Episode 229: Jordan’s Financial Situation, Guessing Mike’s ATM PIN, Hiring Your First Employee, and More…

0:00:11.7 Mike Vacanti: Hello, Jordan.

0:00:12.6 Jordan Syatt: What’s up, Michael?

0:00:13.7 Mike Vacanti: I’m in a great mood. What’s happening?

0:00:16.3 Jordan Syatt: Sale. Sale is live and it’s ending soon, very soon. Probably by the time you’re hearing this, you might have, what? A day? Two days?

0:00:27.1 Mike Vacanti: We’ll say yeah, a few days, couple days.

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0:01:52.0 Mike Vacanti: I would say sign up for the guru and then 12 to 18 months down the road, we will welcome you with open arms.

0:02:01.4 Jordan Syatt: At a higher price point. Which it’s still less than what the other gurus are.

0:02:06.8 Mike Vacanti: Exactly. A fraction.

0:02:07.8 Jordan Syatt: At a higher price point relative to what it is now.

0:02:11.0 Mike Vacanti: Yes. Yes. That’s absolutely right. Very well said. Sale ends soon. Fitnessbusinessmentorship.com, submit an application. Even if you’re on the fence, submit an application, we’ll see if it makes sense, and we will go from there. How you doing, bro?

0:02:28.2 Jordan Syatt: Dude, I’m good.

0:02:30.1 Mike Vacanti: Give me anger and fear. Anger and fear levels.

0:02:32.7 Jordan Syatt: Oh, man.

0:02:33.3 Mike Vacanti: Real quick.

0:02:34.2 Jordan Syatt: Well, it’s interesting with everything going on, with the escalations we’re seeing in the Middle east. So like, it’s not based on… Actually, you know what? So anger, I would say is… Oh, man. Honestly, Overall, pretty good. I’d say low. Anger and fear are relatively Low.

0:02:57.0 Mike Vacanti: Nice. Give me some numbers. One to a hundred.

0:03:03.0 Jordan Syatt: Anger is lower than fear. Anger is probably like a 12.

0:03:09.0 Mike Vacanti: Wow!

0:03:10.6 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Low anger.

0:03:11.4 Mike Vacanti: That’s your lowest it’s ever been for you.

0:03:11.9 Jordan Syatt: Yes. Super low anger and fear is a little bit higher, I would say. Fear is probably in the 80s, realistically.

0:03:23.7 Mike Vacanti: Okay.

0:03:24.3 Jordan Syatt: Just like family in Israel and all that, it’s a little bit intense and things are escalating, but very optimistic.

0:03:34.7 Mike Vacanti: Good. Good.

0:03:36.3 Jordan Syatt: Where are your fear and anger at?

0:03:39.3 Mike Vacanti: Anger is at a one and fear is at a two.

0:03:43.6 Jordan Syatt: Wow. So fear is higher than your anger.

0:03:47.6 Mike Vacanti: On a scale of 1 to 100, that’s what you take from that.

0:03:50.2 Jordan Syatt: It’s actually double. Your fear is double your anger, if we’re gonna manipulate the stats.

0:03:55.3 Mike Vacanti: That’s not even manipulating. Those are the stats.

0:03:58.5 Jordan Syatt: What’s your caffeine intake like?

0:04:00.1 Mike Vacanti: Pretty low. 

0:04:01.6 Jordan Syatt: Wow.

0:04:02.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. For the first couple weeks of dad life, it was high. And high caffeine for me just leads to bad things. And so, I’ve gone on this diatribe a million times. But hammering the pleasure side of the pleasure-pain balance to hard for too long puts you in a pain deficit. So trying to avoid. And caffeine is a pleasure. It is dopaminergic. And so, I do best… And there’s huge individuality here and personal preference. Some people do amazing on more caffeine than the American Heart association recommends. Like 400 or 500, 600 milligrams a day and somehow sleep seven, eight hours and seem to be doing really well. I’m doing like half a cup of coffee on non lifting days and on lifting days I’m doing like four sips of coffee and one scoop of pre workout has been my thing lately. 

0:04:59.8 Jordan Syatt: Wow. 

0:05:01.1 Mike Vacanti: So like 100 mgs on training or on a rest day and 200 mgs on lifting day.

0:05:06.9 Jordan Syatt: What’s average? I know it’s super volatile, but average night of sleep been like since baby has been born. Generally how many hours of sleep are you getting average?

0:05:21.8 Mike Vacanti: You’re going for the median or the mean?

0:05:23.6 Jordan Syatt: We’ll go the mean.

0:05:25.0 Mike Vacanti: Probably, how many hours of sleep in a 24 hour window?

0:05:31.1 Jordan Syatt: No. I mean at night, not in a 24 hour window. I mean specifically in that nocturnal aspect.

0:05:38.0 Mike Vacanti: Got it. So, between like… 

0:05:40.0 Jordan Syatt: Not nocturnal, that’s the completely wrong word. That is not what I meant at all. I meant at night.

0:05:44.1 Mike Vacanti: Between like 10 and seven. 10 and eight.

0:05:48.0 Jordan Syatt: Oh, I think between 10 and seven hours. Yeah. From like 10P.M to 8A.M.

0:05:54.4 Mike Vacanti: Probably six. 

0:05:56.5 Jordan Syatt: Okay. It’s not bad.

0:05:57.2 Mike Vacanti: No, it’s not bad. And I can’t complain at all. I’m going to vary so slightly, which is I do need more sleep, I think, than the average person. 

0:06:11.3 Jordan Syatt: You love sleep.

0:06:11.4 Mike Vacanti: Feel soft saying that. I don’t love sleep. I hate being sleep deprived. I hate having my hunger cues all jacked up. I hate having like… And honestly, I think I’m just more self aware than most people. I think most people suffer from lack of sleep. They just don’t realize it and put a band aid on it with substances or food or pick your compensatory action for not getting enough sleep or not getting good sleep.

0:06:40.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. That makes sense.

0:06:42.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Dad life is good. Dad life is good. I actually wanted to talk to you about, because I think it would make for an interesting episode, what is going on? And we’re not gonna talk numbers obviously, but just strategy and high level. And it’s related to business, what’s going on in your personal finance world in terms of like…

0:07:05.4 Jordan Syatt: Is that a joke?

0:07:09.6 Mike Vacanti: No. Honestly, dude, you and I spoke like an hour and a half ago, and I was like, what should we pod about today? And you were like, Iran? And I was like, no. And you were like, that’s what I got right now. And then, so after we were done talking, I was like, what should we pod about today? And I was looking through a bunch of questions and personal finance was something that I either saw or popped into my head and I thought would be interesting.

0:07:33.5 Jordan Syatt: All right. Do you want to do both of our personal finances situation or just mine?

0:07:38.8 Mike Vacanti: Just yours.

0:07:40.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, of course. 

0:07:41.5 Mike Vacanti: I’m happy to. I can do mine real quick though. Yours is more interesting.

0:07:44.8 Jordan Syatt: Why is mine more interesting?

0:07:46.4 Mike Vacanti: Because you’re just a beast. You’re out there grinding.

0:07:49.9 Jordan Syatt: I can’t even promise that we’re gonna publish any of this, but let’s give it a shot and we’ll see how it goes.

0:07:55.9 Mike Vacanti: We can keep it, I mean, very vague. And yes, we can talk mine too. I’m talking more like, are you still doing your monthly dollar cost averaging? Like, you and I haven’t even spoken about this off pod, which is why I’m kind of interested.

0:08:09.1 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, let’s do it. Let’s do it.

