sides are being manipulated, both sides with these propaganda based posts even now, and this is what’s unfortunate is we’re seeing even now independent reporters who are falling for the same traps that the mainstream media fell for. So independent reporters, I think, it’s been better than the mainstream, whether it was CNN or Fox or whatever, because they’ve been able to be more, stay true to what they believe and trying to be factual, like real journalism, like those things used to be. But now they’re realizing they can make money on social media and they can get advertisers and they can build their audience bigger and they realize they’re not getting as many views as they were getting before so they start changing the way that they present topics in order to get more views and likes and clicks, which will then lead to more money, more sponsorships, et cetera. And even if it’s not sponsorships or money yet, their currency is likes and views and followers. That’s their currency right now. And so here’s what, what’s really important to understand is every single post you see, the reason you’re seeing that post has less to do with you following that person and more to do with that post doing really well in the algorithm.

0:29:52.9 Jordan Syatt: That’s the reason why you’re seeing that post. The way that the algorithm currently works is not based on who you follow as much as it is based on how well that post is doing in the entire world of billions of billions of posts going out that day. So even independent journalists now, both right and left, even people who are, who you’d hope are more unbiased and more objective, are now falling for the same traps of trying to increase their ratings, increase their views, increase their numbers. And so I see these, the same story presented two different ways, done in a very manipulative way, designed to get more in outrage, more the rage bait type stuff that is not fully accurate, that is not fully nuanced. And I see my friends sharing them on both sides, and it’s like not only is this not helping, it’s actively hurting because it’s misinforming you. And the worst part about it is it’s creating more division because it makes you, it seem like the other side is evil. That’s how it’s presented, it’s presented as the only way someone could vote for this, the only way someone could support this is if they’re evil.

0:31:02.0 Jordan Syatt: And that’s where I keep seeing this going further and further and further and further on both sides. And it’s really bad. So stop watching the news. Including a lot of these independent people who are deliberately going out of their way to try and make it… You know who doesn’t do this who I’ve been super impressed with. It’s called Roca R-O-C-A, RocaNews. Or I think it’s Ride the Wave (@ridethenews) potentially. Roca News is the only one, not the only one, one of the only ones I’ve found that presents news stories. So RocaNews, R-O-C-A News, they’re the only ones I found that present things in a very objective and non sensationalized way. Just educating around what’s happening, not taking a side. What’s funny though is sometimes they’ll post something that might appear more left leaning and then in the comments you get all the conservatives being like, God, you’re left wing shills. And then another time they’ll post something that might appear more right leaning and then all the lefts will be like, oh you’re such, like you’re MAGA, whatever, whatever it is. And it’s like all they do is they just objectively post what we know to be true, not necessarily supporting one side.

0:32:13.7 Jordan Syatt: And anytime it could potentially go against the ideology of one of the sides, the other side comes out and absolutely loses it. They’ve done a great job, but I haven’t found anyone else who does as good of a job as them.

0:32:25.5 Mike Vacanti: Let’s go Roca. Good for them. Yeah man, you’re preaching. I mean, as you’re saying all of that, what’s coming to me is it’s almost like an unintentional consequence of the way the algorithms work, which are created for the profit of the social media companies, but have the unintended consequence of creating more division via more polarization, via people trying to make more engaging headlines and content. Not good.

0:33:11.3 Jordan Syatt: Not good.

0:33:12.1 Mike Vacanti: Not good. So I might go the Matty D route and just just do away with it, at least for a while, see how it Feels.

0:33:19.8 Jordan Syatt: What does that look like for you? Because you don’t watch mainstream news?

0:33:24.2 Mike Vacanti: It would mean that I’d have to delete all of my social media and not open it, which doesn’t sound so bad if you ask me.

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0:33:34.8 Jordan Syatt: You’re pretty good at that though. You don’t scroll.

0:33:37.2 Mike Vacanti: I’m streaky. I’ll scroll, I’ll scroll a little. I haven’t been doom scrolling but Twitter, it’s just not good.