0:08:10.9 Mike Vacanti: Cool. So are you still DCAing into the market every month?

0:08:16.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. So, for those who don’t know, and basically all of my strategy, I’ve learned from Michael. So it’s not… The DCA is Dollar-Cost Averaging.

0:08:25.9 Mike Vacanti: You were getting some Dave Ramsey content at one point.

0:08:30.1 Jordan Syatt: That’s common sense stuff. That’s not even investment stuff. That’s just like, your greatest asset is your income. Don’t spend it on stupid shit. That’s like the ultimate Dave Ramsey line. 

0:08:41.2 Mike Vacanti: Pretty good point.

0:08:44.0 Jordan Syatt: My wife and I will watch Dave Ramsey clips together and that’s our favorite one, when he just comes up and he’ll just lose his shit at someone. Just be like, how many times do I have to say, your greatest asset is your income? If you don’t have your income, someone else has it. Stop spending. You’re fucking…

0:09:05.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. He’s right.

0:09:07.0 Jordan Syatt: So, Dollar-Cost Averaging is like take a certain amount every month and put it into the market. So I’ve been doing that for years and the amount has changed…

0:09:19.7 Mike Vacanti: Six, seven even years, maybe?

0:09:21.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Probably around there. Which is an incredible blessing because the time goes by anyway, and watching it compound and grow is just like, oh, my gosh. This is what they mean when they say, make your money work for you. It’s extraordinary.

0:09:42.2 Mike Vacanti: What do you mean it’s a blessing?

0:09:44.0 Jordan Syatt: It’s a blessing that I’ve had people like you in my life to be able to tell me, this is what you should do.

0:09:51.1 Mike Vacanti: Thank you.

0:09:52.2 Jordan Syatt: Because I wouldn’t have done that otherwise. And then, these are things where it’s like, if we’re gonna talk about where our tax dollars should be spent, our tax dollars should be spent on like…

0:10:05.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. And this is incredible, by the way. I’m like, hey, let’s talk about personal finance. I want to hear about your personal finances. We’re halfway into question one, you’re like, if we want to talk about how the government should be allocating tax dollars here, let me get political with you.

0:10:19.8 Jordan Syatt: But this is one of those things where it’s like, most people don’t know this stuff. Even people who are educated in other fields it’s like… We should be spending tax dollars on either potential education so people know the options they have for investments and why it makes sense and giving adult education for free. And I don’t know, it does sort of, this would infringe on someone’s freedom, but making it ridiculously easy. I was going to say almost force people to invest a certain amount to dollar-cost average. But for example, that’s one of the cool things about UBI is if we did a UBI but we automatically just put it into the market for them.

0:11:04.6 Mike Vacanti: Well, brother, that’s what Social Security is.

0:11:07.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. That’s true.

0:11:08.6 Mike Vacanti: I mean, if you have we do do that.

0:11:10.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. That’s true. Yeah. I wish…

0:11:13.4 Mike Vacanti: But on the education side, you’re absolutely right. And I don’t think it costs anything from the government. It’s just a little reorg of curriculum. Like, I think high school is the perfect time for it. Get a couple of personal finance classes in there that are, or even one that’s required.

0:11:30.6 Jordan Syatt: So anyway, long story short, I’ve been doing Dollar-Cost Averaging for a number of years. For the first time, we’re considering either stopping or reducing and putting that money into our mortgage, essentially trying to get our mortgage down as quickly as possible.

0:11:48.9 Mike Vacanti: Cool.

0:11:50.1 Jordan Syatt: So, I haven’t made any change yet but the idea would be take the money that we’ve been putting every month into the market and instead, all right, this is the debt that we have, so pay it off as quickly as possible.

0:12:03.8 Mike Vacanti: That’s Dave Ramsey too.

0:12:05.1 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

0:12:05.7 Mike Vacanti: Are you comfortable saying what your mortgage interest rate is?

0:12:09.6 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. It’s 675, I think, which historically is very low. I think within the last number of years it’s relatively high. But historically, it’s pretty low.

0:12:23.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. If we’re looking at a 40, 50 year window, it’s low. But we just had these unbelievably low rates in like the. 2020, 2021. 2019 even. That makes a lot of sense. You have this debt for your house you’re paying almost 7% on. Markets have been super hot. And so it’s like by paying down your house, you’re getting a guaranteed 7%, essentially.

0:12:55.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I mean, grant, you’ll always have to pay property tax. But the sooner I don’t have to pay a mortgage, the better.

0:13:06.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Absolutely. Cool. I like that a lot. There’s also… Yeah. We don’t need to get too into the weeds on that.

0:13:17.1 Jordan Syatt: Do you DCA. Are you DCA or no?

0:13:19.4 Mike Vacanti: I DCA. I really wish my… I have a few investment platforms that I use and none of them have…

0:13:30.3 Jordan Syatt: Like Auto?

0:13:30.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Auto not into the funds that I want to DCA into. So I do it but not as strict and consistent as I should. Because no one can really time the market. We shouldn’t be sitting there being like, okay, the market’s really good right now, I’m not going to buy anything. But now the market’s really low, I’m going to buy a whole bunch. That’s where you smooth that out by just putting the same amount in every single month. I still try to time the market a little bit.

0:14:02.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. The gambler.

0:14:04.0 Mike Vacanti: It’s like, oh, well, this tariff news hit a couple months back, it’s like all right, I’m going to put in much more than I normally would in a given month. That kind of thing.

0:14:10.5 Jordan Syatt: That makes sense. It’s like day trading a little bit where it’s like all right, I’m just going to…

0:14:16.3 Mike Vacanti: Is it going up or down? Yeah, yeah. Whereas day traders are buying and selling in the short term, I’m still just picking my entry point and what I’m buying isn’t getting touched for 20, 30, 40 years is the game plan.

0:14:32.1 Jordan Syatt: When do you think you’d touch it? Is it 65 or is that when that happens?

0:14:37.5 Mike Vacanti: So, with certain funds… So any personal trainers listening, anyone who is self employed and has their own business, you obviously don’t have a 401k with your Johnny Johnson Fitness LLC, but what you can have is what’s called a self employed person fund. Is that what it stands for? SEP. And when you are investing in an SEP retirement fund you can’t withdraw until a certain age or else you are penalized like 10%. I want to say that one’s 59.5. What you and I are discussing which is dollar-cost average just into an investment account that’s not a formal retirement account, you could sell at any time without any penalties. I really don’t know my long term, I guess, right now gun to my head to answer that question, I would say I’ll start selling investments when my net worth has peaked and I don’t need to earn any more, So we’re talking decades in the future, and I want to live off of the returns from my investments. So that’s when I would start slowly selling.

0:16:07.0 Jordan Syatt: That makes sense.

0:16:08.2 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:16:08.8 Jordan Syatt: What else financially? Are there any other financial questions?

0:16:12.6 Mike Vacanti: Well, what did you say to me the other day on the phone? You said something to the effect of like, your spending is kind of where you want it and your monthly spend won’t go up.

0:16:26.5 Jordan Syatt: Oh, is that yesterday? Yeah. I think we were talking about yesterday where it was like in terms of comfort and like we were talking about how hedonic adaptation and if you make more then you adjust your lifestyle to fit that. Da da da. And I’m very, very comfortable in terms of my lifestyle where it’s like, even if, let’s say I got a crazy deal with, I don’t know, Netflix. Some kind of crazy. Let’s say I won the lottery. Win the lottery, you get 100 million dollars. I don’t foresee being like, hey, we need to move houses into a bigger house. We need to have more land. We need more. What we have now is the ultimate of what I ever could have imagined. And I don’t think there would be any part of me or my wife where is like, we need more. That we’re good. We just don’t need more stuff.

0:17:47.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:17:47.8 Jordan Syatt: I think we’re in a really great place where it’s like, regardless of what happened money wise, the only place we can go is down, realistically. That would be it. It’d be like if we need to watch our expenses more, if we need to downsize, we wouldn’t increase, we would just decrease. That would be it. So, I don’t foresee expenses going up or anything like that outside of like if they value our property higher and so our property taxes go up. But no…

0:18:19.1 Mike Vacanti: Not within your control.

0:18:20.6 Jordan Syatt: Willful in control expenses. Yeah.

0:18:22.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. That makes sense. And that’s just if expenses stay the same and your income increases in the years to come, then you’re just saving more money faster, which is creating future freedom and future comfort and future options for yourself. It’s great.

0:18:41.4 Jordan Syatt: Do you think that has having a kid been more expensive than you expected?

0:18:48.8 Mike Vacanti: I have such confirmation bias around a lot of my random beliefs or especially things I haven’t thought a lot about or things that are new to me. I remember seeing a piece of content a few weeks before my daughter was born to the effect of, kids are not expensive whatsoever. It’s just that modern society makes them that way. Which is true in a lot of ways. You see a lot of these grayish TikTok mom need to have the top of the line every suit. Whether it’s like the best stroller, the best outfits, the best crib, the mural.

0:19:30.5 Jordan Syatt: All these toys.

0:19:31.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. If you look at the absolute essentials of what a child needs versus what the average like, let’s just say the average stay at home mom in America picks out for her kid, like, there’s a huge delta between those two numbers.

0:19:50.8 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. And in America Is the key phrase there. In America versus other countries where maybe they don’t have access to that stuff. Or it’s like they have way more prevalent issues to deal with as opposed to being like, what color shades should I get for the bedroom? Da da da, da da. Yeah. Yeah. Correct.

0:20:10.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. And I just know it better. And there’s almost a cultural element to it too, not just the abundance that we have here, because there are a lot of countries in the world at this point in 2025 that have abundance, but the consumerism mentality of the US maybe compared to some other countries. What was the question? Is she more or less expensive than I thought?

0:20:38.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yeah.

0:20:39.9 Mike Vacanti: I think on par.

0:20:42.4 Jordan Syatt: It’s funny what you’re saying about it doesn’t have to be that expensive. It’s actually the exact same discussion around fitness and health. And we were talking about that earlier where it’s like some of the most jacked and strong and fit people, they work out in public playgrounds.

0:21:02.8 Mike Vacanti: Yep.

0:21:03.7 Jordan Syatt: Those are some of my favorite videos in high school of these dudes just doing chin ups and muscle ups and stuff at public playgrounds. Push ups. And it was funny. I remember watching those videos and being like, man, these guys are like Olympic level gymnasts with some of the shit that they do. But it is funny how if we’re really talking about what you need, it’s separating needs versus wants. From a fitness perspective, there are things that can help make it easier and more convenient and da da da. But those are more wants. Those aren’t needs. The things that we need are far more accessible to the vast majority of people than I think we actually realize. Not to say we all have the same 24 hours in a day. We don’t. And not to say we all have the exact same circumstances. Obviously we don’t. With that said, what you need in order to live a healthier, more fit life is actually far less than the vast majority of people think. In the same way that I think what you need in order to provide for a child is actually far less than what we would often hear or think in America. I think it’s an interesting parallel.

0:22:34.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. That’s a great parallel. I’m also very fortunate in having some hand me downs on random things and family and friends who gave us gifts or gave our baby gifts. And so that was very helpful as well, obviously.

0:22:53.8 Jordan Syatt: Of course.

0:22:54.7 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yeah. It’s very unpopular to say we all have the same 24 hours in a day these days, huh? I saw what you did there.

0:23:07.0 Jordan Syatt: Super unpopular. And to be fair, it’s true, we don’t have the same. I know what you’re going to say. I know you’re going to say there’s 24 hours in a day, period. Like, It’s all.

0:23:18.9 Mike Vacanti: It’s not. It’s not a sociological sentence. I mean, I know that that’s the way that it’s discussed and there is nuance, but the actual sentence is true. We do… From a mathematical, physics perspective, we’re all dealing with roughly the same 24 hours each day.

0:23:39.1 Jordan Syatt: In terms of from when the sun goes up to when the sun goes down, minute by minute.

0:23:44.9 Mike Vacanti: Obviously saying we all have the same 24 hours in a day isn’t saying that the single mom who works two jobs has the same level of difficulty getting to the gym as the rich, spoiled college kid.

0:23:58.3 Jordan Syatt: Right. Of course. Of course.

0:24:00.4 Mike Vacanti: Those sentences aren’t the same, but we do all have 24 hours. It’s so dumb. And then people just bandwagon on it too. The lack of thinking from first principles these days is so wild. And whether it’s audience capture like seed oils and just knowing don’t say these kinds of things because they get bad reactions. Say lots of these kind of things, people like them. Whether or not they’re true is wild to me.

0:24:29.8 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I think that’s the way. I mean, I guess it’s always been that way, but social media has amplified it where it’s like, whenever there’s a certain topic or a certain phrase that is super incendiary and it’s catching fire, everyone jumps on it and they want to take advantage of using that phrase and getting the engagement that comes with it. 

0:24:51.2 Mike Vacanti: Whether it’s true or not. 

0:24:52.5 Jordan Syatt: Correct. Unfortunately.

0:24:55.3 Mike Vacanti: All right. We don’t need to go down that rabbit hole. But, yeah. I think anyone with half a brain realizes that the college kid who is on summer vacation and lifting three hours per day and has his dad paying for his steroids for him, isn’t in the same position as the woman working the overnight shift who has the crying baby.

0:25:19.3 Jordan Syatt: Correct. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But we do all have 24 hours.

0:25:27.2 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Yeah. But then, see, I’m taking the two extremes to placate that side of the audience, which I think we polarized out completely at this point. Maybe there’s like, a few People left who would still get mad at that sentence. I don’t know. Or maybe people who, this might be your first episode and you don’t know us at all.

0:25:44.3 Jordan Syatt: Welcome.

0:25:46.7 Mike Vacanti: How to become a personal trainer. But i we’re not looking at the first percentile and comparing it to the 99th percentile in terms of difficulty of life, and we’re comparing the 45th percentile with the 55th percentile, it’s like, yeah, don’t look at that person over there who has a very similar lifestyle as you and be like, oh, but they’re genetics, but they’re this, but they’re that. But da, da, da. It’s like, no, you guys do have roughly the same 24 hours in a day, and so you could probably learn something from the habits and behaviors that that person has established to achieve what they have.

0:26:27.1 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Dude, I completely agree. Most people who are not consistently exercising are not doing… They’re not not exercising because of a lack of time.

0:26:41.9 Mike Vacanti: Correct.

0:26:42.4 Jordan Syatt: In the same way that most people who are getting really shitty sleep are not getting shitty sleep because they have clinical insomnia or because they are working night shifts or because of any other reason outside of. Most people who are getting shitty sleep are scrolling on their phone.

0:27:04.2 Mike Vacanti: Yep.