0:33:43.9 Jordan Syatt: It’s bad.

0:33:44.2 Mike Vacanti: It’s not good. Replacing is the big thing.

0:33:47.8 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:33:49.0 Mike Vacanti: So finding something to do in place of that.

0:33:51.6 Jordan Syatt: Exercise.

0:33:53.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, that’s a great one. More activity.

0:33:55.2 Jordan Syatt: So that’s one.

0:33:55.9 Mike Vacanti: More activity. Reading is something we’ve mentioned many times that is a skill many have lost here in the year 2025. Yeah. Reading books, specifically things that someone spent a lot of time creating. It’s not just a tweet on a whim. I think someone he brought on as a guest in the video talks about the 100 to one rule, which is he only wants to be consuming something that took the person 100 times as long to create it as it takes to consume it, which is like a filter for higher quality information on average.

0:34:44.3 Jordan Syatt: Interesting. Yeah.

0:34:46.1 Mike Vacanti: But yeah, that’s even today in the gym, some TVs in the gym and I threw one of these. Just not even looking. Didn’t even want to see that. CNN…

0:34:56.9 Jordan Syatt: Do you know what they had on or no?

0:34:58.5 Mike Vacanti: Oh, it’s all news and… Like there’s some sports channels and some news channels. It’s just. Yeah, the home gym. That’s another benefit of the home gym, don’t have that.

0:35:07.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Dude, I liked watching the hockey game with you when you were here.

0:35:09.8 Mike Vacanti: Did you?

0:35:10.1 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Dude, that was super fun.

0:35:11.8 Mike Vacanti: I wasn’t sure what percentage of it was you’re just a good friend and person and ESTP and went with the thing that I would like to do as a host and I’m the guest or how much of it was, I know you had a phase maybe a year plus ago where you were really into hockey and you enjoy watching hockey.

0:35:29.3 Jordan Syatt: Dude, I enjoy hockey. Yeah, hockey is my favorite team sport.

0:35:31.5 Mike Vacanti: Nice.

0:35:32.0 Jordan Syatt: Probably because it’s the only sport that allows fighting.

0:35:34.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, that’s pretty sweet.

0:35:35.3 Jordan Syatt: It’s the only team sport. It’s the only non fighting sport that actively allows fighting. It’s really cool.

0:35:42.0 Mike Vacanti: The two things about hockey that bring in casual fans are the fighting and the fact that you’re skating on ice.

0:35:52.8 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, yeah.

0:35:53.5 Mike Vacanti: Which is just a new element to the game that most sports don’t have.

0:35:56.9 Jordan Syatt: I mean, the athleticism is wild. You see like how fast they move, how fast they stop. And all you have to do is try and ice skate one time to realize how extraordinary it is to see how quickly they move their agility on ice. Like you get on ice one time and all of a sudden you’re like, okay, that’s actually. And then never mind you’re handling a stick and this tiny little puck and you got someone trying to check you at the same… The absolute athleticism, kinesthetic awareness, the balance, the agility. It’s just, it’s unbelievable.

0:36:25.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, the Minnesota State High school hockey tournament was on. And so we were watching one of the quarterfinal games on Thursday night.

0:36:32.5 Jordan Syatt: Well, I asked you because you said it’s the Minnesota State High school. And I got worried because basically anytime you see high school, even high school versus college, nevermind high school versus professional, there’s a massive difference in what you’re watching. And you were like, no, this is really good hockey. And we turned it on. I couldn’t believe how fast they were moving, how hard their shots were. Number nine on Edina. Are you kidding me? That dude, unbelievable. The athleticism displayed by these high school kids. And then it was only when you see them with their helmets off sliding up to the camera that you’re like, oh my gosh, these kids, they’re babies. But they’re super athletic. And in the post game interviews when he’s talking to the camera, that’s really where I felt I saw the biggest difference between the high school kids and the pros is they’re just not as used to being on cameras, talking to the camera. They’re high school kids, but their athleticism was insane.

0:37:29.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. The media training isn’t there.

0:37:31.6 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:37:32.6 Mike Vacanti: And that’s what’s so cool about the tournament is these 16, 17, 18 year olds are playing in front of 20,000 fans at the Xcel Energy Center. And another somewhere half a million to a million streaming, I believe. I didn’t get the final numbers, but usually they’re playing in front of hundreds or maybe thousands. And then to play in front of that many people is a really special moment for these kids, which is part of what makes it so fun. But you’re also right, just the different states have different sports that are their strengths. And Minnesota hockey is like, Indiana basketball, is like Texas football or Florida football. It’s just, it’s good hockey.

0:38:13.6 Jordan Syatt: Iowa wrestling. Yeah.

0:38:16.5 Mike Vacanti: Oh, Iowa wrestling?

0:38:18.0 Jordan Syatt: Oh yeah, yeah, for sure.

0:38:19.3 Mike Vacanti: Nice, nice. I didn’t even tell you this. Number nine for Edina, Mason West. Because you picked it out. You were like this guy’s shot is unbelievable. I think you actually said it’s just a matter of time before he starts burying goals. In the semifinals…

0:38:37.1 Jordan Syatt: He had a hat trick, right?

0:38:38.1 Mike Vacanti: Oh, yeah. I did tell you he had a hat trick. Yeah.

0:38:39.9 Jordan Syatt: And they still lost 4-3, which is devastating.

0:38:42.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:38:43.2 Jordan Syatt: No, but you can see, I mean, I’m not a numbers guy, but like, it’s a numbers game. More shots on net the better. But not only was he taking more shots on net, but his shots were so fricking strong. The speed, it was hard to keep an eye on the puck. It was like, he just… And he kept finding open space. He kept finding open space. And I would imagine the opposing team, like, the guy was huge. They were like, I’m not touching this guy. That wouldn’t be fun to get wrecked by that dude. So, yeah, it makes total sense that he got a hat trick.

0:39:15.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. The state championship was wild too. It was a 7-6 game.

0:39:19.9 Jordan Syatt: Oh, my gosh. That’s a high scoring game.

0:39:22.6 Mike Vacanti: It’s a high scoring hockey game. Yeah.

0:39:24.3 Jordan Syatt: Wow.

0:39:24.9 Mike Vacanti: Want to go into questions?

0:39:26.9 Jordan Syatt: People who should not be taking GLP-1s.

0:39:30.5 Mike Vacanti: Do you want to talk about that?

0:39:31.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. So, I mean, listen, I think I’ve been very open in my support of them, but I’ve also been very open in my understanding that people are abusing them, just like people can abuse any drug. I’ll start with where sort of how I’ve progressed in my thoughts towards them. The first, my initial thought was it should only be used by people who are severely struggling with type 2 diabetes and especially if they’re very, very overweight as well. And that has transitioned into that plus people who struggle with severe binge eating disorder and potentially the accompanying food noise that come with that. With that being said, we also have to understand like with anything, there are risks that come with it. And so then you have to weigh out. Okay, let’s say you’re a person who has food noise, who potentially has some binge eating tendencies. Not horrifying binge eating tendencies, not binge eating that’s ruining your life, but you occasionally binge, maybe you have a slightly higher body fat than you want, then you have to ask yourself, is taking a GLP-1 or something similar worth the risk relative to continuing with the current issues that you have, occasional binge eating, maybe more food noise and being able to work on those.

0:41:09.8 Jordan Syatt: That is something that the individual has to discuss, there’s no, I think, definitive answer yes, or no, you have to make that decision on your own. The main people who I don’t think should be taking GLP-1s are the people who are, they don’t really struggle with severe food noise. They’re literally just doing it for an aesthetic purpose of losing a little bit of extra weight because they just don’t like being hungry in a calorie deficit and they just want to make their calorie deficit easier and they don’t have much weight to lose. That is, I think the people who are abusing it. Oftentimes we’re looking at wealthier individuals who have more expendable income who are trying to fit into a certain crowd, look a certain way at the gym or among their friends who just want to look a certain way. And it has nothing to do or very little to do with actually improving their relationship with food or actually improving their health at all. When it’s coming purely from an esthetic perspective, I think it’s absolutely not worth the risk. So, yeah, that is the group that I would say is definitively no, every other group there, I think there’s more nuance to. I think the goal should be, if you are using them, to eventually come off of them. I think that’s the ultimate goal. I don’t think the goal should be to stay on them forever. There are some people who will be on them forever.