0:27:04.7 Jordan Syatt: So if we’re talking about large scale, overarching generalities, most people have some time that they are not utilizing properly and instead of exercising, they’re doing shit that they shouldn’t be doing or that they should be doing less of. I think that’s a very accurate way to put it. But it’s more incendiary to be like, but what about this person who has a really, really, really, really difficult. It’s like, yeah, that’s true. It’s a much more difficult situation. And I’ve also had clients in those situations who fucking crush it.

0:27:45.7 Mike Vacanti: Yep.

0:27:46.2 Jordan Syatt: Who would probably be super offended that you’d be like, why are you trying to give me a pass? I can do this too. Don’t make me out to be the victim. Don’t victim card me. I’m not gonna… I’ve had those clients too. 

0:28:03.5 Mike Vacanti: The best. 

0:28:04.4 Jordan Syatt: I had a client who basically an amazing, amazing individual. I offered to give this one on one client a discount. And this client said, because they were so easy to work with and they worked so hard and they were like, I’m not taking a fucking discount. They got a second job, which was a night shift as a janitor in order to pay for coaching, and got offended when I offered to give a discount. I was like, I’m not fucking doing that. It was just….

0:28:37.2 Mike Vacanti: That’s awesome. Speaks volumes about that person’s character. And funny that other people want to use them to justify their worldview.

0:28:50.0 Jordan Syatt: And it comes from a good place. They’re trying to be super empathetic. There’s an interesting line between empathy and enabling. It is a unique line where it’s like, at what point? Because I think we’ve created two worlds. We have the personal responsibility world and then we have the, I don’t know, societal worldview. It’s either your responsibility or it’s what society is causing you to not be able to X, Y and Z. 

0:29:25.3 Mike Vacanti: Individualism versus collectivism.

0:29:26.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. There’s obviously nuance, and it’s not just one or the other. They obviously both play a role in everything. I think that the people who tend to shift more towards that collectivism, society is keeping you down. It’s society’s fault, not your fault. Da, da, da da. I think it’s coming from a good place of empathy and I feel like I want you to feel heard and I want you to feel safe. But it’s also one of those things where it’s like, when does empathy turn into enabling? At what point are you giving them excuses and justifications to not do what they need to do? And what we see in drug addicts, for example, or people who when they… At a certain point, you’re like, hey, we’re enabling them to continue to make these decisions. We’re enabling them. We need to schedule an intervention. We need it. We need to make sure they get help. And at a certain point, they’re like, you know what? Enough is enough. We’ve got to take a hard fucking stance. And I think that a lot of the people who think they’re being empathetic are doing it from a good place, but they’re actually, they’re going too far and they’re enabling people and they’re almost saying, like, here’s your victim card. Take this victim card and don’t ever think about what you could do because everything is out of your control. Everything is because the society is trying to keep you down. It’s like, what if we had empathy, and with that empathy, we also instilled courage and determination and the ability and confidence to believe no matter all of the shit that you are facing, there’s still things you can do to improve? I feel like that’s the best of both worlds is acknowledging the issues and giving them, helping them find their own self confidence to fucking take care of what they need to do.

0:31:16.0 Mike Vacanti: Absolutely. Yeah. Could not have said it better myself. And I agree that a lot, if not most of the people who are, let’s just call it like on the way, too much empathy side of things are doing it for the right reasons and do have their heart in the right place. But I think some of them are just doing it because it gets more engagement on social media with their audience.

0:31:48.4 Jordan Syatt: I agree. I completely agree with that. Especially when we’re talking about the people who are making content with it, not the people who are they’re not making content. They just believe it and they just believe it. They’re good people. This is just how they are.

0:32:04.8 Mike Vacanti: Absolutely.

0:32:05.7 Jordan Syatt: But the people who are making content out of it, that’s a really, I’m glad you said that, it’s a really important thing to be aware of because very often the people who are making content, they’re making content based off of the interaction that they get, the responses that they get. And if they see a trend of what does well versus what doesn’t do well, they’ll keep leaning towards the things that quote-unquote “do well.” Which ironically, I do think there’s a difference between doing well in terms of likes and engagement versus doing well for business.

0:32:38.1 Mike Vacanti: Yep.

0:32:39.4 Jordan Syatt: And I think too many creators will confuse likes with oh, this must be good for business. When in reality it’s like you might be getting more likes but you also might be creating an audience of people who fundamentally are not who you actually want to work with at all.

0:32:58.2 Mike Vacanti: It’s a bad place to be in.

0:33:00.1 Jordan Syatt: Bad, bad, bad place.

0:33:01.6 Mike Vacanti: Bad place to be in. Because you have lost yourself in the process of trying to optimize engagement and now, you don’t use your voice long enough, you forget what you actually believe and then you’re surrounded by people who you made like you by putting up this false front and now these are the people who you’re potentially have. It’s…

0:33:30.0 Jordan Syatt: Not fun. 

0:33:30.9 Mike Vacanti: No. It’s long run a way better strategy just to say what you actually think. And again, yes, there’s an element of make this post engaging, but you can do that without sacrificing or compromising…

0:33:46.4 Jordan Syatt: The truth. 

0:33:47.2 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. The truth and your personal beliefs.

0:33:50.7 Jordan Syatt: Agreed.

0:33:51.5 Mike Vacanti: All right. So you’re gonna have that house paid off by the end of the month. Good.

0:33:56.4 Jordan Syatt: God willing. What else? What other financial stuff?

0:34:02.5 Mike Vacanti: I was going to ask how that new editor you brought on is doing. Is she…

0:34:05.7 Jordan Syatt: So for context, I hired a new editor to help because Mitch is still my videographer and editor. But one of the aspects of these really long form podcasts is we want to get short form clips that are educational and helpful to people who are not watching, but also to help push people to say, hey, you know what? I’m gonna start listening to this guy’s podcast. And we’re doing so many that Mitch needed help. He was like, I need someone else. So we hired a new editor and she is super talented. I think just like anything, it could be a romantic relationship, a business relationship, whatever. There’s a learning curve in which you’re trying to learn each other and you’re trying to communicate what you need, what you don’t need. She’s super talented. She has learned very quickly what style I like and how to improve. The issue right now is I think she’s a huge procrastinator and she’s waiting until the last minute to get clips to me for the upcoming podcast. So I’m literally still waiting for, because we release a podcast tomorrow. So, when we’re done with this podcast, I’ll be probably calling her and being like, hey, where are these clips? Because we’re going to have to get on a schedule where it’s like, I need these clips the first draft 72 hours in advance because I don’t want to be waiting for the last 24 hours or the last 16 hours before the podcast goes live. Back and forth and back and forth and back and forth. It’s not how I want to function. So I think she is procrastinating a little bit on those. But overall she’s been great so far.

0:35:51.3 Mike Vacanti: Let’s go. Let’s go. I got one. I’m going to make up a person, in-person personal trainer, just getting their online business started. Let’s say they have a few in-person clients that they transition to hybrid. So they have their first three online clients because they’re working with them, let’s say once a week or once a month in the gym and online, otherwise, and this person is just starting making content. Do you have any thoughts around timing of a potential first hire/what they should be focused on right now/if and when it’s time to hire someone, even if it’s part time what role would that person be? And I’m kind of setting you up because I think we’re on the same page here.