0:42:34.5 Mike Vacanti: Is that the goal of, the consensus position of the doctors who are prescribing them is to get their patients off of them?

0:42:44.0 Jordan Syatt: I would have to look at if they’re taking any money for prescribing them. Like I think a good doctor would say the ultimate goal…

0:42:50.2 Mike Vacanti: But from the doctors you know or have spoken to or just seen their content…

0:42:57.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, from what I’ve seen, the doctors I know personally that I’ve spoken to and who have, I know they have people’s best interests at heart, the ultimate goal would be to get them off of it. Many of them, once they go off of it, a lot of the issues come back. So the next best thing is a massively reduced dose. So something that you’re not, it’s not like the, your maintenance dose is much lower than your other dose than like when you’re in the process of losing weight, improving your health. So the best goal is completely off of it altogether. But if that’s not doable yet potentially then just having a severely, a seriously reduced dose is their goal. So I think ultimately, yes, they would want them to be off of it completely. I don’t know any doctor worth their salt who is excited or happy about putting people on medications for life. It’s just for anything. Even like blood pressure, like the ultimate goal would be to get you off blood pressure medication, but some people, they just need to be on it all the time.

0:44:00.5 Jordan Syatt: It’s just like, it’s just what you need to do for. I mean, we could even look at HRT type stuff. Whether it’s estrogen, whether it’s testosterone. You get to a certain age, it’s like, yeah, ultimately I would prefer that you’re not on that. I’d prefer you don’t need to take this. But like, if this is what you need to do in order to improve your quality of life, to improve so many other health markers, then I’m totally fine with that. But I would prefer ultimately you don’t need anything. I think this is one of those bipartisan issues that I think we could all agree on where it’s like, we all agree on both sides of the aisle, in an ideal world, we don’t need to take anything extra. We don’t need any extra medications. But not to demonize anything, but I think there’s no one in their right mind who’d be like, I would prefer to be on medications than not all things being equal. It’s like, no, everyone would rather just live without having to take anything, you know?

0:44:54.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. The doctors I have seen, and it could be like a sampling bias, but have just compared GLP-1s to statins or blood pressure medication and said, no, why would we take you off of this? It’s just like insert drug that is a lifelong drug has been what I have seen more of. I also still haven’t seen many, if any real success stories of someone losing an amount of body fat and weight that took them from very unhealthy to healthy and then came off of the GLP-1 completely and maintained that progress. I haven’t seen that yet. They’re also, I know that yes, technically there were some people on them in the ’50s, but like, as far as more mainstream usage, they’re very new. So maybe in time I will have heard anecdotes of people who made substantial progress and then came off of them. I’m with you on the population that shouldn’t be taking them, which is lose those last five pounds, lose those last nine pounds. Improved aesthetics, like wanting to be real thin, Hollywood, et cetera.

0:46:30.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, food noise is an interesting one to me because that’s a term that basically didn’t exist prior to, I don’t know, 18 to 24 months ago. Or maybe it was called something different.

0:46:44.7 Jordan Syatt: No. So I think the reason food noise has exploded in terms of usage is because it existed, but we didn’t have a term for it. Like, what people experience existed, but we didn’t have a name that really made sense for it. Like I think before it was like, I feel like I’m just obsessed with food. It’s all I think about, da da da da. And people who struggled with binge eating or anorexia or bulimia a lot of times, like that’s something that they would relate to. But the term food noise is a relatively new term that also I feel like people are now co-opting who probably don’t struggle with it because they’re like, oh yeah, I think about food sometimes. It’s like, no, no, it’s like when people say I’m binge eating, it’s like, then I’m like, so tell me what you mean by binge eating. Like, yeah, sometimes I just, I eat a little bit more than I should. Okay, so you’re not actually binge eating. Like they would say they’re binge eating, but they’re not. Whereas when someone is actually struggling with binge eating, it’s different.

0:47:46.4 Jordan Syatt: And then you’re like, when you explain what binge eating is to these people, they’re like, oh no, I’m not doing that. I just sometimes like to eat a little bit more. It’s like, okay, got it. So we’re talking about two very different things. I think food noise, it’s a new term that describes a phenomenon that has been going on for a while.

0:48:02.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. And obviously somebody who has an eating disorder, like binge eating, I mean, anorexia, you’re not putting someone with anorexia on a GLP-1, but someone potentially bulimia, I don’t know, I haven’t thought that through. But somebody who has binge eating disorder should work with a healthcare professional, obviously, and come up with the correct solution to help them live better and be healthier physically and mentally. Yeah. I think food noise, I think you’re absolutely right that it’s been co-opted by people who don’t have binge eating disorder. I also think that it’s not only on a spectrum of how much you think about food, but it’s also not a set in stone genetic. Like, there are lifestyle factors…

0:49:14.8 Jordan Syatt: 100%

0:49:17.5 Mike Vacanti: And behaviors that can increase and decrease the amount that you’re thinking about food, whether it’s massive all the time or whether you have a “perfect relationship” with food, sleep, usage of technology, like how you’re treating your neurotransmitters, whether you’re unbelievably lean and trying to be in a deficit consistently versus eating an appropriate amount of calories, what types of foods you are eating, and whether those are leading you to feel full and satisfied and good or not. The amount of stress in your life and obviously how we interpret stress can make a difference in whether that stress is good or bad. But how stressed a person is often is correlated with how much they’re eating or how much they want to be eating. And so…

0:50:18.0 Jordan Syatt: You know what the main one is that, and as someone who’s struggled with food noise since I had binge eating for so many years due to wrestling, is what foods are you keeping in your house? That’s the number one thing. It’s like, what foods do you have readily available? Which, by the way, when I was living in New York City, it was way more difficult because even though it wasn’t in.

0:50:37.7 Mike Vacanti: Hey.

0:50:39.9 Jordan Syatt: What?

0:50:40.3 Mike Vacanti: I made this point to you maybe 20 or 30 episodes ago, maybe it was off the air. I actually don’t even know. No, I think it was on the air because I was talking about keeping it in your house. And you’re like, dude, it doesn’t matter if it’s in your house. If I want it, I’m gonna go get it.

0:50:55.5 Jordan Syatt: Well, it’s true, because what I’m about to say is when I was in New York City, it was more difficult even if it wasn’t in my house, because…

0:51:04.9 Mike Vacanti: CVS is across the street.

0:51:05.9 Jordan Syatt: Right across the street, it’s right there. Now when I live in bumfuck Texas, in the middle of nowhere, it’s like, I’m not driving 30 minutes to go do that. And because it’s less of an option, it’s not as big of an issue. But I still stand by that. Especially if you’re more adjacent to food options that aren’t in your home. But if…

0:51:30.6 Mike Vacanti: The research is clear about food environment and outcomes. Yeah. I’m with you.

0:51:32.1 Jordan Syatt: 100%. Yeah. So, yeah, that I think is probably the biggest one. I mean, it’s like an alcoholic. It’s like, you don’t keep the alcohol in your house. Like it’s easier to avoid a bar than it is to avoid the alcohol that’s in your own kitchen.

0:51:52.9 Mike Vacanti: Absolutely. It’s easier to avoid the casino than it is to avoid the sports betting app on your phone.

0:51:58.2 Jordan Syatt: Yes, exactly. That’s exactly right. I was thinking the term food noise. So when people want ADHD medication, they’ll go to a doctor, they’ll be like, oh, I just, I’m so distracted. It’s hard to stay focused. They have all these words that they use.