0:36:48.3 Jordan Syatt: I would be shocked if we were different on this one, but do not, I know there are some people who have done this and it’s fine if this is how you’ve gone about it, but our recommendation, or at least my recommendation, and I think Mike’s too, is do not hire another coach. Do not hire another coach unless you want to start becoming a manager. If the business that you want to run is not a… If you don’t want to coach people and you just want to manage coaches who are coaching people, great. Start hiring coaches. And you better give them really good percentages they don’t want to leave. You’re also going to be needing to, your job as not just manager, but also be getting new clients. So you’re probably going to be a big social media role in terms of getting content out there to drive new leads that you can continue to pay your coaches and give them new clients. And you need to give them really good percentages because the way this industry works is, and you might not think it’ll happen to you, but I promise I could put you in contact with 50 fucking coaches who this has happened to. It happens over and over and over again. This is how the industry works. You hire a coach or coaches, you don’t pay them, you pay them, I don’t know. Well, maybe you think 50:50 is fair, should be higher.

0:38:09.0 Mike Vacanti: 50:50 is massive from what I’ve been seeing lately, by the way.

0:38:12.8 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. And it’s usually less than that. It’s usually way less than that.

0:38:15.3 Mike Vacanti: I’m saying 50:50 is a lot for the assistant coach in this day.

0:38:18.8 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yeah. That’s what I’m saying. But then that’s why assistant coaches will leave. Because if they’re getting 50% after a certain point, maybe you give them 10, 15, 20, 30 clients at a certain point they’re making pretty good money and they’re like, I could double my income just by taking these clients and leaving. And I’ve seen this many, many, many, many times. And their clients will be loyal to them, not to you, because they’re working with that coach, not with you. So early on, I think that you want to do as much by yourself as possible. There’s no reason to hire anybody early on. And I think your first hire should be either an assistant, someone who is helping you answer emails, someone who is helping you stay organized, da, da, da. Or…

0:39:10.5 Mike Vacanti: Not client emails by the way.

0:39:13.2 Jordan Syatt: Not client emails. Not client emails. That’d be like if your inbox is getting flooded with other emails, with other things, or getting someone to help with your social media, whether that’s a videographer, editor, both, usually they do the same thing. But getting someone to help you create better and more content for your social media would be the best first hire, realistically. You probably don’t need an assistant early on, but getting someone to help you with social media content, organizing it for you, helping you come up with great ideas, helping helping you edit it. I mean, those are things that will allow you more freedom to help be a better coach for your clients because now you’re not spending even more time on social media. They’re taking away all that. And you have a better opportunity to create better content to help get more clients in the long run. So, that I think would be the best first hire.

0:40:11.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Completely agree. Videographer. I wouldn’t even… Like, you can train that person up and if they have the skill set, they could be really helpful with idea generation and helping you make great content. But realistically, you’re gonna be driving that. Like, they’re saving you time. Their skill set is around making things look nice and putting them together much quicker than you can so that you can be putting out more good content. If you have a lot of cash, hiring a videographer soon after you start making content could make sense, but for the overwhelming majority of coaches, you’re gonna be on your own for at least a year or two, and you should be, because you’re gonna learn more efficiently that way. And you’re also gonna have time. When you’re first starting building your online business, you don’t have a lot of online fitness clients, so you have more time to spend on the content side of things. So you can get in there and edit your own videos. You can get in there, and time is your asset, essentially. Yeah. So we’re on the same page there. There have been a couple people we’ve seen succeed. Way, way, way more people fail. But we’ve seen a couple people succeed at hiring assistant coaches. And those are generally people who have a very big audience.

0:41:45.2 Jordan Syatt: Huge audience. Yep. Hundreds of thousands of millions.

0:41:47.6 Mike Vacanti: Don’t want to be coaching, which kind of eliminates the majority of people potentially listening to this who are interested in fitness. Because basically everyone who signs up for the mentorship likes working with clients. It’s kind of we take pride in that. Giving a great Client experience, and that’s how Jordan and I believe the best businesses are built. But someone who really enjoys making content, has a really big audience and doesn’t really want to be working with fitness clients, which is not a lot of people.

0:42:24.9 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot of the…

0:42:31.9 Mike Vacanti: And sales is the other place we see it. Someone who’s just like, high ticket, closer, guru. Like, I’m just gonna… Whether they are getting new fitness clients by making great content or they’re going the scammier route, that’s another group that I’ve seen do it.

0:42:52.4 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yeah. I think in the same way, if you look at someone who’s… Imagine taking all of your fitness advice from an Olympia competitor. Someone who’s on steroids, shredded a bit like walk, like on. And when I say Olympia competitor, I mean Olympia competitor who’s on stage, 5% body fat or less their entire life is this. No average individual would be taking that advice, so they wouldn’t be living like that. That’s insane. I feel like what we’re seeing with a lot of the fitness business advice is advice that’s geared toward, it’s from people with massive audiences that are essentially they’re giving advice that would work if you had a really, really huge, large audience to people who have 300 followers. And I think that you can build a very successful business with 300 followers, but it’s gonna look very different than a business with someone that has five million followers. It’s a completely different business model. And I think that realistically, the 300 follower one is more enjoyable, more sustainable, you have more balance with it. But if you’re the 300 follower person trying to model your business like someone who has five million followers, it’s just completely different systems in the same way that someone who’s 300 pounds, 55% body fat, trying to do the exact same things as the Olympia competitor who’s 5% body fat, it’s like, what are you doing? It’s completely different.

0:44:36.2 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Great analogy. Spot on. 

0:44:40.8 Jordan Syatt: Dude, I was talking to my daughter yesterday and we were pretending to be driving a car. We were sitting in the playroom and she’s like, here, come sit. We’ll drive to school. I was like, okay, so we’ll drive to school. So I was like, all right, you got to turn the car on. And I went to turn the car on and I did it by turning the key. And she went to turn the car on and she just pushed the button and I was like, oh, man, that’s so crazy. That’s so crazy. Like, there was no key turn. It was just, no, we just pushed the button.

0:45:12.1 Mike Vacanti: Because that’s how it is in your car, right?

0:45:14.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, of course. Is that how your car is? Button push? 

0:45:16.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. It’s a new generation, brother.

0:45:20.2 Jordan Syatt: Same thing with phones. They don’t do this when they mimic talking on the phone, they do this. 

0:45:26.2 Mike Vacanti: Really? 

0:45:26.8 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yeah. It’s really crazy.

0:45:28.6 Mike Vacanti: That’s cute.

0:45:29.2 Jordan Syatt: Or this.

0:45:29.9 Mike Vacanti: Oh, like FaceTime?

0:45:31.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yeah. 

0:45:34.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah, man. There’s so many things that each generation doesn’t experience.

0:45:40.4 Jordan Syatt: But I feel like it’s accelerated in the last, I don’t know, 15 years. It’s just that the rate at which changes have happened, it’s been astronomical.

0:45:51.5 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. I agree.

0:45:53.0 Jordan Syatt: I feel like for our parents generation, it was like the stuff that they’re wearing on tv, it’s getting a little bit more revealing. Like, oh, before it was like, the dress was all the way down to the ankles. Oh, my gosh, you can see the shins. And then 20 years later, you can see their knees now. Oh, my gosh. And they’re dancing like that. That’s crazy. And now it’s just like, well, what else? It went from writing letters to people in the ’90s to as close to teleporting to being with them as you possibly can.

0:46:24.0 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. The Internet was massive.

0:46:26.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yeah.

0:46:27.5 Mike Vacanti: Mid ’90s. Yeah. Things really took a hard turn. Our parents got color TV in their lifetime, I want to say.

0:46:38.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yeah. When they were kids.

0:46:39.5 Mike Vacanti: But again, a minor change relative to.