0:52:13.2 Mike Vacanti: Yep.

0:52:14.3 Jordan Syatt: When dudes want to get on test, they’ll be like, oh, I just have low energy, low sex drive. Like all this stuff, they have all these terms. Now people are using the term I have food noise when they’re trying to get prescribed GLP-1s.

0:52:28.1 Mike Vacanti: Interesting.

0:52:28.8 Jordan Syatt: Even though they might not actually struggle with it, or maybe they do, but it’s like they’re exaggerating it in order to get that medication, it’s now become one of those things, which is unfortunate because the people who legitimately struggle with food noise, it’s a real fucking problem. On the other hand, here’s an interesting take that I think people will be surprised to hear. And you know who too has spoken about this a lot and who’s been correct about it is the guys at Mind Pump is that the more popular these things become and the more demand that there is around it, the more affordable they’re actually going to become because competitors will come out and make them more affordable. And that’s actually what we’ve seen with the CGMs which went complete, this is, they proved me wrong with this. I was wrong. When I did the CGM experiment with the blood sugar, I was very adamant, saying, I don’t want people buying these because people who need them aren’t able to get them. And the guys at Mind Pump, they’re like, just so you know, when more people get them, more competitors are going to come out and make them more readily accessible for people.

0:53:38.3 Jordan Syatt: And that’s what’s happened. Now CGMs have become more accessible, more affordable, which, I mean, this is economics 101. I just, I overlooked it. I wasn’t aware of it. And so I think that’s what we’re starting to see now with the. What we will see over time is these things as there’s a more demand for it, which I don’t necessarily think is a good thing, but is realistically what’s happening. As there’s more demand for it, competitors will come out and make it more accessible for everybody. That is an interesting component and I’m not saying that’s good or bad, I’m just saying that it’s another thing to consider.

0:54:12.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, they get cheaper then they’re going to get even more, it’ll be even more tempting for people to want to use them. To answer to, I guess give like a final my answer to the question, if you were my child, I would say if you are physically unhealthy, obese/type 2 diabetes and you have done everything in your power to lose weight, get healthy, build good habits, you’ve tried many times and you haven’t been successful in doing so, then I would say try a GLP-1. I’m for it in that situation. I’m still of the belief that the unknown long term risks of the GLP-1 are greater than consensus opinion around them. I’m not an early adopter on long term usage of something that we don’t really know what it’s doing to our brain…

0:55:17.4 Jordan Syatt: Of course. Yeah.

0:55:19.5 Mike Vacanti: In the long term. Hold on. Yeah, yeah. The brain freaks me out more though. But yes. But what, you think like GI as well?

0:55:29.7 Jordan Syatt: Who knows, like cancer? You have no idea. We have no idea. We just, we don’t know yet.

0:55:34.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. So I would estimate that the long term unknown risks of the GLP-1 are not as dangerous as the known long term risks of…

0:55:45.5 Jordan Syatt: Obesity.

0:55:45.6 Mike Vacanti: Obesity.

0:55:47.9 Jordan Syatt: Type 2 diabetes, all that.

0:55:52.3 Mike Vacanti: Yes. Yes.

0:55:53.3 Jordan Syatt: 100%.

0:55:54.2 Mike Vacanti: So that is the population and I will throw the caveat of you’ve genuinely tried many times, probably over a multi year window to make fat loss progress and you haven’t been able to, cool. This will probably be better for you. And then I’m not going to touch on eating disorders because it’s not my specialty or I’m not qualified, it’s not my wheelhouse. It’s…

0:56:22.8 Jordan Syatt: You better be doing, if you’re taking a GLP, and this is for everyone, but especially if you’re taking a GLP-1, if you’re not strength training, what the fuck? That’s real stupid.

0:56:33.1 Mike Vacanti: Strength training. Getting a lot of protein in.