0:46:42.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Have you ever seen the video of when TV, like, how different countries introduced color TV? It’s a really cool historical video where they took different countries and how they introduced color to their country. And so they started off with a broadcast with the TV announcers, the news anchors, whatever, in black and white. And then in the middle of the broadcast, they changed it and they went from black and white to color. And the best one was Australia because they had this really funny show where they basically, somehow they figured out how to do it from top to bottom to go from black and white to color, slowly going down. It wasn’t just like an instant shift. And the actors were like, oh, my God, what’s happening to me? And you can see them changing into color as they go around. It was super, super cool, but it is I think the least fun one was France. They were just like, and now we are in color. But it’s crazy because that was a big deal.

0:47:57.3 Mike Vacanti: A pretty big difference from country to country.

0:47:59.2 Jordan Syatt: Huge, huge, huge, huge differences culturally.

0:48:01.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:48:02.4 Jordan Syatt: I didn’t see the Russian one, but I would like to see the Russian one now, color.

0:48:08.0 Mike Vacanti: You’ve been doing impressions?

0:48:10.3 Jordan Syatt: No, not as much. Impressions, they just take more time. They take more time.

0:48:16.5 Mike Vacanti: Are the days of you just doing like a selfie video on your stories that doesn’t do as well as text? I remember you used to just go on there and talk on your stories and that’s how we all did it. But I remember you doing accents on there many years ago.

0:48:36.7 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, Yeah. I wish. The way stories work now, they don’t support that as much. And it’s not necessarily how stories work as much as what people are willing to pay attention to. And before when it was just video, a lot of people would watch someone talk on their stories. Now, people see that someone’s talking, they’re like next, next. I’m not gonna…

0:48:56.5 Mike Vacanti: Honestly, I’m sure the strategy you’re using now would have worked better back then too. It’s just that it was less competitive so they would pay attention to video. Even if a huge percentage of your audience was watching then, it probably even would have been slightly higher if you had text on screen, more images.

0:49:15.9 Jordan Syatt: Completely agree. Yeah. I completely agree.

0:49:18.3 Mike Vacanti: But no accents.

0:49:19.7 Jordan Syatt: I will occasionally do an accent in a reel in a video, but no. Not as much. It just takes more time and more thought has to go into the video.

0:49:30.8 Mike Vacanti: Bro, have you talked about the Mentalist publicly?

0:49:34.0 Jordan Syatt: Oh my gosh, dude. No.

0:49:35.2 Mike Vacanti: How crazy is that guy?

0:49:37.2 Jordan Syatt: Dude, I’m obsessed. I want this guy in my podcast so bad. So anyone who doesn’t know his name is Oz. O-Z. It looks like Oz. Oz Pearlman. I have spent. I’m trying to think of a realistic amount of time. So you know how I say people who are, they’re just scrolling at night and they’re not getting good sleep. That’s me. I’ve been spending hours, hours watching this guy at midnight, 1, 2 in the morning doing the most insane. I’m watching a movie now about it. There’s a movie on Netflix about, and one of the characters is a mentalist. 

0:50:20.2 Mike Vacanti: Is mentalist different than magician?

0:50:23.5 Jordan Syatt: They’re completely different. 

0:50:26.3 Mike Vacanti: Okay.

0:50:27.5 Jordan Syatt: Yeah, bro.

0:50:28.4 Mike Vacanti: But the definition is completely different. Mentalist isn’t like a subset of magic. They’re just different.

0:50:34.4 Jordan Syatt: It might be a… So Oz actually explained this. And I’m gonna butcher it and I might get it wrong. But the way that magic works on deception. So it’s almost like if a magician says, hey, all the magic is happening here. That’s the first telltale sign, it’s not. That’s where they want you to look so you don’t see where their deception is happening. Mentalism isn’t about deception. It’s actually about, it’s comprehension, it’s reading. It’s more about trying to get a feel for what the person is doing. And a lot of people, it looks like mind reading.

0:51:17.0 Mike Vacanti: Is he really doing that though, or is it magic, and it’s deception and he’s just framing it as, I’m really…

0:51:23.8 Jordan Syatt: I mean, that would be the ultimate deception.

0:51:25.0 Mike Vacanti: I’m really reading your face and I know your ATM PIN because I’m reading your face. But realistically, he’s got a bunch of people at the post office on his payroll and he figured out. 

0:51:35.3 Jordan Syatt: Well, that wouldn’t even be magic though.

0:51:37.7 Mike Vacanti: Kind of. Did you see The Prestige?

0:51:40.2 Jordan Syatt: Yes. A long time ago. Yeah.

0:51:42.0 Mike Vacanti: It’s not really magic. That’s where he clones himself and then the clone dies every time. Right?

0:51:47.6 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yeah.

0:51:48.6 Mike Vacanti: It’s kind of just like a scam.

0:51:50.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Listen, from what he said, and I’m about to try and become a full on mentalist at this point, I’m about to be getting books and tutorials and all this stuff. But it looks like becoming a mentalist is really becoming an expert at reading people, reading micro expressions. 

0:52:11.4 Mike Vacanti: What am I thinking, Jordan? 

0:52:14.3 Jordan Syatt: Dude. So this is what they would do this. And I need to figure out what some opening lines are, but like, so one thing I’m looking at is you just had the lines next to your eyes because you were smiling. So whatever you were thinking about, maybe it was something that was making you happy. I don’t know. That would be one example. And I’m not even a white belt. It’s like you read these micro expressions. But the way Oz does it is he can figure out your fucking bank PIN code just from watching you think about it. And he can look at where your eyes are going and where, like, it’s crazy. It’s absolutely insane. And he’ll predict what you’re gonna do, what you’re gonna say, what you’re gonna think. Also part of it is implanting ideas in your head. So almost like Inception, making you think that you came up with an idea when in reality, it’s he put that idea in your head without you knowing about it. That’s another aspect of it.

0:53:09.3 Mike Vacanti: The stuff he’s done with pro sports teams, those clips have been insane.

0:53:14.5 Jordan Syatt: Unbelievable.

0:53:15.6 Mike Vacanti: With the Buffalo Bills and the Cincinnati Bengals, even the Jets. Did you watch the Aaron Rodgers one I sent you? 

0:53:21.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. 

0:53:21.8 Mike Vacanti: He’s got the goldfish in his hand at the end of it.

0:53:23.2 Jordan Syatt: Dude, there’s… One of the most incredible ones… It’s crazy to me when he’ll be able to know exactly what you’re thinking in terms of like a word or a phrase. He can figure out what word or phrase you’re thinking that no one else would know. And so there was a guy who was a non believer. He’s like, this is bullshit. This isn’t gonna work on me. Da da da. And he was like, all right, just think of a phrase that literally no one else could possibly know. Literally no one else could know this. There’s something in your life, a word or phrase. And the guy was like, okay, I’ve got one. When I was nine years old, there was a phrase that me and my other nine year old buddies would say to each other all the time. There’s no way you can know this. No one in this room knows this. Da, da, da. And he was like, okay. And Oz looked at him and he goes, bing chow. Bro, the guy lost his fucking… He was like, there is no way you could have figured that out. No one could have known that. No one could have told you that. He’s like, I haven’t thought about this in 20 years. It’s unbelievable. It’s unbelievable.

0:54:28.3 Mike Vacanti: He’s got powers.

0:54:30.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. 

0:54:31.6 Mike Vacanti: You lost it when I called them powers.

0:54:32.1 Jordan Syatt: If you haven’t watched this guy just YouTube owes Pearlman. You’ll end up watching like 12 hours of this guy’s content on YouTube. It’s unbelievable.