0:56:34.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:56:35.2 Mike Vacanti: Like more than even someone who’s basically more than anyone, I would argue because most people who start on a GLP-1…

0:56:46.1 Jordan Syatt: Are like on a rapid fat loss style…

0:56:48.8 Mike Vacanti: Are in the biggest deficits and so from the perspective of maintaining lean mass, and that is the population that needs even more than a gram per pound of body weight…

0:57:00.0 Jordan Syatt: Correct.

0:57:00.5 Mike Vacanti: People who are in a significant calorie deficit. Getting adequate micronutrients, it’s easy when you don’t have an appetite. I’ve worked with many clients now at this point on GLP-1s. It’s easy to “crap food” and be in a huge deficit and just watch the pounds come off. From the perspective of your overall health, from the perspective of immune function, which can be suppressed in the huge deficit as well. Like getting micronutrient dense foods is a really good idea even though you don’t have an appetite. So you’re unlikely to want to be eating some of those things. But that’s smart. But yeah, strength training, high protein intake, 100%.

0:57:42.8 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. It’s strength training obviously for the muscle, but also bone density. I mean we’re seeing lack of nutrients.

0:57:50.3 Mike Vacanti: Go hand in hand.

0:57:52.6 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. 100%. Yeah.

0:57:52.7 Mike Vacanti: Any other, I mean those are the two biggest things to focus on a GLP-1 for sure.

0:58:01.7 Jordan Syatt: Like what else you should be focusing on aside.

0:58:03.6 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:58:05.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I think, listen, you just touched on it, which is getting enough micronutrients and not just eating junk. I think it’s very easy because people have this problem. And let’s just assume everyone taking it is using it and they actually need it. They have legitimate food noise. They’ve got, whether they have legitimate food noise and a lot of weight to lose or they have a lot of weight to lose, maybe not so much food noise either way. They have a legitimate issue. It’s very easy to allow the GLP-1 to almost be like a Band-Aid and then to not focus on things that you should also be focusing on, which is food quality. It’s very easy to have your appetite be suppressed significantly and then continue eating the same foods that you’ve been eating in fewer quantities and experience that weight loss effect. It should not get in the way of your education around food. It should not get in the way of your practical application of improving the quality of what you eat. It should, ideally, and people who struggle with food noise, they know exactly what I’m talking about.

0:59:23.1 Jordan Syatt: Food noise is difficult because it takes up every waking moment of your life when you really struggle with it, it’s all you think about is food. It’s hard to be a good parent when you have so much food noise. It’s hard to be a good employee or employer. It’s hard to be good at anything else because it’s just all you’re thinking about, it’s hard to have a conversation with someone. So what this can do is it can free up your brain to say, okay, now you’re not thinking about it all the time, so let’s actually be productive, let’s do something else. And with that productivity should come many things, not least of which more time spent educating yourself and practically taking action on fueling yourself properly. Not just going for the quick dopamine fix, not just going for the highly processed foods. Let’s actually take this time, which you now have, because you’ve freed up your brain’s ability to think about other things and to act on other things. Let’s actually fuel yourself properly. So ideally one day we can come off. But even if you can’t, even if it’s just a reduced dosage, you have practical skills to fuel yourself properly, to fill up on higher quality foods and to not rely on the drug, but to use the drug as a tool. Not as the tool, not as the fix, but one of the things that can help you. Along with high quality food, high quality exercise, high quality sleep, all of that.

1:00:44.9 Mike Vacanti: One final note from me, I hope that in Mind Pump, Sal is the one who I have heard make this case. I think he was the first person I heard make this case and probably made it the best, was that there is a potential for new neural pathways created by having new habits and behaviors that the GLP-1 lets you partake in. So different food choices, building, losing some body fat, exercise feels better, physiologically and psychologically, you’re more likely to do it. That becomes a habit. You create these new neural pathways and then you can remove the GLP-1, I am still hopeful that that will work, but time will tell. That was a good episode. Sign us off, Jordi.

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1:02:25.9 Mike Vacanti: See you next week.

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