0:54:38.5 Mike Vacanti: So how long until you’re going to be on his level?

0:54:41.0 Jordan Syatt: I was thinking about this the other day when I was doing cardio. I don’t think it’s possible. I think too much time has gone on, I don’t think I’m…

0:54:49.8 Mike Vacanti: And I think he has some kind of predisposition for like, there’s a degree of talent.

0:54:54.6 Jordan Syatt: I could have that talent position though maybe I’ve got that talent, but I just don’t have the time. You know what I mean? I could develop it.

0:55:00.5 Mike Vacanti: Could develop that choke.

0:55:02.6 Jordan Syatt: I just think it’s a skill that would be out. I feel like the US Military would want to take this guy and be like, okay, you’re gonna run interrogations now because you’re gonna know when someone is lying and you’re gonna tell us that they’re lying and then we’re gonna… That’s just such an incredible skill. And he has a wife. I think he has five kids.

0:55:23.9 Mike Vacanti: Oh, wow. Nice.

0:55:24.5 Jordan Syatt: I was like, I wouldn’t want to be married to that guy and never mind the fact that he’s a dude and I have a wife, but I wouldn’t want to be married to that guy. I feel like he could just always tell if you’re hiding something. I don’t know, man.

0:55:40.4 Mike Vacanti: That might be the perfect person to marry.

0:55:41.8 Jordan Syatt: Would it?

0:55:42.3 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:55:43.1 Jordan Syatt: I don’t know. 

0:55:43.9 Mike Vacanti: It’d be like a real trial by fire of being a stand up individual. Yeah. I mean…

0:55:59.1 Jordan Syatt: Would you want that power? Would you want the powers of…

0:56:02.2 Mike Vacanti: No. I don’t crave that.

0:56:03.5 Jordan Syatt: You wouldn’t want that? You wouldn’t want to know like…

0:56:06.9 Mike Vacanti: I don’t think his power is what you think it is.

0:56:10.2 Jordan Syatt: All right. Well, what do you think I think it is?

0:56:12.8 Mike Vacanti: I think you think that he picks up on micro expressions and knows things based on that.

0:56:18.3 Jordan Syatt: Oh, what do you think it is?

0:56:19.8 Mike Vacanti: I think he’s a very good magician, but I also think he’s doing a lot of funny business.

0:56:26.5 Jordan Syatt: You think he’s paying people behind the scenes to get this information?

0:56:30.1 Mike Vacanti: No, not necessarily. No, that’s not what I meant by it. But I think maybe he’s planned out five different scenarios. So, for example, if someone says, I want to take my kid, he’ll think of the five most common answers to something and have something planted for each of them. And then when he hits it, oh, you want to take your kids to Disney World? Cut the football cake open. It’s Mickey Mouse right there because you said Disney World. But maybe he has a T shirt on underneath his sweatshirt that says something else on it and he would have lifted that up if he got a different answer. I think he’s…

0:57:14.2 Jordan Syatt: But how did he get that cake football when they were all playing with a real fucking football.

0:57:19.0 Mike Vacanti: Dude, I don’t know. It freaks me out. I honestly, I maybe would have been one of the people who wanted to burn the witches because it freaks me out.

0:57:30.8 Jordan Syatt: But I don’t think any of those witches were anywhere near this level.

0:57:34.2 Mike Vacanti: That’s true. They weren’t actually witches. You were telling me this because you’re from the area. I wasn’t well versed on the Salem witch trial.

0:57:42.4 Jordan Syatt: The Salem witch trial.

0:57:43.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:57:44.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. They weren’t real witches. They were just accused.

0:57:46.5 Mike Vacanti: Well, that’s awful then. However, this guy freaks me out. I just wouldn’t want to be around him. My spidey senses go up. I get a bad feeling in my gut.

0:57:58.4 Jordan Syatt: That’s why I said I wouldn’t want to be married to him.

0:58:00.4 Mike Vacanti: Oh, I thought it was because then you’d have to be honest all the time.

0:58:03.2 Jordan Syatt: No. Dude, that’s not the issue. I feel like he’d just always be reading you. You just always be, it’d be like, you know when you’re in someone else’s house and you can’t fully relax because it’s not your house?

0:58:20.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

0:58:21.9 Jordan Syatt: I feel like in any conversation that you’d be having there would always be this level of, are you analyzing me? I feel like there would always be that uncertainty of, I just want to have a conversation with you where you aren’t analyzing what I’m saying or how I’m saying it. But I feel like it would be so embedded into who he is or it’s like it’s such a big part of who he is that there would be like, are you…

0:58:52.1 Mike Vacanti: Are you doing the thing?

0:58:53.3 Jordan Syatt: Doing something right now? It’d be very difficult to have a genuine guard down conversation, I feel like, when someone that skilled and that’s their literal job.

0:59:09.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. It would definitely be weird. But I’m saying, I think it would just force any person into like… Because everybody lies to an extent on a spectrum. It would kind of just force you to not do that in time, which I think would actually be a character benefit over time.

0:59:31.2 Jordan Syatt: But you know how if I say anything nice about you, you’ll immediately go like, okay, Dale. You’ll immediately, because that’s my default is like Dale-ing. But it’s genuine. But anytime I say something nice, you just almost immediately, like, all right, he’s Dale-ing me right now. He’s Dale-ing.

0:59:48.2 Mike Vacanti: No, no, no, no. Hang on. That’s not true. I say you’re Dale-ing me when you’re Dale-ing me. If you say something nice, just randomly nice. I don’t say that. But if you’re like, oh, OTR’s got 20 million, da, da, it’s like, all right. No, I don’t.

1:00:01.6 Jordan Syatt: No. Dude, I could literally just be like, hey, man, I think that I appreciate X, Y, and Z. Like, okay, Dale.

1:00:07.4 Mike Vacanti: Absolutely not. Zero. Nope. That’s not how it works. If you’re like, oh, yeah, OTR, you’re gonna be whatever. Benching 315 for 20 reps in no time. It’s like, all right, buddy. No, I’m not. I’m not gonna be doing that.

1:00:23.4 Jordan Syatt: Dude, you say, I’m Dale-ing you all the time but that’s for me, where it’s like… 

1:00:28.4 Mike Vacanti: We’ll pay attention to this.

1:00:29.8 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. That’s what I mean, where it’s like, if you know that that’s someone’s default, you’re like, are you doing that to me right now?

1:00:36.8 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. That would be one element of it. The scarier part to me is that he has evil, demonic powers. And I don’t want it anywhere near me. Like, yes, I’m a little uncomfortable in someone else’s house. I don’t want to put my feet on their coffee table. That’s one thing. But then, these weird, secret powers being around you constantly, I want none of that. Respect to the guy. Look, I’ve watched a bunch of his content too. I think it’s cool. But like Rogan was freaked out in some of those clips. I would have been freaked out too. I get it.

1:01:08.6 Jordan Syatt: For who didn’t see it, he went on Rogan, and he figured out Rogan’s credit card PIN number, and Rogan just he was freaked out.

1:01:20.3 Mike Vacanti: I don’t like that. 

1:01:25.8 Jordan Syatt: Just crazy.

1:01:27.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah.

1:01:27.5 Jordan Syatt: Crazy, crazy, crazy.

1:01:29.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. Oz. Good for him.

1:01:32.1 Jordan Syatt: He’s also a ultra marathoner. He runs a marathon every day.

1:01:36.6 Mike Vacanti: Really?

1:01:37.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. He just runs for hours every day.

1:01:43.6 Mike Vacanti: That’s kind of cool.

1:01:44.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

1:01:44.6 Mike Vacanti: I didn’t know that about him. I wonder if that’s related to his powers.

1:01:52.5 Jordan Syatt: Just gets such a high from the exercise that he can read people.

1:01:58.3 Mike Vacanti: Maybe. 

1:01:58.8 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. When he went on Rogan, Rogan was like, what’d you do today? He’s like, I ran a marathon. Rogan’s like, what? But he’s actually, he’s very good friends with David Goggins long before Goggins became Goggins. And he actually, I think he won or almost won a legit marathon. He ran a marathon in low twos. Like crazy, crazy, crazy. Yeah.

1:02:27.3 Mike Vacanti: What a beast.

1:02:28.3 Jordan Syatt: Yeah.

1:02:28.9 Mike Vacanti: All right. Well, keep us updated on your journey too. Learning more…

1:02:34.1 Jordan Syatt: To mentalism.

1:02:34.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. To being a mentalist.

1:02:36.2 Jordan Syatt: You know what my biggest obstacle right now is with that? That was, I’m not really interested, but I’ll let you just say it. 

1:02:42.0 Mike Vacanti: I’m very interested. No, I’ll go all day.

1:02:44.4 Jordan Syatt: I’m trying to mentalist.

1:02:45.2 Mike Vacanti: I’ll go all day. You’re wrong, because I was literally thinking, I’ll go all day on this pod.

1:02:49.3 Jordan Syatt: My biggest obstacle with that is the way I read books right now is audio. And the books that he’s recommended, you can’t do it audio. You need to see the visuals.

1:03:02.3 Mike Vacanti: This is a perfect opportunity for you to grab hold of that attention span.

1:03:07.4 Jordan Syatt: No, no, no. It’s not attention span. It’s because the only time I read is when I’m doing cardio.

1:03:11.9 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. I can’t read and do cardio at the same time.

1:03:15.0 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. I’ve seen people on the elliptical reading. I’m like, that would give me motion sickness. I don’t know how the fuck you do that.

1:03:19.5 Mike Vacanti: Well, no one said it was gonna be easy becoming a mentalist, Jordan. So, you might need to set aside 15 minutes a day and read the books that Oz recommended.

1:03:29.6 Jordan Syatt: Maybe just sit in the splits and just read for 15 minutes at a time.

1:03:33.7 Mike Vacanti: You could definitely do that.

1:03:34.9 Jordan Syatt: I’m gonna start trying to read you.

1:03:36.7 Mike Vacanti: Do it. Do it right now.

1:03:37.6 Jordan Syatt: I’m gonna study. I’m gonna study. And next time we do a podcast, I’m gonna try and mental it.

1:03:41.1 Mike Vacanti: I know you don’t want to record this first video and put it on social media because you don’t feel ready yet, but you’re never going to feel ready. And when we look back on it, you’re gonna be so much better. It’s better to just get this first one out now. So I want you to try and mentalist me right now. Everyone listening. They’ve been listening for over an hour. They want to see…

1:04:01.8 Jordan Syatt: So what? You want me to try and figure out what you’re thinking about?

1:04:03.9 Mike Vacanti: Do whatever you want. You watched a dozen hours of Oz. Try and do one of his things to me.

1:04:08.9 Jordan Syatt: All right. You want me to try and guess your pin code? I’m gonna try and guess. I’m gonna try and guess your. Your ATM pin code. Okay?

1:04:15.5 Mike Vacanti: Okay.

1:04:15.7 Jordan Syatt: Okay. It’s four numbers?

1:04:29.3 Mike Vacanti: All pin codes are four numbers.

1:04:31.6 Jordan Syatt: I’m off to a win. Okay. Cool. Off to four. All right. I made you a little uncomfortable. Can see you shaking it off right there. I can tell by the way. Yep. Looking out in the distance.

1:04:43.3 Mike Vacanti: Shake it off. Shake it off. Oh, did you do that on purpose? Are you setting me up for the musician? Smart.

1:04:56.7 Jordan Syatt: Is there [REDACTED] I feel like there’s a [REDACTED] in there. Yeah. There is [REDACTED]. Yeah. Okay. It’s not the first number.

1:05:06.5 Mike Vacanti: We’re gonna have to bleep out the number that you’re saying because I’m giving you confirmation on things.

1:05:15.2 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There’s [REDACTED].

1:05:24.6 Mike Vacanti: There’s only 10 numbers, and so, no….

1:05:28.1 Jordan Syatt: Yeah. But there is [REDACTED].

1:05:29.7 Mike Vacanti: There’s not a 

1:05:30.6 Jordan Syatt: Oh, there’s not. Okay. Interesting. Got it. Okay. All right. Do me a favor. Think of your pin code. Just think it in your head. Just repeat it over and over and over again in your head.

1:05:41.8 Mike Vacanti: Does Oz do this?

1:05:44.3 Jordan Syatt: No. I’m trying my own strategy here. One, two, three, four, five. Oh, there’s [REDACTED]. Interesting. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. There’s [REDACTED], as well.

1:06:12.8 Mike Vacanti: You’re not on it, but you got the one number.

1:06:17.5 Jordan Syatt: All right. I gotta work today.

1:06:19.0 Mike Vacanti: What were you looking for? Dilation of pupils or like?

1:06:22.1 Jordan Syatt: Dude, I have no idea what I was looking for.

1:06:24.5 Mike Vacanti: Honestly. You didn’t do bad.

1:06:25.2 Jordan Syatt: I was trying to look at the…

1:06:26.4 Mike Vacanti: First number you said was in there, and you had me on my heels a little bit.

1:06:31.8 Jordan Syatt: All right. Let’s go.

1:06:33.1 Mike Vacanti: All right. My turn.

1:06:33.9 Jordan Syatt: Are you gonna guess my pin code?

1:06:35.3 Mike Vacanti: No. I’m gonna tell you some other stuff about yourself.

1:06:37.4 Jordan Syatt: Okay.

1:06:44.8 Mike Vacanti: You’re from Sudbury, Massachusetts. I’m just thinking, do you want to know my strategy? I’m thinking of things I know about you that you might have forgot that I know about you.

1:07:04.7 Jordan Syatt: Oh, that’s what you’re trying to do?

1:07:06.1 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. That’s the extent of my game.

1:07:08.8 Jordan Syatt: Well, I mean, there are probably most things I would forget that you know. The only reason I know Sudbury is because you always used to call it Sudsbury.

1:07:16.4 Mike Vacanti: Yeah. I was like 50-50 there, and I went with Sudbury for some reason. We got anything else before we wrap? Mentorship is on sale. Sales ending very soon. If you think you’re a good fit, apply. We’ll go from there.

1:07:34.4 Jordan Syatt: Go watch some Oz. Everyone try and become a mentalist. We’ll do it together. Well, I’ll read Michael. I’ll figure out Michael’s PIN code because he’s got a lot of money.

1:07:46.7 Mike Vacanti: See, that’s the kind of stuff that you do. What’s it called where people… There’s a term on the Internet where people accuse people of the thing that they are.

1:07:57.1 Jordan Syatt: I don’t know. What’s the term?

1:07:58.2 Mike Vacanti: It’s called projection.

1:07:59.7 Jordan Syatt: Well, listen, people need to stop projecting and start applying to the mentorship. That’s it. How do you become a personal trainer?

1:08:13.2 Mike Vacanti: We’ll be back next week. Have a great week. We’ll talk to you soon.

1:08:17.8 Jordan Syatt: See you.